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# What's next?

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What's next?

Here is a 'n-sequence' from a lottery workout.

22 - 4322124322222212243222322443442132411

Analysis of the string produced the following inventory:

1 - 5 times
2 - 18 times
3 - 6 times
4 - 8 times
Total: 37

A further breakdown using a 4x4 matrix:

1.1 1 time, 1.2 2 times, 1.3 1 time, 1.4 0 times
2.1 3 times, 2.2 10 times, 2.3 1 time, 2.4 4 times
3.1 0 times, 3.2 5 times, 3.3 0 times, 3.4 1 time
4.1 1 time, 4.2 1 time, 4.3 4 times, 4.4 2 times

Pair follower analysis

11 - none
12 - 4, 2
13 - 2
14 - none

21 - 2,2,3
22 - 1,2,2,2,2,1,4,2,3,4
23 - 2
24 - 3.3.4.1

31 - none
32 - 2,2,2,2,4
33 - none
34 - 4

41 - 1
42 - 1
43 - 2,2,2,4
44 - 3, 2

Last 4 - 2411
Last 3 - 411
Last 2 - 11
Last digit - 1

WHAT'S NEXT?

The above is an actual layout from one of my Pick 3 worksheets.
The challenge is to choose what the next digit could be.
The choice, 1,2,3 or 4, is then used in another worksheet to select a lottery number for play.

The question I have is:

Is there a mathematical formula or other approach that could apply in this situation?

The digit '1' hasn't shown up, so to speak, very often.
'11' has come up, so to speak, once.
'411' has come up once.
'2411' has not repeated in the N-sequence.

I suppose the answer is - not enough information.

But, maybe not. Maybe it's the lack of information that would aid choosing.

Telling me to take a course in statistics and probability is an obvious answer, but,
that wouldn't be practical, given my age.
For some reason, when I was 18, it never occurred to me that I would someday
develop a workout or strategy to help me win a lottery jackpot.

I would certainly appreciate any comments you math experts might want to
offer.

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What's next?

Here is a 'n-sequence' from a lottery workout.

22 - 4322124322222212243222322443442132411

Analysis of the string produced the following inventory:

1 - 5 times
2 - 18 times
3 - 6 times
4 - 8 times
Total: 37

A further breakdown using a 4x4 matrix:

1.1 1 time, 1.2 2 times, 1.3 1 time, 1.4 0 times
2.1 3 times, 2.2 10 times, 2.3 1 time, 2.4 4 times
3.1 0 times, 3.2 5 times, 3.3 0 times, 3.4 1 time
4.1 1 time, 4.2 1 time, 4.3 4 times, 4.4 2 times

Pair follower analysis

11 - none
12 - 4, 2
13 - 2
14 - none

21 - 2,2,3
22 - 1,2,2,2,2,1,4,2,3,4
23 - 2
24 - 3.3.4.1

31 - none
32 - 2,2,2,2,4
33 - none
34 - 4

41 - 1
42 - 1
43 - 2,2,2,4
44 - 3, 2

Last 4 - 2411
Last 3 - 411
Last 2 - 11
Last digit - 1

WHAT'S NEXT?

The above is an actual layout from one of my Pick 3 worksheets.
The challenge is to choose what the next digit could be.
The choice, 1,2,3 or 4, is then used in another worksheet to select a lottery number for play.

The question I have is:

Is there a mathematical formula or other approach that could apply in this situation?

The digit '1' hasn't shown up, so to speak, very often.
'11' has come up, so to speak, once.
'411' has come up once.
'2411' has not repeated in the N-sequence.

I suppose the answer is - not enough information.

But, maybe not. Maybe it's the lack of information that would aid choosing.

Telling me to take a course in statistics and probability is an obvious answer, but,
that wouldn't be practical, given my age.
For some reason, when I was 18, it never occurred to me that I would someday
develop a workout or strategy to help me win a lottery jackpot.

I would certainly appreciate any comments you math experts might want to
offer.

For some reason, when I was 18, it never occurred to me that I would someday
develop a workout or strategy to help me win a lottery  jackpot.

