Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 3, 2011, 11:37 pm - IP Logged

The last three games all contain 40 to 44 balls in the set. As you can see NJ and PA fall below the 80% floor, while surprisingly AZ remains above. Again the colors remain the same for all charts. If a color is missing in a chart, it means that pattern didn't make the top 25. The reason some patterns are not colored: Colors were used to ensure at least the top 5 in every chart was compared among all other charts. Additionally, any pattern that had more than 200 hits in any chart was colored......oh, don't forget to ask for a quick pick with a 0 (zero) in the front digit pattern.

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 3:33 am - IP Logged

Looking for lottery numbers is a lot like buying soap. You can get so involved in the comparison process, you forget what you're looking for. With soap, it's the ads, slogans, price per pack, price per bar, price per ounce; somebody out there has already determined the price per bubble depending on water temperature.

Same with numbers. Hot, cold, hi/lo, even/odd, due/overdue, repeats, followers, leaders and wallflowers. We know making simple things complicated is easy. I'm a pro at it.

All those little charts are nice and tell a part of the story. We can see that this pattern comes out more than that pattern and that's all well and good. I have no doubt that the top patterns wil continue to produce as they have.

A front five digit pattern is pretty much set in stone. But as the chart below shows even the 5 digit patterns that produce the most hits tend to stay out a long time. This is based on Texas data. Would it be better to use 3 or 4 digit patterns and add an addtional digit or two on our own? Maybe.

Chart below shows the set, longest the set has stayed out, how long it is currently out, and the number of hits. *83 is the lowest total for longest out. That doesn't mean it stays out that long consistently, just that it has been out that long.

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 4:12 am - IP Logged

So what about three or four digits? Would using those improve the possibility of a hit? A couple of points are interesting here. Using a five digit set, there is only one possible position each can fall in. Using a smaller pattern we now have more positions availabe for a hit. If we use 2 digits, they can fall in first and second, 2 & 3, 3 & 4, or 4 & 5.

Three digits can fall in 1, 2, 3, or 2, 3, 4, or 3, 4, 5. Four digits either 1, 2, 3, 4 or 2, 3, 4, 5.

Sounds a bit cracked until you consider 1) in a 5/39 you aren't going to have more than 4 different digits in the front set of any draw and 2) the most common front digit pattern contains 3 different digits. The chart in the last post shows the top 4 patterns contain all 4 digits, but the 15 that follows contain only 3. By focusing on 3 or four digits, we allow ourselves room to add a digit or two of out choice.

But which is better? Focusing on 3 or four?

The following chart is a comparison of the two. In each case, you can see that focusing on smaller sets increase the possibility of a hit, while lowering the longest out odds. I'm hoping this will prove true in the back digits as well. I'll post those results later today.

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 12:57 pm - IP Logged

Good Morning RL!

Any help appreciated ALWAYS! We're all in the same boat.

Some days my end seems to be sinking. That's when the fun really starts though. No complaints. I've been meaning to rewrite the tracking program so you and Steve made that happen. Along the way I got a new idea or two. Just have to go back to the notes and see where they lead.

Back digits are not coming out the way I hoped.

Front digits are more predictable, stable, and we know there are only 56 patterns in a 5/39.

An experiment tracking 3s and 4s may be the way to go as far as homing in on back digit combinations. Tomorrow, the plan is to update all the files, recalculate, and post predictions for various states starting this week.

My real concern is those pesky back digits which jump around like fleas on an angry dog. Tracking 5 back digits shows, at most, 3 hits over the history of the game. Tracking 4 produces 6. Three digits will produce good hit totals, but the longest out range remains in the 100s. Tracking 2 back digits seems the way to go. Those were calculated in the summary chart. Mostly informational, not reflecting a working hypothesis but it would make sense to do since the object is to use three front digits and two back digits to make sets.

