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A friend of mine has worked out a system on the lottery where by she has reduced the odds from nearly 14.000.000 to 1 down to 17.000 to 1,

That’s 822 times easer to win she has just finished working it out, she only plays a few lines at a time each play,

My question is this IS IT POSSAIBLE or is she lying to me, I have been on the internet and found no lotto system in the world that can do that please give me your comments on it thanks sally.


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    Hi Sally,

                  I hope you are keeping warm there in GB!

      Could you tell us what game it is, how many numbers are in play, the matching requirements, the exact number of combinations in the game?

    There are some players here that will be able to answer your question better with a little more info. Is your friend looking for sympathetic investors? Have you ever heard of Snake-Oil? If it works on paper every time BEFORE the draw, you may be on to something,.....Lep

    Cheers!

    DD

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      Such systems are called "conditional" meaning the odds are reduced when conditions are met and you lose when they are not, balances out.  

      There are also scam systems/pools that claim they reduce your odds, they do not. 

      Take a 6/49 game.  The odds are 13.9 million to 1 meaning if you buy one ticket of 6 numbers it is 1 chance in 13.9 million.

      However, if you make a 12 number wheel, the odds of 6/49 winning numbers falling among 12 rather then 6 is 1 in 1 in 15,134 a considerable difference and if your goal is to win a 4 number prize with 12 numbers in 6 lines it's not a bad way to go.   If you want to win a jackpot, the odds of matching all 6 winning numbers in one line among 12 is 1 in 924 which we call a FULL wheel.
      Multiply 924 x 15134 = 13,983,816 the odds of the game, nothing has changed except our position where we choose to play. 

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        She might be lying, or she might just be wrong. It all depends on what the "system" is, but one thing is sure: you can't change the odds of a random game of chance.

        Wheels are commonly suggested, so there's a good chance that  is what she's talking about, but wheels are pure BS. The logical conclusion to wheeling would be to play a "wheel" that includes only as many numbers are drawn, because then you are guaranteed to win, but only if those numbers are drawn. Notice that it's a big if, because the chances that it will happen are very slim. That  supposed improvement in the odds is offset by the much more likely chance that some other numbers will be drawn. The tradeoff of the "improved" odds if the conditions imposed by the wheel are met is the zero chance of winning if those conditions aren't met. In a random game of chance your odds are strictly a function of the odds of the game and how many chances you have.

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          A friend of mine has worked out a system on the lottery where by she has reduced the odds from nearly 14.000.000 to 1 down to 17.000 to 1,

          That’s 822 times easer to win she has just finished working it out, she only plays a few lines at a time each play,

          My question is this IS IT POSSAIBLE or is she lying to me, I have been on the internet and found no lotto system in the world that can do that please give me your comments on it thanks sally.

          Whether she buys 822 QPs or plays 822 combinations using her own numbers, she has 822 chances out of 13.9 million or 1 chance out of every 17,000 chances. If you look at it another way there are still 13,982,994 combinations she won't have.

          "she only plays a few lines at a time each play,"

          If she is playing less than 100 combos she certainly doesn't have 1 chance out of 17,000 and "a few lines" means 20 or less to most people. While it's true the odds can be reduced considerably by playing a smaller group of numbers, but it's still conditional on 6 of those numbers being drawn. And as Floyd pointed out, it's a mighty big "IF".

          I'm not knocking systems because any system only has to work once to win a multi-million jackpot, but the true odds are based on all the combinations and not on "IFs".

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            Posted: January 9, 2010, 10:40 am - IP Logged

            A friend of mine has worked out a system on the lottery where by she has reduced the odds from nearly 14.000.000 to 1 down to 17.000 to 1,

            That’s 822 times easer to win she has just finished working it out, she only plays a few lines at a time each play,

            My question is this IS IT POSSAIBLE or is she lying to me, I have been on the internet and found no lotto system in the world that can do that please give me your comments on it thanks sally.

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              A friend of mine has worked out a system on the lottery where by she has reduced the odds from nearly 14.000.000 to 1 down to 17.000 to 1,

              That’s 822 times easer to win she has just finished working it out, she only plays a few lines at a time each play,

              My question is this IS IT POSSAIBLE or is she lying to me, I have been on the internet and found no lotto system in the world that can do that please give me your comments on it thanks sally.