If you're my age then when you were 18 had someone told you some day states would have a games you can play for a dollar three times a week guessing which six numbers of forty-nine will be drawn to win fifty millions dollars, you would have thought they were crazy.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Hey bobby623, I'm no mathemagician or anything but kinda did a little cyphering on this. I don't know how you came across that string of digits but thought I'd throw them together and see if I saw some kind of pattern with them. I'm not sure what I came up with would help any, but it was fun to work on it.

It may be nothing at all that can help but I just threw it together real quick to see if my magnetic marble rolling around up there could spot anything.

I was basiclly looking for pair patterns and distances. Kinda saw the 11 came at the end but the 12 at the front. Assuming your reading it left to right?

Anyway, I got the 12 pair and distanced them apart seeing there was 8 digits in between. So I went on another 8 digits keeping pattern and came up on the 24. Then the 41 at the end of the last 8 digits. My 'ole crazy noggin is seeing 12 as 1,2 and sum 3, which i think is the negative version of 8. The 12 being sum 3, 24 being sum 6, double of 3, then 41 being negative sum 3. (4-1). I'm not sure if this keeps on going after the 11 at the end there, but if it did, I'd check and see what comes after the next 8 digits and see how it compared to sum 3. Not sure if any of that makes sense or not.

I'm trying to break them into pairs, then getting the sum of those pairs is what I'm thinking. It's kind of how I look at some of my stuff.

I kinda laid out some of the others to get an idea if there was anything more I could tell and marked some of them on here. Started on the triples at the bottom, but haven't finished. Thought I'd throw this up and see if there was anything useful that might help ya.

With the 43 pair, I'm looking at it as 4 and 3 and sum 7 also. Seeing the 4 digits spacing, then 9 (with it's root being 3), then 7 digit spacing t the next 43. I also see that pairing the four digits in between the first two 43's would give 4 (2+2) then 3 (1+2).

I'm just throwing out ideas, and don't really know what, if any this would help.

You said what would come after the 11 at the end of this string? Are there any more that you have ran that comes before that first 43 and is in the same string? Just curious?

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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Greenfox

Impressive!

I'm not sure I understand your charts.

However, this is going to take some time that is in short supply at the moment.
Hopefully, I'll have a better reply Sunday.

What I can say now is that my workout doesn't involve any mathematics, per se.
The digits are 'objects' having no quantitative values. No roots, no sums, no mirrors.
The position of specific objects in a 'n-sequence' is determined by other forces.
The only math is the addition of 'dots' in a cell, or the total number of digits in a string.

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Greenfox

Impressive!

I'm not sure I understand your charts.

However, this is going to take some time that is in short supply at the moment.
Hopefully, I'll have a better reply Sunday.

What I can say now is that my workout doesn't involve any mathematics, per se.
The digits are 'objects' having no quantitative values. No roots, no sums, no mirrors.
The position of specific objects in a 'n-sequence' is determined by other forces.
The only math is the addition of 'dots' in a cell, or the total number of digits in a string.

Hey bobby623, not sure about impressive there but that's how I was looking at it.

What I did was just take your digits posted and charted them up so I could check for spacing between each to look for whatever I might see. Since you said you where looking for what's next, thinking about what's coming at the end of the string with the 11 there. Figuring this data was to keep moving forward off of that last spot.

Giving that you where looking for what's next and thinking I was reading it right, that you got this data from another place, then using it to make your next move, is why I set it up like I did.

I just broke it up into pairs of digits and looked for a sequence, pattern or whatever you want to call it. Something that happened over and over that might be used to look ahead kinda. I was kinda thinking that they where spot traces, maybe the right terminology there, that if I applied a value to them might show something. If you have more data off this string, I'd definitely be interested in seeing it, pre/post or both. So I guess I'll just wait till you have more time to get more into it.

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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Greenfox

Here is further information.

I have a workout named Substitution Lottery System.
I've posted many details here in LP.
Basically, this is how it works.