My thinking is since there are only 4 possible digits, five places to fill, and most permutations contain only 3 digits, it makes sense. It might make too much sense in this case. We will post an experiment and see.

Park City, UT United States Member #69864 January 18, 2009 993 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 3:39 pm - IP Logged

Previously I asked the following:

So the question you must ask yourself is it easier to correctly choose 5 or less ending digits than it is choosing the balls themselves?

Jimmy

Prediciting the back or ending digits was always going to be the hardest problem to solve not the front digits. The digits system shows alot of promise, but fundamentally I don't think it is any easier predicting 5 or less ending digits than it is predicting the ball themselves.

Using Powerball as an example in a 5/59 game lets say I always predict exactly 4 unique ending digits for the next draw. I believe this happens roughly 40% of the time. I have reduced the game to a 5/23 or 5/24 game by my choice of playing exactly 4 unique ending digits. Lets assume 5/24. The odds of matching 5/24 are 1 in 42504. Well thats alot better than 1 in 5 million for matching 5/59 but to get those odds I still had to exactly match the 4 ending digits. If I was playing in a lottery pool then I might consider the digit system where you could cover more of the ending digit combos but as an individual player in the big jackpot games I just don't see an advantage. There would have to be alot more filters in play other than the ending digits themselves to make it usable.

But don't let me discourage any research I would love for someone to prove me wrong!

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 7:56 pm - IP Logged

Jim,

Although I agree you have a valid question, I suppose the ultimate answer lies with the individual. From my perspective I've tried to relate the idea of digital systems from a basic statistical approach.

I don't agree that the first and last digits are the hardest to predict. In theory, the first, second, fourth, and fifth back digits are MORE predictable than the third. After charting the first and second, first and fifth and last two back digits in 11(?) games, there is no surprise that digits 1 and 2 appear as the top back digits in the first position. And no surprise that the higher digits (7,8,9) appear most often as the last digit in any permutation.

I haven't spent a great deal of time on RL's Lexi approach at the moment, but from what I have seen and read, by narrowing the fields from the bookends, we should be capable of locating each positional value, within a certain range. In the way I'm looking at the Lexi, there may be a lot going on that hasn't been discovered.

I'll leave the proving, dispproving, daring, and the I win/You lose scenarios for those more inclined. The major challenge is finding the data and determining what, why, how, and if, it can be applied. And of those, often the biggest challenge is making the visible apparent in a simple manner.

Anyone who posts on any forum should accept the impossibility of 100% agreement on any topic. So it would go against my loose-cannon-non-conformity to expect anyone to conform to my methods, manners, or madness. The only exceptions to this rule are 1) people with IDs 2 points below a rock, 2) people with IQs equal to crash dummies, and 3) those drinking MAGIC JU-JU.

Park City, UT United States Member #69864 January 18, 2009 993 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on May 7, 2011

Jim,

Although I agree you have a valid question, I suppose the ultimate answer lies with the individual. From my perspective I've tried to relate the idea of digital systems from a basic statistical approach.

I don't agree that the first and last digits are the hardest to predict. In theory, the first, second, fourth, and fifth back digits are MORE predictable than the third. After charting the first and second, first and fifth and last two back digits in 11(?) games, there is no surprise that digits 1 and 2 appear as the top back digits in the first position. And no surprise that the higher digits (7,8,9) appear most often as the last digit in any permutation.

I haven't spent a great deal of time on RL's Lexi approach at the moment, but from what I have seen and read, by narrowing the fields from the bookends, we should be capable of locating each positional value, within a certain range. In the way I'm looking at the Lexi, there may be a lot going on that hasn't been discovered.

I'll leave the proving, dispproving, daring, and the I win/You lose scenarios for those more inclined. The major challenge is finding the data and determining what, why, how, and if, it can be applied. And of those, often the biggest challenge is making the visible apparent in a simple manner.