              Your friend may actually believe she has such a system and in that case she wouldn't be lying to you even if it not true.  If she has worked out such a system then she should be scoring small wins more often and possible a jackpot real soon. 

              It's not unusual for some lottery players  to have such thoughts especially if they have little or no knowledge of math.  I've even read ads of people on the Internet making similar claims trying to sell their systems to the gullible.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Your friend may actually believe she has such a system and in that case she wouldn't be lying to you even if it not true.  If she has worked out such a system then she should be scoring small wins more often and possible a jackpot real soon. 

                It's not unusual for some lottery players  to have such thoughts especially if they have little or no knowledge of math.  I've even read ads of people on the Internet making similar claims trying to sell their systems to the gullible.

                The game she plays on the lottery is 6/49 in Great Britain there are the odds every one in the country plays by

                 

                Match

                Estimated winΔ

                Approx odds (1 in x)

                6 main numbers (jackpot)

                £2,000,000

                13,983,816

                5 main numbers plus bonus ball

                £100,000

                2,330,636

                5 main numbers

                £1,500

                55,492

                4 main numbers

                £62

                1,033

                3 main numbers

                £10

                57

                 

                 

                 

                Here is her odds using her system below sorry I got her odds wrong this is what she gave me

                 

                Match

                Estimated winΔ

                Approx odds (1 in x)

                6 main numbers (jackpot)

                £2.000.000

                17.500

                5 main numbers plus bonus ball

                £100,000

                2916

                5 main numbers

                £1,500

                69

                 

                She has only used her system 6 times and she has won 3 times, last night she won on 5 main number couldn’t believe it she won around $3000 dollars she showed me the wining ticket she only plays around 8 line each times as she said that’s all as I need to play, still wont tell me on how she dose it, what she did say every number has a equal chance of coming out even if that number hasten come out in 50 play you can not disregard it, she has a funny hobby I think its funny anyway she likes working out mathematics complex puzzles she said I would never sell or show people how to do it that would be silly only a fool would do that

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                  yea shes prob telling the truth. buy an extra ticket you double your chance, ie half your odds. repeat untill the odds are 1 in 17k .

                  so

                  2 tickets 1 i 7 mill

                  4 tickets 1 in 3.5 mill

                  8 tickets 1 in 1.75 mill

                  16 tickets 1 in 870k

                  32 tickets 1 in 435k

                  64 tickets 1 in 220k

                   

                   

                  wow not quite the few lines she was talking about but that is  the general principle,.  then there is wheeling what she is prob doing, as bobp pointed out selkect 12 numbers and wheel those in 8 lines, if 6 come out in your 12 you guranteed a 4 line win.

                   

                  all i can think is she is lucky.

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                    yea shes prob telling the truth. buy an extra ticket you double yourchance, ie half your odds. repeat untill the odds are 1 in 17k .

                    so

                    2 tickets 1 i 7 mill

                    4 tickets 1 in 3.5 mill

                    8 tickets 1 in 1.75 mill

                    16 tickets 1 in 870k

                    32 tickets 1 in 435k

                    64 tickets 1 in 220k"

                    Well why stop there? Just get enought people to kick in enough money so you actually have the odds down to an even money bet, or better yet, go a few more bucks and put them in your favor!!!

                    Oh, that's right, "half your odds" is a fairy tale and the truth is each additional set of numbers played only reduces the possible combinations not played by one.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      yea shes prob telling the truth. buy an extra ticket you double yourchance, ie half your odds. repeat untill the odds are 1 in 17k .

                      so

                      2 tickets 1 i 7 mill

                      4 tickets 1 in 3.5 mill

                      8 tickets 1 in 1.75 mill

                      16 tickets 1 in 870k

                      32 tickets 1 in 435k

                      64 tickets 1 in 220k"

                      Well why stop there? Just get enought people to kick in enough money so you actually have the odds down to an even money bet, or better yet, go a few more bucks and put them in your favor!!!

                      Oh, that's right, "half your odds" is a fairy tale and the truth is each additional set of numbers played only reduces the possible combinations not played by one.

                      Oh, that's right, "half your odds" is a fairy tale and the truth is each additional set of numbers played only reduces the possible combinations not played by one.

                      That only true if you're talking about matching 6, if you're talking about matching 5 then you've covered an additional 6 combinations of fives and if you're talking about matching 4 then there a good chance you've covered an additional 15 combinations of fours.

