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A dime a dozen - Lottery Systems

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Posted: September 18, 2012, 12:52 pm - IP Logged

Try this...

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/245249

You may not find it useful since I take a much different approach to analyzing and preduction lottery draws.

It doesn't mean that I in any way disrespect what you are doing.

You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

    RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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    Posted: September 18, 2012, 3:27 pm - IP Logged

    Try this...

    http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/245249

    You may not find it useful since I take a much different approach to analyzing and preduction lottery draws.

    It doesn't mean that I in any way disrespect what you are doing.

    I thought you were talking about jackpot style games. 

    No wonder you are thinking lottery systems here are a dime a dozen, there must be hundreds of pick3 systems posted at LP and most by players who actually play and post predictions for them so you can check their performance.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: September 18, 2012, 4:33 pm - IP Logged

      I thought you were talking about jackpot style games. 

      No wonder you are thinking lottery systems here are a dime a dozen, there must be hundreds of pick3 systems posted at LP and most by players who actually play and post predictions for them so you can check their performance.

      Hi,

        Yes, the same type of tracking is equally applicable to the jackpot games. I ran the above only to test if the same concept was valid for pick 3 games (it is).

      Since I don't play pick 3 games, I thought I would share in the hopes that it might help some of the pick 3 players. It is verifiable by all.

       

         As far as, don't take my predictions seriously, please don't. The games I play are parimutuel and I am of the belief that some of the lotteries are indeed watching. Therefore, the predictions I post are based on my latest unproven and untested  programs. My comments in posts, on the other hand, are based on what I know to be true from my experience.

        Considering what RL and other have gone through introducing thier systems, why would anybody want to go through that? Why do the words Karma, mutual repsect and civility come to mind?

        It is what it is. I'll still enjoy the stories, the variety of methods, and attempts at beating the lottery.

      As always, thank you for your comments RJOH.

      You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

      Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.

        lakerben's avatar - spherewall
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        Posted: September 18, 2012, 4:54 pm - IP Logged

        Try this...

        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/245249

        You may not find it useful since I take a much different approach to analyzing and preduction lottery draws.

        It doesn't mean that I in any way disrespect what you are doing.

        Lovies

        How about them cowboys!

         

         

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          lakerben's avatar - spherewall
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          Hi,

            Yes, the same type of tracking is equally applicable to the jackpot games. I ran the above only to test if the same concept was valid for pick 3 games (it is).

          Since I don't play pick 3 games, I thought I would share in the hopes that it might help some of the pick 3 players. It is verifiable by all.

           

             As far as, don't take my predictions seriously, please don't. The games I play are parimutuel and I am of the belief that some of the lotteries are indeed watching. Therefore, the predictions I post are based on my latest unproven and untested  programs. My comments in posts, on the other hand, are based on what I know to be true from my experience.

            Considering what RL and other have gone through introducing thier systems, why would anybody want to go through that? Why do the words Karma, mutual repsect and civility come to mind?

            It is what it is. I'll still enjoy the stories, the variety of methods, and attempts at beating the lottery.

          As always, thank you for your comments RJOH.

          This whole thread was of no benefit to anyone that I've heard from.  I've had several pm's sent to me and they said the systems are making them money.  This site is more benefical is people use it in a positive way.  Experience, I have decades of experience in the lottery, horseracing and gambling at casino's, and I never have seen negative verbage that has helped anyone. 

          Saying the sytems are a dime a dozen overlooks the fact that people are making more than a dime with these systems.  Instead, your way and experience are better???   You'll never have me convinced.

           

          I had a relative that passed away recently.  He died a very wealthy man. He was a real-estated developer that always took big risks. He was always coming up with new ideas.  He told me people used to say his ideas and investments would never pan out.  They laughed at him.  Well, when his investments and risktaking netted him a fortune  he had the last laugh. 

