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If you won the big one. Where would you NOT want to move to?

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Posted: November 7, 2013, 12:05 am - IP Logged

LOL. Forgot to answer the question.

California is the last place in the U.S. I would want to live.

California MUCH better now. Now that Arnold is gone. Budget picture is getting much better.  The earthquakes and some of the inner city places are the worst part. I like the Black Hills of SD/WY. Maybe on a lake in Minn. Or maybe way in the backwoods of Montana.  Pop up my Zero Energy RC 4 house. With the 36 solar panels on the house and a Tesla model X. Maybe an old Polaris Electric LSV  ATV, and I can just stay on my property. $0 electric bills, $0 heat bills, $0 water bills with my water well and $0 gasoline bills. No tributes to the Koch Brothers. Live TRUELY FREE! No crybaby about "lack of freedom".

    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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    Posted: November 7, 2013, 12:11 am - IP Logged

    Tesla is selling ALL the cars on their that they can make. They are EXPORTING cars.

    Their cars are made in Fremont California. 

    Finland IS buying Tesla. 

    Tesla is selling MORE card than many of the well know luxury cars.

    Their is a WAITING list for Teslas.

    Tesla PAYS ythe USA. Paid their loan IN FULL WITH INTEREST. Get it The USA got a PROFIT from Tesla. Get it.?

    Mitt Roment called Tesla a failure.. A year later Elon Musk is making more money IN ONE DAY than yor financial genius made in his LIFETIME. Mitt made 280,000,000  Elon Musk is worth OVER 5,000,000,000...... Elon Musk has NEVER had a failure. 

    The WHOLE list of companies closed by Mitt Romoney is long.  The list of companies closed by Elon Musk is 0 zero zilch.

    THEY ARE on their OWN.

    At least tell the TRUTH!

    You really fall for all the hype, don't you?

    If they're doing so good, why did they need a bailout from the American Taxpayers?

    Why wouldn't Finland give them a bailout?

    Mitt Roment? Sorry, never heard of him. Neither has Google.

    Better get your facts straight.

    I'm sure you were a big fan of Solyndra too. Another fine mess your idol invested our money in just before they went belly up like so many other stupid hare-brained "investments" he made. Google that. There's a litany of ratholes he threw our money down and then gave all the bigshot campaign donors bonuses when they went bankrupt.

    Time to wake up, sonny boy.

    You wanna throw your money down a rathole, go ahead, but your hero is no venture capitalist and he has no business throwing our money away like that.

      ttech10's avatar - blobdude
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      Posted: November 7, 2013, 2:58 am - IP Logged

      Anywhere but next door to you.

      I Agree!

      Also to OP, thanks for making me laugh with that communist line. You do realize your own city's history with that, right?

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        Posted: November 7, 2013, 3:17 am - IP Logged

        Well if they stand in the way of business, they really are not so good.

        I honestly had to check the date of this post to make sure this was from present day.

        Google "Best State for Business 2013".

        Forbes will tell you Texas is #7. CNBC will say #2. Area Development Magazine says #1. Chief Executive Magazine says #1.

        That was just the front page of results.

        I would think if Texas stood in the way of business, they wouldn't be ranked so highly by reputable sources. Of course, The Tax Foundation did drop them out of the top 10, to #11, for the first time in 9 years. Though that's because of a lot of new laws Indiana introduced.

        So... yea.

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          Posted: November 7, 2013, 5:13 am - IP Logged

          That's right, ttech.

          Texas is very business-friendly, it's just that Musk wanted to bypass Texas franchise laws and sell directly to the consumer.  That's all well and good on the surface, but it's a law that - for the most part-  protects the buyer. 

