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Poll: Jinxing yourself?

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Is posting that you're going to win a jinx?

I think so, that's why I don't do it [ 5 ]  [14.71%]
92,249 members and it hasn't worked yet! [ 5 ]  [14.71%]
Same as announcing a pitcher has a no hitter going [ 2 ]  [5.88%]
Jinx, doorknob [ 2 ]  [5.88%]
I do it to make it happen [ 5 ]  [14.71%]
I say it and other people win, dang [ 5 ]  [14.71%]
It's my hukka. [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
The voices tell me to [ 2 ]  [5.88%]
My supervisor at the lotto tells me to [ 1 ]  [2.94%]
Other [ 7 ]  [20.59%]
Total Valid Votes [ 34 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 4 ]  
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Zeta Reticuli Star System
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Posted: June 4, 2010, 6:15 pm - IP Logged

RJOH,

The flip side of that would be what kind of insight who those who boast of a win have?

Delta Draw,

From a thread about four years ago. once again, please explain to me if these examples are not luck, what are they?

From the book Infinite Financial Freedom
What To Do Before And After You Win The Lottery
Rob Sanford CFP
pp 22-23

Some of the more unusal ways that multi-million dollar winners have reporedly picled their winning numbers include using these:

A dart board's numbers hit by thowing darts;

A camera's serial number;

The rural route number on the commute to buy the wining ticket;

The serial number from a social Security check;


Prayers answered in a prayer garden;

Dream visits from a deceased grandfather;

The lot number on a box of doughnuts bought while waiting in line to buy the winning ticket.

http://www.lotterypost.com/topic/132672

No matter what the method of picking numbers is, anything from complicated formulas or suppossed systems to quick picks, the fact that those numbers are drawn on any given night and someone played them for that very drawing is just flat out luck, end of story.

And when someone plays a set of numbers for weeks, months, or years, skips a drawing and they hit, that too is luck, bad luck in that case, but luck.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: June 4, 2010, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

    Then this guy is very lucky...

    http://www.valottery.com/news/press_article.asp?dismode=article&artid=2795#article


    North Carolina Man Wins $90,800 In Pick 4 Drawing – His Fourth Big Win!

    June 3, 2010

    HE BUYS 20 TICKETS FOR ONE DRAWING AND THEY ALL WIN

    “It’s been a good number for me.”

    That remark by Steven Granger of Henderson, North Carolina, may be the understatement of the year. 


    He selected the number combination 5-1-1-7 on 20 tickets in the Virginia Lottery’s May 22 Pick 4 day drawing. They all won. Each of his “exact order” tickets won $5,000 and each of the “50/50” tickets won $2,700, for a grand total of $90,800. 

    That would be amazing enough, but it’s only part of the story. Even more astonishing is the fact that Mr. Granger has done this twice before in Pick 4 and once in Cash 5. On April 12, 2009, he won $90,800 when 5-1-1-7 was drawn and on May 10, 2009, he won $65,800 with that same combination. On September 28, 2005, he won $900,000 with nine winning Cash 5 tickets.

    “I just play for fun,” he said as he claimed his latest prize. “It’s kind of a hobby. I’ve been really lucky.”

    However, now he has a problem. He’s running out of wall space to hang all of the over-sized winner checks he has collected from the Virginia Lottery.

    Mr. Granger, who works in real estate, bought all of his winning tickets at his favorite store: Bracey Mini Mart, 3230 Highway 903 in Bracey, Virginia.

     



    What?

    $1,000,000

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      Posted: June 4, 2010, 7:49 pm - IP Logged

      I wish that was me. I'll glad to win CA lottery or Mega Million jackpot just once. It doesn't matter to me the price is small like 11 or 14 million.

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        Posted: June 4, 2010, 7:57 pm - IP Logged

        Raven is not only deep but aslo has a sense of humor..tiggs likes that in a person..Carry on...

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          Posted: June 4, 2010, 8:38 pm - IP Logged

          Just clicking on the thread about jinxing has just jinxed me I can feel it,  I held off but the Jinx was too strong I had to do it.............................. I had to click on THE JINX THREAD!

           Bob and me!

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            Posted: June 4, 2010, 8:53 pm - IP Logged

            Jarasan,
            If you don't win a lottery jackpot the next time you play, at least you'll know why.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
                         Evil Looking       


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              Posted: June 4, 2010, 8:57 pm - IP Logged

              Just clicking on the thread about jinxing has just jinxed me I can feel it,  I held off but the Jinx was too strong I had to do it.............................. I had to click on THE JINX THREAD!

               Bob and me!


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                Just clicking on the thread about jinxing has just jinxed me I can feel it,  I held off but the Jinx was too strong I had to do it.............................. I had to click on THE JINX THREAD!

                 Bob and me!

                I hope by responding to you, I didn't get the cooties....lol

                It's OK, I have plenty of anti-bacterial glycerin.....lol

                 

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                  Posted: June 4, 2010, 11:49 pm - IP Logged

                  jarasan,

                  No, this is just a poll about jinxing oneself. The jinx started with the Ouija Ho-Tai!