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            Posted: September 18, 2012, 6:00 pm - IP Logged

            Hi Guys

            I kind of hate to stick my neck out here but a I think we are taking this out of context just a bit.  I

            admit I was shocked by the title but I feel I know JKING and don't believe he meant it the way that

            most are taking it.   Let's face it, most so called systems have not been subjected to the level testing

            that he is suggesting and I would like to see a forum where ideas could be tossed around and proven.

            As a lottery software developer I would like to have some real math backing me up but in most instances

            it's just not possible.  My software or system as I use to call it has been run through the ringer a few

            times but it's really only a assortment of tools that are used to reduce.   Every lottery program I have

            ever seen does the same thing and while most are based on some mathematical processes they are not

            mathematical, at least not to the point that JKING is talking about.   I think that JKING is a credit to LP

            and maybe he wishes he had not used the title he chose but I think we should give him a break, It's not 

            as though he just fell off the turnip wagon and dropped in just to start trouble.  Most of what I do is based

            on intuition as much as it is on anything else and I would like some real math processes discussed for 

            systems development.   Over the years I have gotten good at guessing but at the same time I would like

            to have more math behind me in the choices I make.  This I believe was the intention of the topic and nothing

            more.   Doing this in a manner that is not high handed or just an attack on someones ideas or methods  would

            be nice to have here at LP.

            RL

            Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

            I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

            they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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              Posted: September 18, 2012, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

              Hi,

                Nothing ventured, nothing gained. From my view point it was worth a try.

                Thanks to all, even lakerben, for taking the time to respond.

                Since this thread is now off topic and of little use to the group as a whole, I am considering it closed.

                Again thanks to all and good luck. *S*

              You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

              Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.


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                Hi,

                  Nothing ventured, nothing gained. From my view point it was worth a try.

                  Thanks to all, even lakerben, for taking the time to respond.

                  Since this thread is now off topic and of little use to the group as a whole, I am considering it closed.

                  Again thanks to all and good luck. *S*

                How is it off topic  JKING?? Here is part of a post I just put up on a Thread I created several moths ago to give answer to this Topic.....................    A dime a dozen - Lottery Systems

                Do some number combinations have better odds?

                By choosing a group of 28 numbers that contains the 5 winning numbers, and playing a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel I have reduded my odds from 1 in 3.8 million to 1 in 2397. Can anyone dispute this??

                 


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                  How is it off topic  JKING?? Here is part of a post I just put up on a Thread I created several moths ago to give answer to this Topic.....................    A dime a dozen - Lottery Systems

                  Do some number combinations have better odds?

                  By choosing a group of 28 numbers that contains the 5 winning numbers, and playing a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel I have reduded my odds from 1 in 3.8 million to 1 in 2397. Can anyone dispute this??

                   

                  This appears to be indisputably amazing. Congratulations Ronnie!!!  Party


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                    This appears to be indisputably amazing. Congratulations Ronnie!!!  Party

                    Thank you sir, its funny that I had to hit 5 of 5 .......... 5 times already before it dawned on me that I could be playing an abrieviated wheel provided by LP and at least covering 41 lines of the entire wheel......

                    I own a debt of thanks to Stack who kept telling me over and over that its a good idea to play those lines.

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                      How is it off topic  JKING?? Here is part of a post I just put up on a Thread I created several moths ago to give answer to this Topic.....................    A dime a dozen - Lottery Systems

                      Do some number combinations have better odds?

                      By choosing a group of 28 numbers that contains the 5 winning numbers, and playing a 2 if 2 of 28 wheel I have reduded my odds from 1 in 3.8 million to 1 in 2397. Can anyone dispute this??

                       

                      The initial post...

                      Hi,

                        Is it just me or is the LP a place where lottery systems are just a dime a dozen?

                        Wouldn't it be nice to be able to seperate ideas just being floated around versus a well thought out system.

                        Perhaps if posters would include things like:

                         Projected payoff frequency.

                         The bet amount required per draw.

                         If the system is historically back tested.

                         What state it applies to.