          The Texas franchise laws might seem unfair to a free market advocate, but look at how Texas does liquor sales.  For example, Ridge and I could go partners in a liquor store here in town (prob. a bad idea from the git-go).  However, Texas law forces one partner - who'd have to be the majority one - to live in the county where the store is located.  That way, if I, or any employee, sold liquor to a minor, sold after hours or broke any other of the numerous laws regulating liquor sales, someone would be easily found and prosecuted.  Not so with a chain store selling booze, one with headquarters out-of-state; it would be much harder to find someone to be responsible for the law-breaking.  It's the same principle with why Texas has turned down Tesla sales within the state.

          Sure, there are special interests (car dealerships) that are against the sales of Teslas in Texas, but if I buy a Ford (or Chevy or Toyota) here in town, I know I can easily take it to the local dealer for warranty work/repairs and can sue them in a local court if they sell me a lemon.  To be fair, there are consumer laws that will apply to Tesla purchases, but tell me this:  after Tesla drops off your pretty, fast, yet overgrown and overpriced golf cart, where are you going to go for service here in Texas? As far as I know, their only service centers are in Dallas, Austin and Houston.  Fine for folks in those cities, but what is someone going to do who lives in the Panhandle or hundreds of miles away from one?

          Texas isn't the only state with concerns about Musk's business model;  there is anti-Tesla legislation pending in other states, too.  Musk dropped a bunch of cash in order to make sure the bills were DOA in N. Carolina,  NY and Mass., but apparently he didn't spend enough here in Texas, huh?   I think a lot of the pushback against Musk wasn't so much from the dealer lobbyists, but rather that Musk tried to bribe the Texas Leg. with vague promises of siting his proposed spaceport here in Texas if they'd only allow him to do as he wanted.  If he wants to sell cars in Texas, he needs to abide by the franchise laws or try harder/spend more to get them changed.  (and before you or anyone else whines about that, that's SOP in other states, too, more so on the Fed. level.   Lobbyists are a fact of life in American politics;  I don't like it, but to restrict them would be a freedom of speech issue.)

          Personally, it doesn't matter to me where or how he sells his rich boy toys, he can sell 'em at Wal Mart for all I care.   They can be just like the big screen TVs they carry, sell them cheap, make folks carry it out to their vehicle, get it home and set it up and after that, if the customer needs service, they can fend for themselves.  Your "jump through hoops" comment was strange, unless it took you two days to remember how to navigate back to this site after your original, inflammatory first post.  Just go to the Tesla website and do it; it's supposed to be as easy as buying something from Amazon.  They'll ship it to you and if there's something wrong, you can ship it back to them, simple as that!

          All that said, I understand the majority of Texans want this particular franchise law to be overturned or amended.  That's fine by me, but don't expect me OR the majority of Texans to ever approve of state subsidies for the car. (funny 'bout that;  the "bluer" the state, the more subsidies they offer.  Texas is already doing more for the wind power scams than needs to be done)  Tesla didn't make their profits from selling cars, but by selling emissions "credits". (there's a great Forbes article: "If Tesla Would Stop Selling Cars, We'd All Save Some Money" that explains more about that and the "greenmail" other electric car companies have to pay Tesla) The leftists are always complaining about "Republican crony capitalism" but when the shoe is on the other foot, nothing but crickets chirping.  Guess it's OK when it's THEIR crony capitalists, huh?  Just like the Koch Bros. are devils, but Soros is a saint.  Gimme a break.

          Lord help me, I so hate partisan hacks such as the OP.  He's a prime example of one of those low information voters we always hear about.


          A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors are not victims...but accomplices.
           - George Orwell

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            Posted: November 7, 2013, 6:21 am - IP Logged

            BREAKING NEWS:  Tesla Motors stock tumbled 14.51% yesterday!  It started the nosedive after the company announced it had lost $38 million in the third quarter. It fell so fast, it was enough to trigger the NASDAQ "circuit breaker" that slows short-selling.  It might just be a hiccup but we'll see, won't we?   Renewed investor confidence might very well "spark" a spate of buying, but then again, there might be a "short circuit" leading to more losses. 