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        She has only used her system 6 times and she has won 3 times, last night she won on 5 main number couldn’t believe it she won around $3000 dollars she showed me the wining ticket she only plays around 8 line each times as she said that’s all as I need to play, still wont tell me on how she dose it, what she did say every number has a equal chance of coming out even if that number hasten come out in 50 play you can not disregard it, she has a funny hobby I think its funny anyway she likes working out mathematics complex puzzles she said I would never sell or show people how to do it that would be silly only a fool would do that


                        Sounds like she has a winner.  Maybe someday you'll be able to say you have a friend who won a lottery jackpot.

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          The game she plays on the lottery is 6/49 in Great Britain there are the odds every one in the country plays by

                           

                          Match

                          Estimated winΔ

                          Approx odds (1 in x)

                          6 main numbers (jackpot)

                          £2,000,000

                          13,983,816

                          5 main numbers plus bonus ball

                          £100,000

                          2,330,636

                          5 main numbers

                          £1,500

                          55,492

                          4 main numbers

                          £62

                          1,033

                          3 main numbers

                          £10

                          57

                           

                           

                           

                          Here is her odds using her system below sorry I got her odds wrong this is what she gave me

                           

                          Match

                          Estimated winΔ

                          Approx odds (1 in x)

                          6 main numbers (jackpot)

                          £2.000.000

                          17.500

                          5 main numbers plus bonus ball

                          £100,000

                          2916

                          5 main numbers

                          £1,500

                          69

                           

                          She has only used her system 6 times and she has won 3 times, last night she won on 5 main number couldn’t believe it she won around $3000 dollars she showed me the wining ticket she only plays around 8 line each times as she said that’s all as I need to play, still wont tell me on how she dose it, what she did say every number has a equal chance of coming out even if that number hasten come out in 50 play you can not disregard it, she has a funny hobby I think its funny anyway she likes working out mathematics complex puzzles she said I would never sell or show people how to do it that would be silly only a fool would do that

                          Latest winning numbers for UK National Lotto HotPicks
                           Draw Date       Results
                          Sat, Jan 09, 2010      20-24-33-34-37-48
                          Wed, Jan 06, 2010    04-16-18-43-45-49
                          Sat, Jan 02, 2010      26-29-30-42-43-47
                          Wed, Dec 30, 2009    05-14-27-29-34-35
                          Sat, Dec 26, 2009      02-08-23-25-36-42
                          Wed, Dec 23, 2009    15-18-26-32-36-37
                          Sat, Dec 19, 2009      01-20-28-33-40-45
                          Wed, Dec 16, 2009    02-20-34-35-40-44
                          Sat, Dec 12, 2009      03-13-22-23-39-45
                          Wed, Dec 9, 2009      05-13-31-36-40-41

                          Possible I guess, but the question would be:

                          Just how often would she win if she played all 17,500 lines each draw.

                          Or How long would it take here to win once, if she played that many lines on each draw or after she played those line whenever she played them even if not on each draw, or How many times would she have to play 17,500 before she wins the jackpot.

                          Reduction is possible, but the more reduction the less the chance of winning.

                          At least, it is a 6/49 game, that by itself is a very big +

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                            RJOH,

                            The chart savagegoose posted was about cutting the odds of hitting 6 of 6 in half.

                            LANTERN,

                            Who plays 17,500 lines each draw? And as for how many times 17,500 lines would have to be played before winning a jackpot, the person would go broke in the attempt if they didn't hit right away.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              yea shes prob telling the truth. buy an extra ticket you double yourchance, ie half your odds. repeat untill the odds are 1 in 17k .

                              so

                              2 tickets 1 i 7 mill

                              4 tickets 1 in 3.5 mill

                              8 tickets 1 in 1.75 mill

                              16 tickets 1 in 870k

                              32 tickets 1 in 435k

                              64 tickets 1 in 220k"

                              Well why stop there? Just get enought people to kick in enough money so you actually have the odds down to an even money bet, or better yet, go a few more bucks and put them in your favor!!!

                              Oh, that's right, "half your odds" is a fairy tale and the truth is each additional set of numbers played only reduces the possible combinations not played by one.


                              There is a mid point where the odds improvement ratio goes into decline.

                              If you continue the progression you end with
                              13.9 tickets in 1 (chance to win) so in that sense it works.

                              BobP