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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: March 3, 2013, 10:49 am - IP Logged
Saturday, March 02, 2013        03 · 08 · 13 · 41 · 56    + 16        $103 Million

My PB ticket had 18 different numbers and ZERO hits...... What are the odds? LOL

MATCH ODDS
5/5+B 1 : 175223510
5/5+0 1 : 5153633
4/5+B 1 : 648976
4/5+0 1 : 19088
3/5+B 1 : 12245
3/5+0 1 : 360
2/5+B 1 : 706
2/5+0 1 : 21
1/5+B 1 : 111
1/5+0 1 : 3
0/5+B 1 : 55
0/5+0 1 : 2

The odds are 1:2 but it's unlikey you would had beat those odds if you hadn't used only one bonus number. Wink

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    A649KING2B,

    Could you please explain what you mean by,

    "1 in 3 draws or slightly better, my odds ARE 1 in 73,815, this is totally provable based on the draw history."

    No need to prove anything, just explain how this relates to your original post, which implied that your returns were in line with what is expected without a Jackpot, about 25 Cents on the $.

    --Jimmy4164

    He probably won't bother to explain that to anyone since he might consider such an advantage as proprietary.

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      MATCH ODDS
      5/5+B 1 : 175223510
      5/5+0 1 : 5153633
      4/5+B 1 : 648976
      4/5+0 1 : 19088
      3/5+B 1 : 12245
      3/5+0 1 : 360
      2/5+B 1 : 706
      2/5+0 1 : 21
      1/5+B 1 : 111
      1/5+0 1 : 3
      0/5+B 1 : 55
      0/5+0 1 : 2

      The odds are 1:2 but it's unlikey you would had beat those odds if you hadn't used only one bonus number. Wink

      The odds of getting 18 numbers wrong are BETTER than getting 5 numbers right.


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        He probably won't bother to explain that to anyone since he might consider such an advantage as proprietary.

        I Agree! 

        No explanation need be given, lest jimmy turn it to a pile of dog crap and place it on your door step.

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          Posted: March 3, 2013, 1:23 pm - IP Logged

          The odds of getting 18 numbers wrong are BETTER than getting 5 numbers right.

          That chart was calculated for picking 5of59 plus 1of35.  Calculating each part separately will get different results but general speaking that would be true.

          Now in Keno, getting all wrong numbers can be harder than getting a few numbers right.

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            Posted: March 3, 2013, 2:16 pm - IP Logged

            That chart was calculated for picking 5of59 plus 1of35.  Calculating each part separately will get different results but general speaking that would be true.

            Now in Keno, getting all wrong numbers can be harder than getting a few numbers right.

            Thx RJOh, it wont help now but I would have rather eliminated those 18 numbers instead of playing them.


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              Posted: March 3, 2013, 2:17 pm - IP Logged

              Yes Nod


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                Have a good night everyone. I'm feeling sooooo sleepy and need to check out.


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                    Hi RJOh, Sorry for the late reply, On average, 1 in 3 draws or better,  we do match the last 2 numbers. So in other words, if I can hit the first 4 numbers only, that would give me a 1 in 3 chance or better at the jackpot. Each term that we play is 26 draws (13weeks), so after spending $2860.00 to play, we will win between 500.00 to 900.00 every term. We also come dangerously close to the jackpot at least twice every term, and even more so with some of the smaller cash prizes. So to me I think its inevitable to win something very significant a lot sooner than for most people.

                    A649KING2B,

                    Ronnie316 seems to think you need to reveal your proprietary system to answer the question I asked you while comparing a statement in your later post to the ones quoted above.  I don't agree.  It's probably just a semantic  misunderstanding which you could clear up easily.  As written, there is a glaring inconsistency between the two.  Here is the later statement...

                    "1 in 3 draws or slightly better, my odds ARE 1 in 73,815, this is totally provable based on the draw history."

                    This is not a question about your selection methods or system but merely a request for some sort of reconciliation between a $700 return on a $2860 outlay and 1:73815 ODDS.

                    Could you please clarify?

                    Thanks,

                    --Jimmy4164

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                      This is why wheels piss me off.Mad

                      I try to max out at 6 lines, and try to monitor all the parameters as best I can.  A wheel hardly defines parameters.  I do worse when I play large wheels.

                      I do better when I play max of six games.  Max of 13 numbers.

                      It works both ways because I had two four number matches by only matching 4 numbers using a 3if4 wheel. Basically by using either wheel we're using a small percentage of the total number of combos and hope the wheel doesn't eliminate the "1" way to have a five number match. Abbreviated are better tools for 5/39 games that pay $1 for matching two numbers and $10 for matching three, but PB and MM don't payoff on two number matches and the three and four number payoffs are comparably pathetic.

                      You can key four numbers using 17 numbers on 16 lines. If you thought one of the previous MM numbers was going to repeat, 28 numbers can be played on 25 lines with a two number match guaranteed. There are many different ways players can use their numbers and benefit with better payoffs when their numbers hit, but between 70% and 80% of them will ask for QPs.

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                        MATCH ODDS
                        5/5+B 1 : 175223510
                        5/5+0 1 : 5153633
                        4/5+B 1 : 648976
                        4/5+0 1 : 19088
                        3/5+B 1 : 12245
                        3/5+0 1 : 360
                        2/5+B 1 : 706
                        2/5+0 1 : 21
                        1/5+B 1 : 111
                        1/5+0 1 : 3
                        0/5+B 1 : 55
                        0/5+0 1 : 2

                        The odds are 1:2 but it's unlikey you would had beat those odds if you hadn't used only one bonus number. Wink

                        54 numbers weren't drawn and Ronnie used 1/3 of them. Why not examine the reason why none of them hit and use it to eliminate 18 numbers in future drawings?

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                          54 numbers weren't drawn and Ronnie used 1/3 of them. Why not examine the reason why none of them hit and use it to eliminate 18 numbers in future drawings?

                          I don't waste time trying to do the impossible, instead I would play as many of the 59 that would fit into the type of combinations I like to play.  With PB price of $2/line I usually limit myself to 10 lines at most so the most I could play would be 50 of them and hope for the best with 10 different pb numbers. 

                          Lately I've been playing Ohio's Classic Lotto but PB is getting into the range that I might consider switching over for a while.

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                            Thx RJOh, it wont help now but I would have rather eliminated those 18 numbers instead of playing them.

                            Even if you had eliminated those 18 you still had 36 more numbers to pick 18 from for the same results.

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                              A649KING2B,

                              Ronnie316 seems to think you need to reveal your proprietary system to answer the question I asked you while comparing a statement in your later post to the ones quoted above.  I don't agree.  It's probably just a semantic  misunderstanding which you could clear up easily.  As written, there is a glaring inconsistency between the two.  Here is the later statement...

                              "1 in 3 draws or slightly better, my odds ARE 1 in 73,815, this is totally provable based on the draw history."

                              This is not a question about your selection methods or system but merely a request for some sort of reconciliation between a $700 return on a $2860 outlay and 1:73815 ODDS.

                              Could you please clarify?

                              Thanks,

                              --Jimmy4164

                              Those kinds of stats aren't hard to clarify, I have similar stats for Pick6 game on the prediction board.

                              Pick 6

                               Statistic  Current Month  Last Month  Current Year  Last Year  Lifetime 
                              Picks10801405903,527
                              Hits0141672
                                  Hit Ratio0.00%1.25%2.86%2.71%2.04%
                              Winnings$0$5,000$5,015$270$5,735
                                  Prize Ratio0.00%6250.00%3582.14%45.76%162.60%

                              Check them for yourself.  I'm sure I'm not the only one with similar stats.

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