            Me?  I think when the major auto manufacturers all get in the EV game, Tesla will be a footnote in automotive history, like the Corvair, Edsel and Tucker.


            A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors are not victims...but accomplices.
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              Posted: November 7, 2013, 6:26 am - IP Logged

              When I said "you" in my post after yours, ttech, I wasn't saying "YOU-you".  It was directed at the OP, should've called him by name.


              A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors are not victims...but accomplices.
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                Posted: November 7, 2013, 1:11 pm - IP Logged

                BREAKING NEWS:  Tesla Motors stock tumbled 14.51% yesterday!  It started the nosedive after the company announced it had lost $38 million in the third quarter. It fell so fast, it was enough to trigger the NASDAQ "circuit breaker" that slows short-selling.  It might just be a hiccup but we'll see, won't we?   Renewed investor confidence might very well "spark" a spate of buying, but then again, there might be a "short circuit" leading to more losses. 

                Me?  I think when the major auto manufacturers all get in the EV game, Tesla will be a footnote in automotive history, like the Corvair, Edsel and Tucker.

                I'd rather have a Tucker than any Corvair or Edsel.  Of course, you might want the throw Delorean as a footnote too.  The only reason we remember them is from the movies.  Other than that, they would be unknown, imo.

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                  Posted: November 7, 2013, 3:24 pm - IP Logged

                  You really fall for all the hype, don't you?

                  If they're doing so good, why did they need a bailout from the American Taxpayers?

                  Why wouldn't Finland give them a bailout?

                  Mitt Roment? Sorry, never heard of him. Neither has Google.

                  Better get your facts straight.

                  I'm sure you were a big fan of Solyndra too. Another fine mess your idol invested our money in just before they went belly up like so many other stupid hare-brained "investments" he made. Google that. There's a litany of ratholes he threw our money down and then gave all the bigshot campaign donors bonuses when they went bankrupt.

                  Time to wake up, sonny boy.

                  You wanna throw your money down a rathole, go ahead, but your hero is no venture capitalist and he has no business throwing our money away like that.

                  I woulda left out the line about the bailout....cause GM sure did get a good one....wouldnt have mention campaign donors either....i.e. Koch bros., wall street big wigs and the like...


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                    Posted: November 7, 2013, 3:28 pm - IP Logged

                    Well if they stand in the way of business, they really are not so good.

                    It's all politics markp...it depends on the business and business owner, who they back or not back politically, but like I said I leave all that out and focus on the good things in the state

                      ttech10's avatar - blobdude
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                      Posted: November 7, 2013, 4:54 pm - IP Logged

                      When I said "you" in my post after yours, ttech, I wasn't saying "YOU-you".  It was directed at the OP, should've called him by name.

                      It's fine, I understood it.

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                        Posted: November 7, 2013, 5:09 pm - IP Logged

                        That's right, ttech.

                        Texas is very business-friendly, it's just that Musk wanted to bypass Texas franchise laws and sell directly to the consumer.  That's all well and good on the surface, but it's a law that - for the most part-  protects the buyer. 

                        The Texas franchise laws might seem unfair to a free market advocate, but look at how Texas does liquor sales.  For example, Ridge and I could go partners in a liquor store here in town (prob. a bad idea from the git-go).  However, Texas law forces one partner - who'd have to be the majority one - to live in the county where the store is located.  That way, if I, or any employee, sold liquor to a minor, sold after hours or broke any other of the numerous laws regulating liquor sales, someone would be easily found and prosecuted.  Not so with a chain store selling booze, one with headquarters out-of-state; it would be much harder to find someone to be responsible for the law-breaking.  It's the same principle with why Texas has turned down Tesla sales within the state.

