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Posted: February 29, 2012, 1:11 pm - IP Logged

All said, the ping pong balls still don't remember anything. They have no hard disk, no RAM and no brein.

It is not possible to calculate by physics which balls will be drawn, as a computer is getting lost afte x milliseconds.
A computer can't calculate it, maybe it will be able to do calculate it in 1000 years with a pentium5000.

Mentionning table tennis you forgot to describe the qualities of the table.

After that, will you ask the quality of the rackets and the players?

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    Posted: February 29, 2012, 1:30 pm - IP Logged

    All said, the ping pong balls still don't remember anything. They have no hard disk, no RAM and no brein.

    It is not possible to calculate by physics which balls will be drawn, as a computer is getting lost afte x milliseconds.
    A computer can't calculate it, maybe it will be able to do calculate it in 1000 years with a pentium5000.

    Mentionning table tennis you forgot to describe the qualities of the table.

    After that, will you ask the quality of the rackets and the players?

    SergeM

    "All said, the ping pong balls still don't remember anything". Agree. They have no conscious memory. They do have physical memory, meaning their physical properties change the more they are used. 

    Does a penny have "memory"? I think the answer is "yes". The image stamped on the front or back of a penny is just as much a memory as a "1" or "0" stored as a information in an EPROM or Computer.

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      Posted: February 29, 2012, 1:45 pm - IP Logged

      When the balls are used, probably even before, they will be replaced, you know that.

      P(1) = .5
      P(0) = .5
      Ω = {0;1} p()=1

      I did the math and the simulations for coinflips. I didn't stop with 1000 flips but I pushed it to 10000 and more.

      In the same way I analysed keno, lotto and pick3 on real drawings.

      If you speak memory = declaration and definition, okay, then say so. Type

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        Posted: February 29, 2012, 5:48 pm - IP Logged

        SergeM,

        "All said, the ping pong balls still don't remember anything. They have no hard disk, no RAM and no brein."

        Cards, dice, and roullete balls have eyes, ears, and no heart.

        Las Vegas saying

        We can add lottery balls to that. In other words, they see and hear what you bet and make sure irt doesn't hit.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: February 29, 2012, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

          Would anyone like to define "random"?

          Random is when the next outcome can not with certainty be predicted by looking at past results.

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            Posted: February 29, 2012, 6:02 pm - IP Logged

            I was spinning that mean ball for one year. Big Smile

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              Posted: February 29, 2012, 6:11 pm - IP Logged

              Random is what you don't expect, lol. For example: 

              totally random!

              Mature Audiences only lmao.

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                Posted: March 1, 2012, 3:54 pm - IP Logged

                Would anyone like to define "random"?

                UNEXPECTED.

                How about this for random?

                A) 14, 16, 23, 30, 45
                B) 14, 19, 28, 40, 51

                I get the first digit repeated almost every time I buy 2 Quick Pick Tickets on Mega millions and Powerball. It has been so frustrating that I have decided to buy a single line quick pick or self pick to avoid this. I have  also decided not to buy multiple quick picks to avoid the repeated numbers.

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                  Posted: March 1, 2012, 4:14 pm - IP Logged

                  UNEXPECTED.

                  How about this for random?

                  A) 14, 16, 23, 30, 45
                  B) 14, 19, 28, 40, 51

                  I get the first digit repeated almost every time I buy 2 Quick Pick Tickets on Mega millions and Powerball. It has been so frustrating that I have decided to buy a single line quick pick or self pick to avoid this. I have  also decided not to buy multiple quick picks to avoid the repeated numbers.

                  If you have Excel, you can use the random function and make your own quick pick.

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                    Posted: March 1, 2012, 4:36 pm - IP Logged

                    If you have Excel, you can use the random function and make your own quick pick.

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                    It does not happen whenever I buy a single line quick pick on mega millions or powerball. They have many random numbers generators online for free, I just prefer the lottery machines quick picks because 70 to 80% of jackpots have been won with quick pick tickets here in the USA. Thanks anyway and Good Luck.

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                      Posted: March 2, 2012, 2:35 am - IP Logged

                      Random and the lottery.  Most lotteries have a fixed number of combinations that can

                      be drawn and this does not change unless the matrix is changed.  I can predict many

                      aspects of lottery with 100% certainty.  In a 5-39 game I can predict that five numbers

                      will be drawn, I could also win the lottery every time I play if I buy out the combinations.

                      I can also predict that 34 numbers will not be drawn.   The next set of balls seems to be

                      random but if all the variables could be calculated then there would be no randomness to

                      the draw.  In my opinion a truly random lottery would require infinite number of possible

                      outcomes.

                      RL

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                      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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                        Posted: March 2, 2012, 8:02 am - IP Logged

                        ShotokanWizard:

                           The balls have no memory because they are not alive. I can't be sure what God has his eye on. Thanks for

                        keeping your eye on the balls. If the balls had/have no memory than they wouldn't care what happens to them next

                        and most draws would be different and a very few draws would have the same result. Every ball in the machine is

                         connected by small forces of gravity. No jealously involved. Everything is connected everywhere .....throughout the

                         universe that has no edge.

                         

                        BlueDuck

                        the supercomputer the lottery use has  memory.which makes it not random. that pretty  much makes it not random,trust me they know what numbers are played and how frequent,especially if u use the replay option.

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                          the supercomputer the lottery use has  memory.which makes it not random. that pretty  much makes it not random,trust me they know what numbers are played and how frequent,especially if u use the replay option.

                          how is the SuperC utlized in a drawing?  what is the superC computing.  If it is a mechanical drawing, then where would the computing be involved?? What is the SuperC changing to affect randomness??

                           

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                            Posted: March 2, 2012, 12:11 pm - IP Logged

                            Here's a hint by example: Once you've selected a number, it's no longer random.

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                              Posted: March 2, 2012, 1:53 pm - IP Logged

                              how is the SuperC utlized in a drawing?  what is the superC computing.  If it is a mechanical drawing, then where would the computing be involved?? What is the SuperC changing to affect randomness??

                               

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                              the "supercomputer" computes data(being all the number combinations and replay numbers that  have been played). which takes away the random aspect of the lottery. have you ever wondered why you cannot purchase tickets a half an hour before the drawing.

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