                         etc.......

                        It could almost be an optional paste in form for this forum.

                        Any addtional thoughts or ideas are welcome.

                        I suggest you open a new thread.

                      You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

                      Even a blind squirrel will occasioanlly find an acorn.


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                        The initial post...

                        Hi,

                          Is it just me or is the LP a place where lottery systems are just a dime a dozen?

                          Wouldn't it be nice to be able to seperate ideas just being floated around versus a well thought out system.

                          Perhaps if posters would include things like:

                           Projected payoff frequency.

                           The bet amount required per draw.

                           If the system is historically back tested.

                           What state it applies to.

                           etc.......

                          It could almost be an optional paste in form for this forum.

                          Any addtional thoughts or ideas are welcome.

                          I suggest you open a new thread.

                        I suggest you read my post as it contains the information you requested.

                          aquariuslottery's avatar - AquariusLotteryLogo
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                          The initial post...

                          Hi,

                            Is it just me or is the LP a place where lottery systems are just a dime a dozen?

                            Wouldn't it be nice to be able to seperate ideas just being floated around versus a well thought out system.

                            Perhaps if posters would include things like:

                             Projected payoff frequency.

                             The bet amount required per draw.

                             If the system is historically back tested.

                             What state it applies to.

                             etc.......

                            It could almost be an optional paste in form for this forum.

                            Any addtional thoughts or ideas are welcome.

                            I suggest you open a new thread.

                          Hi JKING,

                          The only useful criterium to evaluate a lottery system, whatever it is - "a dime a dozen" or "a well thought out system" is through the backtrack, preferably based on the most recent data, although historical data can also be used.

                          In order to have any value the backtrack should include a monetary comparison - money spent for playing versus money won, even hypotetically, when no tickets are actually bought. This will give you an idea what's the system's capability. This applies equally to jackpot and non-jackpot lotteries. This way you can easily compare different systems and pick the ones that appear most promising.

                          Unfortunately, while introducing new systems and ideas, creators never bother to provide this information. You frequently see post boasting about winning but nobody ever mentions how much they spent to get the win (see my LP blog post "Beware of winning"). I guess system inventors do not want to spend their valuable time for such a "wasteful" activity as monetary simulation/backtrack (which I did for my Pick 3 system for Kansas). And actually playing such an untried system, no matter what it is or who it comes from is a waste of time and money.

                          Aquarius

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                            Hi JKING,

                            The only useful criterium to evaluate a lottery system, whatever it is - "a dime a dozen" or "a well thought out system" is through the backtrack, preferably based on the most recent data, although historical data can also be used.

                            In order to have any value the backtrack should include a monetary comparison - money spent for playing versus money won, even hypotetically, when no tickets are actually bought. This will give you an idea what's the system's capability. This applies equally to jackpot and non-jackpot lotteries. This way you can easily compare different systems and pick the ones that appear most promising.

                            Unfortunately, while introducing new systems and ideas, creators never bother to provide this information. You frequently see post boasting about winning but nobody ever mentions how much they spent to get the win (see my LP blog post "Beware of winning"). I guess system inventors do not want to spend their valuable time for such a "wasteful" activity as monetary simulation/backtrack (which I did for my Pick 3 system for Kansas). And actually playing such an untried system, no matter what it is or who it comes from is a waste of time and money.

                            Aquarius

                            If you're really interested in what players generally spent to win a dollar just check the prediction board results.  It has a section that post the winnings and costs of the predictions by predictors.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              If you're really interested in what players generally spent to win a dollar just check the prediction board results.  It has a section that post the winnings and costs of the predictions by predictors.

                              What JKing postulated, in my understanding, is a sort of simulation to evaluate and possibly compare, different prediction methods introduced on LP, using the same, or at least similar, criteria. Which, in my opinion, would be quite interesting. Unfortunately, I don't think he managed to convince many, which is a pity. Prediction board results do not specify what is being played.

                              Aquarius

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