                        Sure, there are special interests (car dealerships) that are against the sales of Teslas in Texas, but if I buy a Ford (or Chevy or Toyota) here in town, I know I can easily take it to the local dealer for warranty work/repairs and can sue them in a local court if they sell me a lemon.  To be fair, there are consumer laws that will apply to Tesla purchases, but tell me this:  after Tesla drops off your pretty, fast, yet overgrown and overpriced golf cart, where are you going to go for service here in Texas? As far as I know, their only service centers are in Dallas, Austin and Houston.  Fine for folks in those cities, but what is someone going to do who lives in the Panhandle or hundreds of miles away from one?

                        Texas isn't the only state with concerns about Musk's business model;  there is anti-Tesla legislation pending in other states, too.  Musk dropped a bunch of cash in order to make sure the bills were DOA in N. Carolina,  NY and Mass., but apparently he didn't spend enough here in Texas, huh?   I think a lot of the pushback against Musk wasn't so much from the dealer lobbyists, but rather that Musk tried to bribe the Texas Leg. with vague promises of siting his proposed spaceport here in Texas if they'd only allow him to do as he wanted.  If he wants to sell cars in Texas, he needs to abide by the franchise laws or try harder/spend more to get them changed.  (and before you or anyone else whines about that, that's SOP in other states, too, more so on the Fed. level.   Lobbyists are a fact of life in American politics;  I don't like it, but to restrict them would be a freedom of speech issue.)

                        Personally, it doesn't matter to me where or how he sells his rich boy toys, he can sell 'em at Wal Mart for all I care.   They can be just like the big screen TVs they carry, sell them cheap, make folks carry it out to their vehicle, get it home and set it up and after that, if the customer needs service, they can fend for themselves.  Your "jump through hoops" comment was strange, unless it took you two days to remember how to navigate back to this site after your original, inflammatory first post.  Just go to the Tesla website and do it; it's supposed to be as easy as buying something from Amazon.  They'll ship it to you and if there's something wrong, you can ship it back to them, simple as that!

                        All that said, I understand the majority of Texans want this particular franchise law to be overturned or amended.  That's fine by me, but don't expect me OR the majority of Texans to ever approve of state subsidies for the car. (funny 'bout that;  the "bluer" the state, the more subsidies they offer.  Texas is already doing more for the wind power scams than needs to be done)  Tesla didn't make their profits from selling cars, but by selling emissions "credits". (there's a great Forbes article: "If Tesla Would Stop Selling Cars, We'd All Save Some Money" that explains more about that and the "greenmail" other electric car companies have to pay Tesla) The leftists are always complaining about "Republican crony capitalism" but when the shoe is on the other foot, nothing but crickets chirping.  Guess it's OK when it's THEIR crony capitalists, huh?  Just like the Koch Bros. are devils, but Soros is a saint.  Gimme a break.

                        Lord help me, I so hate partisan hacks such as the OP.  He's a prime example of one of those low information voters we always hear about.

                        Great piece, Mike!  Thumbs Up

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                          Posted: November 7, 2013, 5:23 pm - IP Logged

                          I woulda left out the line about the bailout....cause GM sure did get a good one....wouldnt have mention campaign donors either....i.e. Koch bros., wall street big wigs and the like...

                          I'm sure you would have left out all the bailouts, son. Those would be my talking points, not yours.

                          Of course GM got a bailout, so did Chrysler.

                          And all the green energy outfits that went bellyup and bankrupt with huge bonuses for their bigshots with our money.

                          That's how your idol bought all their votes.

                          Plus he's got Wall street and all the bankers bought and paid for.

                          Wake up, sonny boy.

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                            Posted: November 7, 2013, 5:28 pm - IP Logged

                            I hate cold too, but the cold kills the bugs.  Don't need any 3 foot <snip>roaches....

                            This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

                            If you kept your house clean it wouldn't be infested with c0ckroaches.

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                              Every male I've ever seen driving a Prius is always a beady-eyed, weasel-looking, sniveling, Harry Reid type.

                              Real men drive pickup trucks.

                              And we spit tobaccy on girly-men in Priuses that are going slow in the fast lane as we pass them on the shoulder and flip 'em the bird.

                              That's just the way it is.