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Determination versus Free Will

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If you believe, as this writer does, that everything is determined, how does this apply to lotto?

Determination is false, but I had to choose this! [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
I don't believe everything is determined [ 11 ]  [47.83%]
Free will, also believe I'll never hit jackpot [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
This is a stupid philosophy question [ 4 ]  [17.39%]
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Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level?!

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    Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level?!

    One Word: Greed!

    Greed: An excessive, selfish desire to have or acquire Wealth.

    Avarice: Passion for acquiring and hoarding riches; Wealth.

    Avaricious: Driven to gain Wealth.

    A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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      Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level?!

      Forest Gump says life is like a box of chocolates and you never know what your going to get.Smiley

       HyperBe Happy.

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        Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level?!

        When contemplating Philosophy, it is good to remember that it is always darkest just before the dawn.

        And that's the best time to steal your neighbor's newspaper.


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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          When contemplating Philosophy, it is good to remember that it is always darkest just before the dawn.

          And that's the best time to steal your neighbor's newspaper.

          and twilight is the loneliest time of day.

           HyperBe Happy.

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            but what if there is a multi verse, a new universe where ever you make a descision there is another you that makes the opositise, descision?

            could there be a universe where you always pick the correct lotto numbers, ea week?

            why doesnt he drop by and shout me a few beers sometime?

            2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016  = -1171; 2017 = ?  TOT =  -3596

            keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= -424; 2017 = ? TOT = - 3318

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              Philosophy is said to undergird the way we think. Philosophy has developed to teach us how to think better, more clearly. Philosophy, in one definition is considered one rolling argument. So philosophy and lotto (gambling) must be tied together at a very deep level?!

              There aren't enough choices in this poll. what about these?

              I believe in Determination and I think I'm destined to win big some day

              or

              I believe in Determination and I think it is my fate to never win big but spending $4 a week on lotto tickets is cheaper than going to the movies and it's alot more entertaining.

              Read this article http://www.lotterypost.com/news/221072

              It's about Garina Fearon, a prison guard who won 54 million dollars as a result of buying the WRONG ticket. She meant to play Powerball not Mega Millions.

              You tell me if you think this big win was the result of her free will or it was her destiny (predetermined).

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                and twilight is the loneliest time of day.

                And one is the lonliest number that you'll ever do.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

                "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                            --Edmund Burke

                 

                 

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                  Posted: September 29, 2010, 12:33 pm - IP Logged

                  If every action taken has been predetermined, I think I'll just go ahead and pour a stiff one without recalcitration.

                  For who am I to challenge destiny?


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                    Posted: September 29, 2010, 1:52 pm - IP Logged

                    and twilight is the loneliest time of day.

                    Twilight sucks. LOL

                    As to the question...what about intention...remember the lady from Cal who won $112 Mil because she believed she attracted it?

                    $1,000,000

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                      There aren't enough choices in this poll. what about these?

                      I believe in Determination and I think I'm destined to win big some day

                      or

                      I believe in Determination and I think it is my fate to never win big but spending $4 a week on lotto tickets is cheaper than going to the movies and it's alot more entertaining.

                      Read this article http://www.lotterypost.com/news/221072

                      It's about Garina Fearon, a prison guard who won 54 million dollars as a result of buying the WRONG ticket. She meant to play Powerball not Mega Millions.

                      You tell me if you think this big win was the result of her free will or it was her destiny (predetermined).

                      Also look at how many other winners win in such ways. The main ones I think of is where the people buy the "mistake" tickets or where someone forgot their slip with their numbers so they do QP.

                       

                      Of course I've had an instance of a buying a "mistake" ticket and it didn't match more than one number.

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                        Posted: September 29, 2010, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

                        Interesting choice of words for the poll question as the usual argument is predestination vs free will, but that of course smacks of religious overtones, John Calvin, and five pointers.

                        The way the title of the thread was worded I took it to mean people who are themselves determined to win, not whom fate has determined will win.

                        Some say we have to believe in free will, it's our destiny!

                        Personally I think there are a lot of forks in the road that we either take or don't take. An example would be someone is in a rush on the way out of a store. They intended to stop and buy a scratcher but passed it up for whatever reason. The next person to buy one wins a big prize. What was predestined was that whatever person bought that next scratcher would win, not necessarily who that person would be.

                        Another example who who gets the fortune cookie with the winning numbers!

                        All that taken into consideration, it's still a real good idea not to get the Lottery Fairy mad at you.

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                          If every action taken has been predetermined, I think I'll just go ahead and pour a stiff one without recalcitration.

                          For who am I to challenge destiny?

                          Agreed.

                          If everything is predetermined, free will goes right out the window.

                          Predestiny and free will are complicated issues, that in my opinion cancel each other out. 

                          Personally, I don't believe in predetermination/predestiny, as it destroys any meaningful purpose in our lives. I'd like to think that I am soley responsible for my actions. If everything is predestined, then why bother worrying about any consequences for my actions?

                          Bottom line, Quantum theory is for me, the best solution. Active participation in events is the only way to make only ONE choice a reality, out of the outcomes that exist in the endless soup of possibilities.

                          Without an observer, there would be nothing to observe, therefore, life, and the universe that contains it would not exist.

                          Even If you decide on a QP, you still made a choice.

                           

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                            it sure is a comforting place to be in life where i am going to only pursue something based in foreknowledge of the event.

                            in that vein, i am "predestined" if i am right about it.

                            but,  i have still have free will to stay the course and flesh it out, or,   i can pull up short and take a complete detour in the opposite direction,  thereby cancelling out what would have been,  had i stayed the course despite challenges or lengths of time.

                            i like anyone else "guess" at various forks in the road,  and take which fork seems right at that moment.

                            however,  there are instances in my life,  that i know factually what will happen to me future tense,  and i set my choices based on that,  and see it thru to it's conclusion.

                            on the big ticket items of life,  with so much attached to it,  the last thing i want to do is throw a guess at it,  and potentially waste a truckload of time.

                            efficientcy not only saves time,  it keeps one out of  emotional bankruptcy court.

                             

                            once i know the end result, i am determined by my free will to cross the finish line

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                              Posted: September 29, 2010, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                              When contemplating Philosophy, it is good to remember that it is always darkest just before the dawn.

                              And that's the best time to steal your neighbor's newspaper.

                              If it's always darkest just before dawn then I feel I will win the Super Lotto tonight. My life has been really crappy lately...