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lottocalgal

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Jan 25, 2010, 9:57 pm

Okay, so I was just noticing something. States have their 5of 6 plus bonus games and the pick five ( or our Fantasy Five) games right? Okay, the 5/49 plus a bonus almost ALWAYS have 3 or 4 people win 5 without the bonus numbers. ,giving them a small share of around 20-30K, right?

Now, you take the Fantasy Five, which doesn't have a bonus number and only 39 numbers. There is almost always ONLY one winner that wins the 50 to 350K jackpot.

Can anyone explain why that is? to me, I would think with better odds, you would have more 5 of 5 winners for Fantasy. It is that kind of scenario that makes me wonder if the lottery outcome of games really are manipulated somehow. I have only seen multiple Fantasy Fiive winners when there is a large jackpot like 300-400K. I scratch my head and go Hmmmmm.

I hate to get all Conspiracy Theory about things but I wonder.
badboy00z

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Jan 25, 2010, 10:02 pm

3 people won the last F5 jackpot.
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Jan 25, 2010, 10:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by lottocalgal on Jan 25, 2010
Okay, so I was just noticing something. States have their 5of 6 plus bonus games and the pick five ( or our Fantasy Five) games right? Okay, the 5/49 plus a bonus almost ALWAYS have 3 or 4 people win 5 without the bonus numbers. ,giving them a small share of around 20-30K, right?

Now, you take the Fantasy Five, which doesn't have a bonus number and only 39 numbers. There is almost always ONLY one winner that wins the 50 to 350K jackpot.

Can anyone explain why that is? to me, I would think with better odds, you would have more 5 of 5 winners for Fantasy. It is that kind of scenario that makes me wonder if the lottery outcome of games really are manipulated somehow. I have only seen multiple Fantasy Fiive winners when there is a large jackpot like 300-400K. I scratch my head and go Hmmmmm.

I hate to get all Conspiracy Theory about things but I wonder.

lottocalgal, I have my suspicions!!!

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Coin Toss

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Jan 26, 2010, 12:21 am

lottocalgal,

Any 5 + 1 game is actually two lotteries in one, or a lottery parlay. If you get the 5 + 5 you still have to get the 1 of however many, and it ain't easy MCGee, as they say.

In the Pick 5, Illinois (5/39) has had a jackpot over over $1,000,000 a couple of times. I don't remember how many people hit when it was that high but I know one time it was a shared jackpot for sure.

The most I've ever seen share a Pick 5 jackot was 6.

I think the Pick 5 just doesn't get that much play in comparison because most players are chasing the largest jackpot they can go after.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.
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Jan 26, 2010, 3:53 am

If I could play the Cash 5(1-34) here in VA, which has a $100,000 top prize...I am sure I could win frequently...I had a set of numbers I wheeled and didn't play ofcourse coz no extra money...but one of my numbers came up...I was upset. C5 is played 2wice a day 7 days a week...the odds are on your side for sure if you know what you are doing.

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Jan 26, 2010, 4:26 am

Quote: Originally posted by jrosina on Jan 25, 2010
lottocalgal, I have my suspicions!!!

Me too. Some of the lotteries give *hints* that make one wonder if they're on the "up and up". I almost wonder in the 11-15 min between the time they stop selling tickets here, and actually get the numbers drawn, if they're not re-drawing, and matching them up with how many winners they want for a particular night/how much they want to pay out. I'm sure it would only take a computer program a few minutes, to figure it all out, and opt for the numbers with the least amount of winners.

It sounds crazy, I know, but it's not impossible.

Luck is ** believing ** you're lucky.” ~Tennessee Williams

Money is neither my god nor my devil. It is a form of energy that tends to make us more of who we already are, whether it's greedy or loving. ~ Dan Millman
lottocalgal

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Jan 26, 2010, 8:51 am

Quote: Originally posted by LadyMylena on Jan 26, 2010
Me too. Some of the lotteries give *hints* that make one wonder if they're on the "up and up". I almost wonder in the 11-15 min between the time they stop selling tickets here, and actually get the numbers drawn, if they're not re-drawing, and matching them up with how many winners they want for a particular night/how much they want to pay out. I'm sure it would only take a computer program a few minutes, to figure it all out, and opt for the numbers with the least amount of winners.

