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How many pre-test draws are normal?

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Posted: December 2, 2009, 5:01 pm - IP Logged

To me the worst thing is not how many pre-tests, post-tests, change of balls and machines they do, they could do a Million of them every-day and that would not help them any at all.

The real problem is that they have a way of knowing if they want to which or what combinations were bought way before the drawings, again another reason to want to play online, but not with the state lotteries.

Yes, a Billion pre-tests and another Billion post-tests would not matter as much as their being able to know in advance the combinations that were bought, this being mostly important for jackpot kind of games.

Now, if they don't really monitor which combinations were bought, then, the rest of whatever they do or might do does not matter at all so long as the drawings are not tampered with in some way, regular honest drawn pre and post tests are O.K.

As such things can be beat, as pointed out, all that really matters is the history of the winning numbers, no matter how many pre and post tests are being done, provided that everything is done in a honest way and that nothing is fixed or tampered with.

This is something I have wondered myself. It may sound paranoid, but is there any real way to prove that nothing is being rigged at all in these games? 

I mean, how could any of us truly be able to know whether or not our local state lotteries have computers setup that they turn to before each drawing, which comb through all the combinations purchased, and then display the combinations that were purchased the least, which ones weren't purchased at all, or better yet...determine the winning combination that would result in the most profit for the state and the least profit to the players?

For instance, my state lets you search through their database to see if "your combination" has ever won in the past. Would it really be that difficult to record all of the search queries that are entered each day and then make sure they do not hit?

On the other hand, lately the pick 5 game down here has had several drawings in November that produced 5 or more jackpot winners. And this pick 5 game runs every day. That somewhat calms my fears of being a sucker for playing, but that does not necessarily mean that they made any more or less money "by allowing" 5 - 8 players to all hit the jackpot.

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    Posted: December 2, 2009, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

    This just made me realize that if you want to work hard on a system to win the Pick5, Pick6 or Powerball you got to look at the pre-test drawings...Something that was right infront of me and i never paid it any attention...

    You know something else the state lottery can do which is SO SIMPLE and they dont have to track every combination that each player makes?Want to know what is it?

    They can simple change slightly the information that's on their website, slightly change the drawings that's on their website with that i dont care who you are in the world you will "NEVER WIN"....

    Again they treat us like hackers...

    This is something else i believe they can do...I believe they can have a "CLONED" DRAWINGS that they can automatically feed to their website with the press of a button...And i believe they can track a particular person whereabouts, like the links they check everywhere you go and if they know you are going to their particular website they can sort of hold your link for a couple of seconds and then introduce their "CLONED AND FAKE DRAWINGS" into their website it will only take a few seconds or microseconds and then when you go your computer goes slower they feed what they wanted YOU SPECIFICALLY to see and this way you alone have faked drawings...YOU WILL NEVER WIN....Remember they got phones that can automatically put you on hold....

    Again the lottery is a cartel...And yet you are paying your taxes and you are VOLUNTEERING TO DONATE YOUR DOLLAR...

    I've seen some discrepancies on their websites but i dont say a thing...

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      Posted: December 2, 2009, 8:16 pm - IP Logged

      While i do know lot about Garron plastics lottery machines and balls i don't know if their machines have replaceable tubes. If i remember correctly their fixed in place. I could be wrong as in the old days they might have been but i haven't inspected one in a while.... about 5 years ago i was at the Maryland state fair and they did a drawing there and you could get within three feet of them.

      Personally i don't care if they take the machines completely apart reassemble them with new or old components. If they take them out back and run over them with a truck and put any left over good pieces back together into how many ever machines they can salvage from the junk.

      What i care the most about is security and tampering. Like can a ball attendant weigh and somehow manage to mark certain special weighed balls during the weighing process and see that they get packaged as a special set of balls chosen to derive a certain outcome. Or just by fudging 7 out of ten balls on the heavy side and leaving 3 balls light all within weighing tolerance's if that can affect the out come of the drawing. Very similar to a card shark marking cards. And if that is possible can he/she do it enough times to make a killing off the lottery by having an outside partner bet his/her supposed winning numbers. It would be nothing for a person have someone buy 100 tickets for them at different stores reaping the rewards and moving on to the next time around.