                  Scared

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                    Hey Cointoss, there are many situations where something is at work that is unseen that gets defined with a variety of superstitious beliefs. And it can be very convincing from the facts that there is something at play. Charms of any kind or an idol has counterfeit spiritual powers behind it. People can too. The counterfeit can only be exposed when you know the real deal. From a rationalist’s point of view there is no such external trigger that makes one lucky or unlucky. They miss the mark. This is beyond the scope of this thread . Dumb idols do not deliver much more beyond a tease, but there are exceptions when publicity will be good to draw more into the haze (win converts).

                    One belief system better than another? I think so and I guard my thinking accordingly.

                    There is more. A game of chance will fail when it is a game of skill.

                    I am sure there are many gamblers in casinos who have a superstition to follow and believe in for the win. As you may well know, many times it is a come-on tease and fails the player. Anyone who can make a game of chance stand on it’s head and turn it into a game of skill would not be welcome. The house knows some will win more and frequently in the course of time. It is a simple thing to define it as luck because the numbers are in the favor of the house and the house knows a turn-around is due. Ego does drive the superstitious and the casino environment is a frenzy at best. People believe in their systems and method of play to win. The house does too. Only one can take it to the bank on a regular basis. A good player will know when it is time to quit when the turn-around is due unless they have a real advantage.

                    The fact that an event is unlikely does not make it improbable.

                    If you understand the punch Ali threw that nobody saw, you would have a good grasp at the hidden elements at play. The skill that assisted him was unseen but can be understood. A lucky punch? Every camera angle could not see it. Look at the results and Ali is a mess unless he talks about his beliefs. Who was using who?

                    DD

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                      Delta Draw,

                      In the post above you mention taking a game of chance into a skill......you just provced my point about casinos being as much in the ego business as anything else.

                      The onoly game I recall being taken out of the casinos, other than those that were experimental, was Faro. Except for the last few cards at the end of the game Faro had no house edge, that's why they dropped it.

                      The late Bob Stupak invited card counters to come play at his casino because he believed that if there were two cards left to be dealt and one was a King and the other a six, only God knew which one was coming out first.

                      Peole love to play Carribbean Stud and it's one of the worst games there is. What are the odds of being dealt a royal flush? What's the progressive meter jackpot? Yet they consider themselves "skilled" at the game.

                      So tell me which games of chance have failed and been taken out of the casinos.

                      Some years ago a California case determined poker as a game of skill because over the course of some hours of play everyone would be dealt good and bad hands and it's how they played them that won or lost.

                      So casinos have poker rooms, the players play against each other, and the joint rakes the pot.

                      Casinos know that the player who thinks they are turning a game of chance into skill is a real good player for the house so keep sending them invitations.

                      Those who get lucky and won't admit it was luck are the ones with the biggest egos.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                        Okay, I agree with the ego thing on both sides of the table. I do not recall saying games were taken out of the casinos or state lotteries for that matter, but now that you mention it,…

                        “So tell me which games of chance have failed and been taken out of the casinos.”

                        Let’s start with roulette. We now have 00. The game did not literally get taken out because it still bears the same name, but the same could be said for a one deck Blackjack shoe that is commonly a shoe of six decks. They just changed the game, not the name. Same for early state lotteries that went from maybe 42 numbers to 49. How about the state keno games that now have two computers to select the digits? Same game but somehow there was a reason to make ‘random’ even more random. Yep, the games have the same names but they are NOT the same game as far as odds go. Why does the house wish to insure it’s win over the players in these games? Because systems work. So that is the game of skill that makes the house fail and in order to counter that, they upped the odds. You of all people should know that. Luck has nothing to do with those decisions to up the odds and the results they get. To define every win as luck only promotes the myth that there is nothing one can do to improve their odds. The casinos have a different take, at least the Top thinkers do.

                        Ten minute keno games in states went to every five then four minutes.

                        I really kills the systems players who place bets game to game because there is no time to do the W/O, make betslips and get them printed. Same game but it cannot be played the way a systems player wants to play, as it once was. I think greed is a bigger factor than ego. Ohio's new keno game is right out of the shoot a four minute game and the state is taking it in the A$$ because the projected returns are not there. They would have better returns at a ten minute game because there is a limit on the clerks printing betslips and if you ever played game to game and did not have time to make the bet, you would know what I mean.

                        respectfully,

                        DD

                        PS I do not recall any of the two state lotteries near me announcing that they are upping the odds and changing the game when they did it repeatedly.


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                          More,...LOL

                           

                          Luck, good or bad is a flagrant violation of reality. You believe in luck. You are superstitious. You post polls to find out who will side with you and support you in your belief(s). I selected ‘other’.

                          You are convinced that your belief is sound though it is at the whim of fate and out if anyone’s control. It is.