Winning lottery combinations are substituted and divided into 3 groups according to a key.
For example, using my personal key:

L#  Sub#  Structure
0    7        C
1    6        B
2    0        R
3    3        A
4    9        C
5    5        B
6    8        C
7    4        B
8    1        A
9    2        A

Group A, aka Book A = 1A, 2A, 3A
Group B, aka Book B = 4B, 5B, 6B
Group C, aka Book C = 7C, 8C, 9C, 0R

Every substitute combination sits on a foundation, or Alpha structure, as determined by the key.
For example:
817 = 164 = ABB
276 = 048 = RBC
223 = 003 = RRA

Every Alpha structure can be expanded into a 4-digit numerical structure,
aka Box structure, according to the position  and number of As, Bs, Cs, or Rs.
These structures are formed by rule,  A in Position 1, B in Position 2, C in Position 3
and R in Position 4.

For example:
ABB has  one  A, two Bs, zero C, zero R = 1200
RBC has zero  A, one B, one C, zero R = 0110
RRA has one A, zero B, zero C , two Rs = 1002

Box Structure 1200 has one A, two Bs, zero C, zero R = ABB, which can be rearranged to
form two additional Alpha structures: BAB, BBA
Box Structure 0110 has zero A, one B, one C, one R = RBC, which can be rearranged to
form five additional Alpha structures: BCR, CRB, BRC, RCB, CBR
Box Structure 1002 has one A, zero B, zero C and two Rs = RRA, which can be rearranged to
form two additional Alpha structures: RAR, ARR

There are 20 Numerical structures.

USAGE

The objective of any workout is to generate data that a player can use in deciding
which digits have the best chance of being in the next or the next few drawings.

Following specific rules, the workout incorporates several tracking charts that analyze
drawing history in certain ways to provide reliable trends which, in turn, can aid the selection process.

Tracking the Alpha structures is one of the more  important tools.

There are two tracking paths - by position or without regard to position, aka All positions.

All Positions

Using the three Alpha structures presented here, the single string, aka BooK D,  is:

'ABBRBCRRA'

My current All Position, Book D string, based on 115 consecutive Alpha structures, has 345 letters.

BAAABACAACCBCBACCCABBBACBBBCBCBBARCBRCABRCCCBABABRBCCCBBBCACABCCRRABBABABABABBA

BABCACCBBBAAAARARBABBBCCBCBCBAACBRAABAACCBCBCBRBCBACABCBAABRBCBRCRBBCBCAAAABBBC

BBACARABBCRAAACCBRCCCARACRCCABBRBRACRACBAACRBBCBRABABCCCACBBCABABCBBBCABAARCAAR

CCABBCRABRBACBACRBRCBRCBBBAABBBRRABAAAABBBBBAACCBCRCCRABRBBCABABCAACACRRCACAABR

CAACRCCCAABRACBAABABBBABBRBCRRA

/May not be 100% accurate//

The Alpha string is used to generate, on a letter by letter basis, according to a rule, a numerical string aka Followers, or 'F' string, which has exactly the same number of digits as letters in the
Alpha string.

3411224333132233112311233112222134433334441134222424112112422331414412222222212222432

1311311422311114122222313344132141322224232432332312424233231322411311321332424144411

3144311432332134142234333432344132343224113231233223211233214431331341344432343334423

333311412114133211121122214132421244321443223312224123221444412321131443443122211221424314

The Follower string is generated by counting the number of active cells between like letters or digits in a continuous string of data.

There are four Active cells in the Alpha string - A, B, C, R.
There are four Active cells in the Follower string - 1, 2, 3, 4.

Example of how the strings are initiated and maintained.

G  F
A  1
B  2
C  3
R  4

The next Alpha structure is ABB.

Thus: Add 'A' in G column.
Count the number of Active cells between the A being added and the A already in the
string. The count is 4, which is placed in the F column. The A that was already in the string is
marked off in some manner, usually a light cross. Thus:

A  4

Add first B to the G column. Count the number of active cells between the B being added
and the B already in the string. The count is 4. Thus:

A  4
B  4

Add the second B to the G column. Count the number of active cells between the B being
Mark off the B that was already in the stream.

A   4
B   4
B   1

thus:

A

1
B   2
C   3
R   4
A   4
B   4
B   1

Note: The marked off letters remain in place.
Note: The Follower digits are NOT marked off.

In order to be useful, the G and F strings need to be broken down into small pieces for analysis.