      I don't care if they do a thousand pre tests i only are about the official drawing and what balls are drawn in the history of the game.

      You make good points. However, If they have nothing to hide, why not publish the the rotation of the tubes and pre-test results? Sounds reasonably fair to me.

      It'll never happen because I know their intentions. I don't care what anyone says. On just about every state's lottery website, you can find a ton of info about the draw numbers, and a lot of other info. How hard can it possibly be for them to add the pre-test and rotation info to the existing information? I'll answer the question for you. Not very hard at all !

      I don't buy it for a second.

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        Posted: December 5, 2009, 1:14 pm - IP Logged

        Speaking about pre-test in Texas. Winning number can be pulled from the pretest in Texas if they would only post  in time before draw break. Right now in Texas, it is 12:13 and draw break is 12:15 and no pre test posted.

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          Posted: December 12, 2009, 5:04 pm - IP Logged

          You make good points. However, If they have nothing to hide, why not publish the the rotation of the tubes and pre-test results? Sounds reasonably fair to me.

          It'll never happen because I know their intentions. I don't care what anyone says. On just about every state's lottery website, you can find a ton of info about the draw numbers, and a lot of other info. How hard can it possibly be for them to add the pre-test and rotation info to the existing information? I'll answer the question for you. Not very hard at all !

          I don't buy it for a second.

          Sorry it took so long to reply to this i was in the hospital for a little over a week.
           
          A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.
           
          Lotteries have data bases where the drawing info is kept Maryland lottery drawing excel file is up to line 11475 as of today. There are no cells in the data base that will hold the pre draws they would have to be kept on a separate file or if they were included in the excel file it would be painstaking to read or follow. Not to mention how huge the file would be now if they included all the pre drawing data. 
           
          Since the lottery considers the official drawing to be the one valid drawing that counts for all intensive purposes it's the only drawing that matters to them and most of the general public. The lottery doesn't care that a few people whom my be lottery enthusiast whom somehow feel they need to be privy to the pre draws. I'm sure some states might divulge that info. to people whom contact them but as for putting it on display like Texas does is probably solely at the discretion of the lottery director. I'm also sure if there were thousands of replies to them that they should divulge their pre draw test they might be coerced into supplying the general public with that information.
           
          Sometimes the only way to get someone to do what you are suggesting would be for some higher up to mediate with the lottery and see if they will change their policy and procedures.  
           
          Having said all this since they conduct the pre tests just prior to the official drawing what good is this information to you or anyone else since there wouldn't be enough time to act on said pre test draws to get to a store and play especially if some workout was involved. And if your intent is to use pre test draws for the next drawing how do you know the same balls will be in play and not a different set.
           
          Near as i can figure workouts are almost a waste of time on a persons part. Except for a few individuals whom might have the foresight to use the hot and cold numbers to try and win something in the next draw. Or people who track numbers by position hoping the cold numbers might come out.

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            Sorry it took so long to reply to this i was in the hospital for a little over a week.
             
            A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.
             
            Lotteries have data bases where the drawing info is kept Maryland lottery drawing excel file is up to line 11475 as of today. There are no cells in the data base that will hold the pre draws they would have to be kept on a separate file or if they were included in the excel file it would be painstaking to read or follow. Not to mention how huge the file would be now if they included all the pre drawing data. 
             
            Since the lottery considers the official drawing to be the one valid drawing that counts for all intensive purposes it's the only drawing that matters to them and most of the general public. The lottery doesn't care that a few people whom my be lottery enthusiast whom somehow feel they need to be privy to the pre draws. I'm sure some states might divulge that info. to people whom contact them but as for putting it on display like Texas does is probably solely at the discretion of the lottery director. I'm also sure if there were thousands of replies to them that they should divulge their pre draw test they might be coerced into supplying the general public with that information.
             
            Sometimes the only way to get someone to do what you are suggesting would be for some higher up to mediate with the lottery and see if they will change their policy and procedures.  
             
            Having said all this since they conduct the pre tests just prior to the official drawing what good is this information to you or anyone else since there wouldn't be enough time to act on said pre test draws to get to a store and play especially if some workout was involved. And if your intent is to use pre test draws for the next drawing how do you know the same balls will be in play and not a different set.
             