                          Lucky stars makes your poop green and anyone born under it has green poop on them.

                          It is inferred that it is a bad fortune to express a positive in respect to games of chance and winning: The Jinx. Further, any action taken by a contestant to improve their chances of winning is also considered as the result luck by your beliefs. ( You still work for the house?)

                          For systematic players, the concept of luck is replaced with an understanding of the game and they try and apply methods to improve their chances of winning. Casinos and State lotteries have historically changed the games to inhibit systematic play and maximize profits. At the pinnacle of the industry are educated people who rely on facts to achieve designed profits. They know luck cannot be formulated, measured and defined in light of the facts. Those facts are based on statistical projections that only betray them when systematic players win beyond an expectd normal range of events. They modify the game to inhibit systematic play and maintain designed profits. Luck is promoted as a tool for players and is used in a very effective marketing campaign because most players will ignore the odds and chances of winning in a hopeful, daydreaming fashion. State lotteries are required by law to publish the odds while the equipment and process of gaming is held as a proprietary aspect of the State.

                          Lucky Stars is formulated with food dyes to make your poop, Lucky green. Every time.

                          Cause and effect,….

                          DD

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                            Posted: June 6, 2010, 9:50 am - IP Logged

                            Delta Draw,

                            Games change, yes....there's a rule in casinos if something comes up that hasn't happened before, and the rule is, If it's to the advantage of the house it's OK."

                            Can a shooter on a dice table who is shooting from the Don't pick up his bet before the point is made or a 7-Out? In some Vegas casinos they will let them, once. The reasoning is since they were on the Don't and got past the come out roll, sure let them pick up their bet.

                            Thorp's book, Beat the Dealer, did more for increasing blackjack revenue for the casinos than anything else at the time. Card coiunting starteds with a very bored guy in prison. And don't forget, most people aren't as good as it as they imagine themselves and the casinos also send their floorpeople to school for it.

                            I asked what games have been taken out to make the point that the players aren't so "skilled" or good enough to beat them coinsistently.

                            You know those player cards casinos like to get people to sigh up for? They are to track people's play. In slots the card is just inserted into the machine. On table games they just get the player's name and acct. # and the players are rated on two things, lenght of play and average bet. No knowledge of the game or the odds or any such thing, just length of play and average bet.

                            Then it's all converted into points. So when a "good" (in their mind) player asks for a comp they maight hear something like, "I'm sorry Mr. B. It says here that you're average bet is $3 and you play for about 20 minutes. I can't comp you to the steakhouse but I can send you to the coffee shop."

                            Since you've mentioned turning games of chance to skill, and since we're talking lottery, no, no way. Hitting a jackpot is pure blind luck and nothing else whatsoever.

                            And like I said previoulsy, those who won't admit it was luck have the biggest egos.

                            Tell you what, you go watch a couple of million hands of cars or rolls of the dice and see who wins and lolses and see if you feel the same way about luck after that.

                            As far as putting up polls goes, I start threads and put up polls on various topics for variety. This one was triggered by people saying "Im going to win the _ _ -_ _ _  tnoight" which as we know has just not happened. And the polls I post have options for both sides of the question. At least they trigger some discussions. If the polls  bother you you don't have to vote or reply.

                            Good Luck DD

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                              So you don’t like it when someone says they are going to win? What do you do? Go around telling yourself you are going to lose? Is it unhealthy for a kid to WANT to win at a game or do you coach him to talk like a loser? All this was about was to bang someone over the head who had the kahunas to say they not only want to win but will? Even against all odds? Man, you got some screwed up thinking. What are you a quick-pick witchdoctor?

                               

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luck

                              Sorry but your ego idea and luck is not listed. If you believe it, then it is a truth for you. If it is an absolute then I am sure there are many people who believe it, but that belief is totally on faith and is  not documentable and based on unscientific observations(who-do). If you don’t like your polls based on who-do challenged, then don’t post them. You want to promote your belief and influence the minds of people with superstitions and I say it is BS. You cannot even see that casinos do dump games but not the names. You even point out that one card game has terrible odds but is relatively new and popular. Trust me, the popularity has nothing to do with the odds. I on the other hand, explained more on the skill and art of believing that can be applied in every aspect of living than most will ever come to understand throughout their whole life.

                              If luck is your faith, so be it. I think is your right, but to pollute minds with spiritualism beliefs is wrong in my book. I don’t really care what your five senses tell you that convince you luck is something to live by. You say that to deny luck in a win is the product of a big ego. I say to hold fast to superstitions in light of their being exposed for what they are (failing and false beliefs) is the height of ego.  Especially when having been taught otherwise.Sleep

                               Stupid is as stupid does. Observed experience is no guarantee for truth. Luck appeals to simple minds that like simple superstitions to live by,.. anything requiring skill is much harde,r so most gravitate to having a weak mind. You don’t get the law and principle of believing and like the man said,… don’t cast you peals before swine.

                              BTW, how’s your luck holding up?

                              DD