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Determination versus Free Will

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If you believe, as this writer does, that everything is determined, how does this apply to lotto?

Determination is false, but I had to choose this! [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
I don't believe everything is determined [ 11 ]  [47.83%]
Free will, also believe I'll never hit jackpot [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
This is a stupid philosophy question [ 4 ]  [17.39%]
This is a smart philosophy question [ 2 ]  [8.70%]
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Posted: September 29, 2010, 9:39 pm - IP Logged

If it's always darkest just before dawn then I feel I will win the Super Lotto tonight. My life has been really crappy lately...

If that's the case, I hope you win badboy00z.

I'll catch the next one.


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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    Posted: September 29, 2010, 10:17 pm - IP Logged

    ...how does it apply to lotto?...it don't...next question..


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      Posted: September 29, 2010, 11:42 pm - IP Logged

      ...how does it apply to lotto?...it don't...next question..

      Just like in life, we have to make decisions, and that goes with Lotto.

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        Posted: September 30, 2010, 9:14 am - IP Logged

        If it's always darkest just before dawn then I feel I will win the Super Lotto tonight. My life has been really crappy lately...

        I feel your pain. I have been out of work for a year, have had health problems and have been turned away from every job I have applied for. Seriously I don't even want to win the jackpot...all I need is $1,000,000. Yes Nod

        Hope for the best for you badboy00z Thumbs Up

        $1,000,000

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          I feel your pain. I have been out of work for a year, have had health problems and have been turned away from every job I have applied for. Seriously I don't even want to win the jackpot...all I need is $1,000,000. Yes Nod

          Hope for the best for you badboy00z Thumbs Up

          And the best for you as well.

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            I believe in destiny

            If you're destined to be wealthy at some point in your life, nothing will stop you

            and if you're not, even if you win the jackpot, it just won't happen..

            but people would like to think that they are in control, hence the idea of being in charge of your destiny...

            You are given a share of fortune as you enter this realm and you do have choices, for instance the choice of 'What you Do with what you're given' but some other things are not among your choices and yes they are Predetermined

            ..lets say that's my opinion..

             


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              If I understd. the multiverse idea, then it must be the case that there are an infinite number of universes, and in these infinite number, you have won an infinite number of times, Sun Smiley and an infinite number of wins in a row Hyper, as well as loses Sad. At least this is how I think multiverse theory has to readThud.

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                Posted: October 2, 2010, 10:13 pm - IP Logged

                I feel your pain. I have been out of work for a year, have had health problems and have been turned away from every job I have applied for. Seriously I don't even want to win the jackpot...all I need is $1,000,000. Yes Nod

                Hope for the best for you badboy00z Thumbs Up

                Heh, How can you feel my pain No Pity!, this violates the 1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind Stooges, but I have also been dead for all these yrs.Dead

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                  Posted: October 2, 2010, 10:15 pm - IP Logged

                  but what if there is a multi verse, a new universe where ever you make a descision there is another you that makes the opositise, descision?

                  could there be a universe where you always pick the correct lotto numbers, ea week?

                  why doesnt he drop by and shout me a few beers sometime?

                  If I understd. the multiverse idea, then it must be the case that there are an infinite number of universes, and in these infinite number, you have won an infinite number of times,  Sun Smiley and an infinite number of wins in a row  Hyper, as well as loses  Sad. At least this is how I think multiverse theory has to readThud.

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                    Posted: October 2, 2010, 10:17 pm - IP Logged

                    If that's the case, I hope you win badboy00z.

                    I'll catch the next one.

                    h, you remind me of a guy I knew last century, about 175 yrs agoWhite Bounce  when I was younger - I think the guy's name was Chuck Somethin  Thinking of...- ah that's it Chuck Darwin, luved the guy  Thumbs Up he was kind of on the bright side. Don't know if he is talked about anymoreI Agree!

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                      Posted: October 2, 2010, 10:29 pm - IP Logged

                      There aren't enough choices in this poll. what about these?

                      I believe in Determination and I think I'm destined to win big some day

                      or

                      I believe in Determination and I think it is my fate to never win big but spending $4 a week on lotto tickets is cheaper than going to the movies and it's alot more entertaining.

                      Read this article http://www.lotterypost.com/news/221072

                      It's about Garina Fearon, a prison guard who won 54 million dollars as a result of buying the WRONG ticket. She meant to play Powerball not Mega Millions.

                      You tell me if you think this big win was the result of her free will or it was her destiny (predetermined).

                      Completely determinedI Agree!. If she bought the wrong ticket, she would have lost  Frown, right  I Agree!, but she bought the right one, right  I Agree! and won  LurkingCase closed  I Agree!. Indeed there was never a question . And BTW, THX for mentioning my niece Ms. Fearson   BananaBSto me. It is about time she got to know her long lost poor uncle BS

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                        Heh, How can you feel my pain No Pity!, this violates the 1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind Stooges, but I have also been dead for all these yrs.Dead

                        I'm going out on the limb and assume he doesn't give a rat's bottom about violating any "1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind" It is an arbitrary dichotomy in the first place.

                        Someone would have to be a total sociopath to not have the capacity to empathize with another person's pain. The necessary conclusion of choosing to adopt the subject vs object dichotomy is ultimately, solipsism.

                        Once you choose to adopt this dichotomy you can never prove the existance of an external world or even the existance of other minds. You become the one and only consciousness in a world you can never prove isn't the matrix. Other people stop becoming living breathing human beings and are reduced to virtual reality AI.

                        The ethical and moral implacations of this are devastating. If you can not prove the existance of other minds other than your own, what stops you from kidnapping a person and torturing them for hours? That person isn't real anyway it would just be a virtual reality AI.

                        If you're really interested in philosophy you ought to consider that the subject vs object dichotomy is a false dichotomy.

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                          I'm going out on the limb and assume he doesn't give a rat's bottom about violating any "1st vs 3rd person gap in the philosophy of mind" It is an arbitrary dichotomy in the first place.

                          Someone would have to be a total sociopath to not have the capacity to empathize with another person's pain. The necessary conclusion of choosing to adopt the subject vs object dichotomy is ultimately, solipsism.

                          Once you choose to adopt this dichotomy you can never prove the existance of an external world or even the existance of other minds. You become the one and only consciousness in a world you can never prove isn't the matrix. Other people stop becoming living breathing human beings and are reduced to virtual reality AI.

                          The ethical and moral implacations of this are devastating. If you can not prove the existance of other minds other than your own, what stops you from kidnapping a person and torturing them for hours? That person isn't real anyway it would just be a virtual reality AI.

                          If you're really interested in philosophy you ought to consider that the subject vs object dichotomy is a false dichotomy.

                          You seem to disclaim any import for 1st person vs 3rd person difference, and yet you privilege just this position in your first paragraph.

                          "I'm going out ... and assume he..." Bash.

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                            Posted: October 3, 2010, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

                            I voted 'this is a smart philosophy question".  If we live in a quantum universe then there are infinite possibilities at every moment.  In that case, free will logically wins out.  There can be no determination with infinite possibilities.

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                              I voted 'this is a smart philosophy question".  If we live in a quantum universe then there are infinite possibilities at every moment.  In that case, free will logically wins out.  There can be no determination with infinite possibilities.

                              But in a quantum world, the quantum event is a will independent event. Sometimes universes just happen Disapprove, now and then (whatever now and then means) they pop into existence Lurkingand sometimes they don't. And therefore and thereby, in a quantum world the answer is both no and yes Thumbs Up (no? What?)