G String:

Tracking the individual letters to form a 4X4 matrix showing how many times individual

For example:
A.A = 25 times, A.B = 38 times, A.C =24 times, A.R 8 times.

There are no other subordinate strings using G letters.

F String

A 4x4 matrix shows how many time the individual digits follow other digits.
For example:

1.1 25 times, 1.2 22 times, 1.3 22 times, 1.4 18 times

etc

The F string can be divided into Pairs, with third digits added to show specific trends.

There are 16 possible pairs.

11,12,13,14  21,22,23,24  31,32,33,34  41,42,43,44

These sub-strings are manually updated after each drawing.

I chose  Pair 22 and its third digits in my initial posting.
The sub-string ends with Pair 11.
The question remains, What digit could be next?

As can be seen by examining the F string above, the last current Pair is 14.
The third digits for Pair 14 are:

142114324114442

Again, the question is: What's next?

USAGE

How is the 'Whats next' digit used to aid selection of a lottery number???
The digit selected is used to determine which of the three books the
lottery number can be found.

Lets say that, using all the data available, the Next digit choice is '3'

Referring to the Alpha string, counting up the column, the third Active cell is "C", meaning the
lottery number will be 0, 6, 4 or 2.

Because there are 3 letters in a Pick 3 combination, the above
process is conducted two more times.

The 'C' is temporarily added to the G string, the '3' is temporarily added to the 'F' string, and the
analysis is repeated.

The second set of choices are temporarily added and the analysis is repeated a third time.

The means by which a specific lottery number is chosen involves another
set of data, which is fodder for another posting.

I guess I didn't realize how complex the procedure is.

I'm sure you have questions.

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LOL. Second thoughts? Can't be having that now. LOL. You never know where an idea might take ya. Let me look this over before getting too hasty. I'm following you as to what your doing. I'm just curious about the four rows of string digits you have on here before jumping in deep on it. Are those four separate sets or did you just separate them on here to get them on the page? That's about all I need to know before trying to tackle it. I'm looking at them as four total, but just to ease my mind and make sure I look at it right.

Let me at least set it up and see if I can see some kind of pattern in that part.

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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Geenfox

I had to break the continuous Alpha and Follower string into parts so that they would fit on the page.
They should be treated as one single string.

FYI

The data is for Texas Pick 3, combined drawings.
Results for the 0706 Night drawing:
680  817  CAC

Therefore, you can add CAC to the end of the Alpha string; and 322 to the Follower string.

The last pair is '22'

What's next?

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Here are manually-generated worksheets where I used both Alpha and Follower streams to
predict/suggest possible base structures for the next Texas P3 drawing, 0708D.

Although I have a search tool provided by a LP member, most of the work is done by hand.
The tool doesn't have a feature where I can save the search results, and some are too
long to enter manually.

GDA analysis

GDA
L5 - RACDAC - no hits
L4 - ACAC - R
L3 - CAC - ACBRA
L2 - AC - (too many to list)
L1 - C  (too many, refer to matrix)

4x4 Matrix

C - A/24 B/31 C/23 R/14 (I choose B/31)
B - A/34 B/36 C/29 R/18 (I choose B/36)
B - A/34 B/36 C/29 R/18 (I choose B/36)

Scale (based on adjusted GDA string endings)

R - B    B    B
C - R    R    R
B - A    C    A
A - C    A    C

If my choices are correct,  my next lottery combination for play will have two As
and one C (2010).

GDF
L5 - 14322 - no hits
L4 - 4322 - 43
L3 - 322 - 3244331
L2 - 22 - (too many to list)
L1 - 2 (too many to list)
4x4 Matrix
2 - 1/18 2/39 3/24 4/17 (I choose 2/39)
Note: This is an automatic entry because the string ends with '2'

2 - 1/18 2/39 3/25 4/17 (I choose 2/39 again)
Note: I chose 2/39, therefore, the next line has to begin with a temporary '2'

2 - 1/18 2/39 3/25 4/17 (I choose 2/39 a third time)
Note: I chose 2/39 with second choice, therefore the strings ends with
a temporary 2)

Scale (adjusted to reflect temporary GDF string endings)

4 - B B B
3 - R R R
2 - A C A
1 - C A C

Choices produced the same structure as the GDA analysis.
(Note: I'm not exactly sure why two methods produced same result. Perhaps
it involves some kind of mathematical function)

Lacking any other guidance, I usually select the matrix cells having the highest
inventory total.