Anyone who posts on any forum should accept the impossibility of 100% agreement on any topic. So it would go against my loose-cannon-non-conformity to expect anyone to conform to my methods, manners, or madness. The only exceptions to this rule are 1) people with IDs 2 points below a rock, 2) people with IQs equal to crash dummies, and 3) those drinking MAGIC JU-JU.

Like I said I'm not here to discourage anyone. I choose to look for patterns versus numbers or digits. Patterns are much more interesting to me and when I say patterns I do mean patterns not numbers. I play the numbers that fall under the patterns not the other way around. That is the area I have chosen to research. Could be I have taken the wrong path. As far as drinking MAGIC JU-JU if that is whiskey then I fall into that category.

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 7, 2011, 11:17 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on May 7, 2011

Like I said I'm not here to discourage anyone. I choose to look for patterns versus numbers or digits. Patterns are much more interesting to me and when I say patterns I do mean patterns not numbers. I play the numbers that fall under the patterns not the other way around. That is the area I have chosen to research. Could be I have taken the wrong path. As far as drinking MAGIC JU-JU if that is whiskey then I fall into that category.

Good luck with your research.

Jimmy

Jim,

I don't know about wrong paths, I see different routes to explore. Hopefully, they all lead to the same destination. But for all I know, I'm on the wrong path. And like Thomas Edison, for the one way I've learned to do a thing, I've learned 1000 ways not to do it.

Yes, it is hard to compare and contrast two systems when I know nothing about one of them. And I acknowledge I know nothing about your system, so I'm at a loss.

Patterns are particularly appealing. I likely overlook them not knowing what I am seeing.

But in my view, anyone who takes the time to look for, discover, and build relationships with numbers is far ahead of the norm. A goal and a plan to achieve it is always more effective than haphazardly waiting for fate to lend a hand. And yet, fate steps in at the oddest times leaving us to wonder what is the purpose of the plan if is not working?

Maybe it's nothing more than fate's means of providing the necessary hope we all need to push forward through disaster. Maybe we all deserve T-shirts that say "I survived the lottery to play another day?"

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 8, 2011, 2:22 am - IP Logged

Twice I've mentioned the low digits tend to hang out as back digits in the first and second position. Apparently I promised to post the charts at some point and miserably failed. For that I apologize.

A short explanation: What you see in the chart as 12, or 13, or 14, etc isthe back digits in the first two numbers of a set. 12 could be 01, 02 or 01, 12, or 11, 12, or any combination showing 1 and 2as the back digits in the first two numbers of the set.

Remember, the front digits in any 5/39 can only be a 0,1,2, or 3. Highlighted in yellow are the combinations that do not contain at least one digit that can be played as a front and back digit.

Hopefully this helps clarify why it is not necessary to look for more than 5 or 6 digits to make the entire set.

Krakow Poland Member #86302 February 2, 2010 892 Posts Offline

Posted: May 8, 2011, 5:32 am - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on May 8, 2011

Twice I've mentioned the low digits tend to hang out as back digits in the first and second position. Apparently I promised to post the charts at some point and miserably failed. For that I apologize.

A short explanation: What you see in the chart as 12, or 13, or 14, etc isthe back digits in the first two numbers of a set. 12 could be 01, 02 or 01, 12, or 11, 12, or any combination showing 1 and 2as the back digits in the first two numbers of the set.

Remember, the front digits in any 5/39 can only be a 0,1,2, or 3. Highlighted in yellow are the combinations that do not contain at least one digit that can be played as a front and back digit.

Hopefully this helps clarify why it is not necessary to look for more than 5 or 6 digits to make the entire set.