            Near as i can figure workouts are almost a waste of time on a persons part. Except for a few individuals whom might have the foresight to use the hot and cold numbers to try and win something in the next draw. Or people who track numbers by position hoping the cold numbers might come out.

             

            A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.

            Well maybe they shouldn't hide behind fancy "law' jargon and supposed contract obligations and just cut the crap. The people aren't stupid, well, atleast the astute ones.

            As far as the lottery data for pre-test draws and tube rotation being too big to contain, well.....write them down on paper with a pencil. That should take about....mmmmmmm.....45 seconds? I have a strange feeling an experienced site manager can easily insert that data somewhere on some page on the lottery site despite the difficult picture that you paint.

            You speak about how the pre-tests info wouldn't be useful to me because I wouldn't have enough time to go to the store. I know they won't do this, but they should do the pre-tests and the tube rotations about an hour prior to the actual draw. Wishful thinking I know. I actually win more often with tracking. But I have to have even more info. In fact, my motto has always been that if I knew all that info, my winning percentage would greatly increase.

               

             

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              I agree with you totally.  That is my thoughts exactly.  And I am steaming about this that I can't even express it.  I do workouts, spreadsheets, everything I can think of and this explains why its always a number off.Mad  You don't have a true statistic because you don't know what the actual follow up number was.  Now it seems like VA is not the same.

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                Exactly, my spreadsheet is heavily relying on stats and with the true results not being published all my stat work in no good.  The due number or most frequent number have probably hit in the fake draw.

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                  Posted: December 12, 2009, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

                   

                  A good argument could be made by the lottery is their procedures are their intellectual property and not to be disclosed. Since they admit to changing tubes and holding pre draws and after draws their admitting to the public that they conduct these things be in accordance with whatever by laws they have in their proprietary contract.

                  Well maybe they shouldn't hide behind fancy "law' jargon and supposed contract obligations and just cut the crap. The people aren't stupid, well, atleast the astute ones.

                  As far as the lottery data for pre-test draws and tube rotation being too big to contain, well.....write them down on paper with a pencil. That should take about....mmmmmmm.....45 seconds? I have a strange feeling an experienced site manager can easily insert that data somewhere on some page on the lottery site despite the difficult picture that you paint.

                  You speak about how the pre-tests info wouldn't be useful to me because I wouldn't have enough time to go to the store. I know they won't do this, but they should do the pre-tests and the tube rotations about an hour prior to the actual draw. Wishful thinking I know. I actually win more often with tracking. But I have to have even more info. In fact, my motto has always been that if I knew all that info, my winning percentage would greatly increase.

                     

                   

                  Then i suggest you get tight with someone that works for the lottery everybody knows somebody that knows somebody that works somewhere. Like where i get my numbers a representative comes to the place once or twice a month sometimes in the mornings sometimes in the afternoon and sometimes in the evening this lottery representative also visits every lottery retailer in our district. I make it a point to pump this person for all the inside info i can get when i am there when they are.

                  Who says they don't keep track of the pre test draws i said they are recorded they are cataloged for the auditor and they are filmed. They are on file and you can request the info you seek either by calling them or emailing them for that info.

                  Our local office is about 15 miles from my house if i was so inclined to be acquainted with a lottery personal i would hang out where they get breakfast lunch or dinner since most of them put in 12 hour shifts or more better than that i would go straight to the lottery claim center where the drawings are held and do the tour pump everybody that works there for every bit of info i could.

                  If you want your state lottery to do something to please you do something about it countering all my input won't solve anything.

                  They aren't going to change there procedures to please you by doing pre test draws far enough in advance to please you.

                  The person who updates the numbers on Md lottery website is the lowest paid job there. The person whom is the webmaster isn't in charge of inputing the numbers data he/she is in charge of the website in general for its graphics and features.

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                    Posted: December 13, 2009, 1:58 pm - IP Logged

                    Speaking about pre-test in Texas. Winning number can be pulled from the pretest in Texas if they would only post  in time before draw break. Right now in Texas, it is 12:13 and draw break is 12:15 and no pre test posted.

                    TX post the pretests at least 1 hour before the drawing. The last time I checked the site before a drawing the pretests were posted in advance. Anything less than 30 minutes is no good for me.