The methods I use to choose actual lottery numbers is a separate worksheet.
I'm not going to present it in this thread.

I've been an LP member for 10+ years.
I know for certain that there are a dozen members who are good with math who are following
the posts.
I hope they will be courteous enough to offer their thoughts, ideas, suggestions.

If not, well, that's how it can be in LP.

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My lottery number selection charts suggest the best lottery combination for the 0708D
drawing is:

ACA - 329

Going to bet \$1 both ways.
Total cost \$2

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I was hoping that was a continuous string so I could have more to work with. So that's great. Now, I just gotta figure out how to formulate it and see if it will work like I'm thinking. I'm not real fast with excel, so bear with me.

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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My lottery number selection charts suggest the best lottery combination for the 0708D
drawing is:

ACA - 329

Going to bet \$1 both ways.
Total cost \$2

Close, but no banana!

Results

Winning combination 0708D = 309

When choosing lottery numbers using my Playsheet, I was faced with the
following matrix line:

3 - 1/19 2/23 3/24 4/27

Lacking any reason to do otherwise, I chose the cell with higher total (4/27) which produced L# 2.
If I had went with 3/24, it would have produced L# 0!

True, I could have played both, or all four, but I really didn't want to spend more than \$2.

I think this shows that there are ways of playing without having to buy a bunch of combinations.

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Still a working on ya here. If I can get this thing formulated right, it'll make seeing a pattern fairly easy. I'm hoping you have excel????

Looks like you got close and it's working like you want and probably knew it would. I won't play more than one set of numbers per draw either. On the 3 or 4. No more than 5 on the larger games. Usually about 5 sets of the same digits on the 3 and 4. Win or lose.

But I'll get you finished just as quick as I can and see if it might help you with it, or just do it for you. I don't really know yet about that, but it makes it easier to see what's going on.

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

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Hey bobby623, I'm no mathemagician or anything but kinda did a little cyphering on this. I don't know how you came across that string of digits but thought I'd throw them together and see if I saw some kind of pattern with them. I'm not sure what I came up with would help any, but it was fun to work on it.

It may be nothing at all that can help but I just threw it together real quick to see if my magnetic marble rolling around up there could spot anything.

I was basiclly looking for pair patterns and distances. Kinda saw the 11 came at the end but the 12 at the front. Assuming your reading it left to right?

Anyway, I got the 12 pair and distanced them apart seeing there was 8 digits in between. So I went on another 8 digits keeping pattern and came up on the 24. Then the 41 at the end of the last 8 digits. My 'ole crazy noggin is seeing 12 as 1,2 and sum 3, which i think is the negative version of 8. The 12 being sum 3, 24 being sum 6, double of 3, then 41 being negative sum 3. (4-1). I'm not sure if this keeps on going after the 11 at the end there, but if it did, I'd check and see what comes after the next 8 digits and see how it compared to sum 3. Not sure if any of that makes sense or not.

I'm trying to break them into pairs, then getting the sum of those pairs is what I'm thinking. It's kind of how I look at some of my stuff.

I kinda laid out some of the others to get an idea if there was anything more I could tell and marked some of them on here. Started on the triples at the bottom, but haven't finished. Thought I'd throw this up and see if there was anything useful that might help ya.

With the 43 pair, I'm looking at it as 4 and 3 and sum 7 also. Seeing the 4 digits spacing, then 9 (with it's root being 3), then 7 digit spacing t the next 43. I also see that pairing the four digits in between the first two 43's would give 4 (2+2) then 3 (1+2).

I'm just throwing out ideas, and don't really know what, if any this would help.

You said what would come after the 11 at the end of this string? Are there any more that you have ran that comes before that first 43 and is in the same string? Just curious?

Nice picture.

Not enough pink.

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Nice picture.

Not enough pink.

You do like that pink huh? LOL.

There's plenty more pink with all those other digits in there. I promise. Looks like a pack of skittles been thrown up in the air.

You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!