AZ541

4889

PA544

5566

NJ540

4856

TX537

2743

FL536

5514

IL539

5662

BACK DIGIT

TOTALS

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144

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73

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CA539

6503

GA539

5476

NC539

1648

VAD544

4001

VAN544

5187

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12

154

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54

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106

Gary,

Below is a random sample of draws in 5/42 matrix. 49 draws only, but I do not expect to see much of a difference when looking at all the draws. Out of 49 draws in 42 so over 85% of draws one of base digits i.e. 1, 2, 3 was drawn irrespective of position as back digit. Position-wise out of those 42 draws, in 32 draws, so 76%, it was in position 1 or 2 in a set. Then in 65% of draws they do show up as back digits in either pos.1 or 2 or both.

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 8, 2011, 12:32 pm - IP Logged

Adam,

I agree with that. This is a portion of the final file for AZ5/41 that deals with every back digit pair from 00 to 99 through every position (first and 2nd, 1st and 3rd, 1st and 4th, 1st and 5th,....to 4th and 5th). This sorted data demonstrates the truth of your statement perfectly. Base Digits (0,1,2,3, and sometimes 4) do fall irrespective of position.

In most cases I err on the conservative side when posting charts but attempt to post a sufficient amount to demonstrate key points.

Krakow Poland Member #86302 February 2, 2010 892 Posts Offline

Posted: May 8, 2011, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on May 8, 2011

Adam,

I agree with that. This is a portion of the final file for AZ5/41 that deals with every back digit pair from 00 to 99 through every position (first and 2nd, 1st and 3rd, 1st and 4th, 1st and 5th,....to 4th and 5th). This sorted data demonstrates the truth of your statement perfectly. Base Digits (0,1,2,3, and sometimes 4) do fall irrespective of position.

In most cases I err on the conservative side when posting charts but attempt to post a sufficient amount to demonstrate key points.

Thank you for pointing that out!

BACK DIGIT

TOTALS

1&3

TOTALS

1&4

TOTALS

1&5

TOTALS

2&3

TOTALS

2&4

TOTALS

2&5

TOTALS

3&4

TOTALS

3&5

TOTALS

4&5

TOTALS

12

144

18

121

10

102

15

154

45

105

30

70

55

92

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Gary,

I think that looking at the total of base digits in the game can tell the story abt. what we can expect. For example looking at 1170 games in 5/42 game

I can see that :

1 base digit occurred - once only

2 base digits occurred- 23 times

3 base digits occurred- 84 times

4 base digits occurred- 235 times

5 base digits occured- 359 times

6 base digits occurred- 287 times

7 base digits occurred- 150 times

8 base digits occurred- 29 times

9 base digits occurred- 2 times

Of course, the fact that 5 base digits occurred 359 times i.e. 30% of the time does not mean that their distribution was : 2-2-1 as it could have been for example

2-3-0. However they show up together 65% of the time in my game, which is negatively biased by digit 4 in the matrix. In 5/39 matrix they should come up, the

three of them together, ar. 70% of the time which only confirms what RL calls them as freebies.

I think that 2 biggest challanges are:

1. to be able to predict how many times they will hit, each of them base ones and

2. correctly guess none-base digits.

As to the second point, perhaps an analysis of occurrence of pairs of non- base digits might help determine which ones are most likely to hit together?

Dallas, Texas United States Member #4549 May 2, 2004 1839 Posts Offline

Posted: May 9, 2011, 1:48 am - IP Logged

Adam,

I've uploaded a Excel summary file (all542Finalindex) which provides a baseline for any 5/42 game. If you haven't seen it, you might want to compare it to the results of the game you play. It's about 62K so it shouldn't take long to download.

Once you open it, you will see the chart for the pairs and trips in the back digits, front digit patterns, individual digit breakdowns, mixed digits, prime numbers, etc.

I wrote it to help (me) get a better understanding of the setting for the 5/37 in Texas. It has been expanded for 39, 40, 41, 44, and now 42 ball games. There will a few items (front digit patterns with 4 in the second position) that cannot occur in your game. Ignore those, they should show 0 (zero) anyway.

There are no formulas in the worksheet, so it can sorted, sifted, rainbow colored, charted, cut, pasted, or whatever, without loss of data.