It sounds crazy, I know, but it's not impossible.

Thats what i think. If 3-4 ALWAYS get 5 numbers on a bonus game with 49 numbers, then why wouldnt that same amount get the jackpot in the Fantasy five non bonus game of 39 unless its manipulated at the last minute somehow. Odds are bad enough without a thumb on the scale as they say.
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Jan 26, 2010, 9:33 am

Thats why i quit playing keno , i think its a hidden cash cow . someone only wins the top prize once every 2 months. i track it every day and only a couple of people win the second top prize throughout the week.
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Jan 26, 2010, 9:52 am

We have take five in NY....if the jackpot is around the 90k or above range one winner will win the jackpot the winner is usually from queens, kings or new york county all are in NYC proper and or Long Island ....however if it is a smaller amount there are usually 3 to four winners from counties outside the NYC /Long Island area....go figure...same thing can be said about the MM jackpot winners...
lottocalgal

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Jan 26, 2010, 10:11 am

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jan 26, 2010
lottocalgal,

Any 5 + 1 game is actually two lotteries in one, or a lottery parlay. If you get the 5 + 5 you still have to get the 1 of however many, and it ain't easy MCGee, as they say.

In the Pick 5, Illinois (5/39) has had a jackpot over over $1,000,000 a couple of times. I don't remember how many people hit when it was that high but I know one time it was a shared jackpot for sure.

The most I've ever seen share a Pick 5 jackot was 6.

I think the Pick 5 just doesn't get that much play in comparison because most players are chasing the largest jackpot they can go after.

So if i understand you right Coin,

The reason why (still) only 1 person wins the Fantasy five jackpot is that there are fewer people playing that game as opposed to the Super?
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:18 am

If you think your being cheated then just don't play?..It's so simple just put your money in the bank rather then buying lotto tickets..
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:31 am

Quote: Originally posted by LadyMylena on Jan 26, 2010
Me too. Some of the lotteries give *hints* that make one wonder if they're on the "up and up". I almost wonder in the 11-15 min between the time they stop selling tickets here, and actually get the numbers drawn, if they're not re-drawing, and matching them up with how many winners they want for a particular night/how much they want to pay out. I'm sure it would only take a computer program a few minutes, to figure it all out, and opt for the numbers with the least amount of winners.

It sounds crazy, I know, but it's not impossible.

LadyM I am so with you on this!!! I am one who is always trying to show the scenario you just mentioned; it is more than Possible it is very, very Probable I wrote about it in my blog and received an answer, from Someone who simple said "What you are speaking about is Called get ready for this "Computerized Drawings"!!! It is not Crazy, it is a Business, the quicker we understand this the better we will know how to play this thing! Thank you LadyM for making me feel less nuts!

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jrosina

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Jan 26, 2010, 10:40 am

Quote: Originally posted by tiggs95 on Jan 26, 2010
If you think your being cheated then just don't play?..It's so simple just put your money in the bank rather then buying lotto tickets..

Tiggs95, you are partially right, but it is not that we should not play, but we should play with understanding, after all it is a business for the State they Can't lose money on this thing or it will stop been lucrative for them, It is a Business!! people get into Business to make money, So does the State!

forget what "they" say about you. What you say about you?...

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JAP69

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Jan 26, 2010, 10:50 am

"I have only seen multiple Fantasy Fiive winners when there is a large jackpot like 300-400K. I scratch my head and go Hmmmmm."

The smaller the jackpot the fewer players there are. As the jackpot gets higher more people purchase tickets. The more tickets sold the higher the possibility of multiple winners.

I have seen it mentioned many times here at lottery post that players only purchase tickets when the jackpot gets higher.

Numbers are where you find them.
jrosina

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Jan 26, 2010, 11:09 am

Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Jan 26, 2010
"I have only seen multiple Fantasy Fiive winners when there is a large jackpot like 300-400K. I scratch my head and go Hmmmmm."

The smaller the jackpot the fewer players there are. As the jackpot gets higher more people purchase tickets. The more tickets sold the higher the possibility of multiple winners.

I have seen it mentioned many times here at lottery post that players only purchase tickets when the jackpot gets higher.

Exactly!! and the more players? more money for the state! This is a Business!!

forget what "they" say about you. What you say about you?...

Now, does it count??

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