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# Powerball Power Play Number Almost Always 2 ?

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JACKPOT HUNTER

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Been all pi\$\$ed off about the PB not having a multiplier for 2nd prize, and the stupid 2x multiplier which makes absolutely no sense. When I think about it, I get all-pi\$\$ed-off again, so I quit thinking about it. Now I'm all pi\$\$ed off again.

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The other odd thing about the Power Play is we cannot find any combination of positive, non-zero integers that can match or even come close to matching the stated odds.

 Power Play Odds Stated Odds 2 1 in (B + C + D) / A 1 in 2 3 1 in (A + C + D) / B 1 in 3.33 4 1 in (A + B + D) / C 1 in 10 5 1 in (A + B + C) / D 1 in 10

A, B, C, D can be any value {1, 2, 3, ...}

Here's something interesting.

Multiply Powerball's Power Play Odds.

2 x 3.33 x 10 x 10 = ???

666

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There's a quick way to check if the odds are valid for this type of selection.

If the correct odds are:

1 in w
1 in x
1 in y
1 in z

Then the following expression will become 0:

w·x·y·z - w·x - w·y - w·z - x·y - x·z - y·z - 2·w - 2·x - 2·y - 2·z - 3

The dot, · , is shorthand for multiply.

In the previous A, B, C, D ball example, the exact odds are:

 Ball Odds A 1 in 9 B 1 in 4 C 1 in 7/3 D 1 in 3/2

This makes w = 9, x = 4, y = 7/3 and z = 3/2.

We can plug the numbers in to the equation and get the following:

9 · 4 · (7/3) · (3/2) - 9 · 4 - 9 · (7/3) - 9 · (3/2) - 4 · (7/3) - 4 · (3/2) - (7/3) · (3/2) - 2 · 9 - 2 · 4 - 2 · (7/3) - 2 · (3/2) - 3

126 - 36 - 21 - (27/2) - (28/3) - 6 - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

90 - 21 - (27/2) - (28/3) - 6 - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

69 - (27/2) - (28/3) - 6 - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(111/2) - (28/3) - 6 - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(277/6) - 6 - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(241/6) - (7/2) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(110/3) - 18 - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(56/3) - 8 - (14/3) - 3 - 3

(32/3) - (14/3) - 3 - 3

6 - 3 - 3

3 - 3

0

Is 0, so, odds are correct.

Let's try for Powerball's Power Play.

w = 2, x = 3.33, y = 10, z = 10

2 · 3.33 · 10 · 10 - 2 · 3.33 - 2 · 10 - 2 · 10 - 3.33 · 10 - 3.33 · 10 - 10 · 10 - 2 · 2 - 2 · 3.33 - 2 · 10 - 2 · 10 - 3

666 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 33.3 - 33.3 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

659.34 - 20 - 20 - 33.3 - 33.3 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

639.34 - 20 - 33.3 - 33.3 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

619.34 - 33.3 - 33.3 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

586.04 - 33.3 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

552.74 - 100 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

452.74 - 4 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

448.74 - 6.66 - 20 - 20 - 3

442.08 - 20 - 20 - 3

422.08 - 20 - 3

402.08 - 3

399.08

Not 0, so, the odds are most likely not correct.

Let's try for Mega Millions' Megaplier.

w = 7.5, x = 3.75, y = 5, z = 2.5

7.5 · 3.75 · 5 · 2.5 - 7.5 · 3.75 - 7.5 · 5 - 7.5 · 2.5 - 3.75 · 5 - 3.75 · 2.5 - 5 · 2.5 - 2 · 7.5 - 2 · 3.75 - 2 · 5 - 2 · 2.5 - 3

351.5625 - 28.125 - 37.5 - 18.75 - 18.75 - 9.375 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

323.4375 - 37.5 - 18.75 - 18.75 - 9.375 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

285.9375 - 18.75 - 18.75 - 9.375 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

267.1875 - 18.75 - 9.375 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

248.4375 - 9.375 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

239.0625 - 12.5 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

226.5625 - 15 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

211.5625 - 7.5 - 10 - 5 - 3

204.0625 - 10 - 5 - 3

194.0625 - 5 - 3

189.0625 - 3

186.0625

Not 0, so, the odds are most likely not correct.

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Jehocifer

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Hi ... just joined LP today ... been reading for some time. I have been waiting for someone to make a comment about the PB Power Play number almost always being a "2". I don't usually play the extra dollar but for some reason I did for the whole month of March. Seems to be kind of a waste playing the extra dollar.

Is PB controlling that in someway or are there more 2s than 4s and 5s in the mix of numbers. Is each number from 1 to 5 equal in the draw or are there more 2s than any other number. I noticed this earlier ( a few years ago) with Mega Millions I think but it could have also been the PB ... the 2s always seem to be drawn much more than 4s or 5s.

Of course the states save money with the 2 being drawn but is this looking somewhat suspicious to anyone and is the extra dollar really worth it?

This month (March) with PB drawings, the 2 has has appeared 6 out of 8 draws and since PB has made the change back to the Power Play with 19 drawings so far, 2 has come out 12 times with 3 coming out 4 times ... 5 has only been out once. This doesn't seem right to me, something being controlled here or are there more 2s mixed in with the total numbers from 1 to 5. I am not sure about that and maybe someone here also finds this interesting and has a possible answer.

Thanks ... I don't think I will be playing the extra dollar on PB anymore, just on Mega Millions.

Good luck to all ...

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 Posted: April 9, 2014, 10:13 am - IP Logged

Here's something interesting.

Multiply Powerball's Power Play Odds.

2 x 3.33 x 10 x 10 = ???

666

Well, that explains it!

Playing Powerball with PowerPlay is contributing to Satan's cause.

I never play PowerPlay.

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The Powerplay has been "2X" for ten of the last twelve drawings now.

They have too many dam* 2's in the mix.

Startin' to git my hackles up.

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 Posted: April 14, 2014, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

The Original Power Play Selection Method

Maybe they should just do a ball draw for the Powerplay multiplier.

How does anyone know what the code or algorithm is for the PP computer selection? They don't. Isn't that why they do ball draws for Powerball in the first place, so people can see the selection method?

So they go to all the trouble to make the multipler odds "ball draw equivalent" but yet do a computer draw. They could make the odds just about anything they want. Heck, they could offer a 10X multipler, but the odds would be awful.

So since the PP is a 10 ball draw equivalent, just get one of those ping pong ball air machines like they use for pick 3, and use that for the multiplier selection. So you'd have 10 balls: 5 - 2x, 3 - 3x, 1 - 4x, 1 - 5x. Then people can see what is being drawn.

...oh wait a minute...then that exposes the ruse! This offering of a 5x multiplier for PP is bogus because it's hardly available!

So in Powerplay, of the 10 balls: there's 8 balls for 2x&3x but only 2 balls for 4x&5x.

Megaplier would be, of the 15 balls: there's only 6 balls for 2x&3x but 9 balls for 4x&5x, with 6 balls just for 5x, more than any other.

Feeling a bit gypped by PP? You should.

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Maybe they should just do a ball draw for the Powerplay multiplier.

How does anyone know what the code or algorithm is for the PP computer selection? They don't. Isn't that why they do ball draws for Powerball in the first place, so people can see the selection method?

So they go to all the trouble to make the multipler odds "ball draw equivalent" but yet do a computer draw. They could make the odds just about anything they want. Heck, they could offer a 10X multipler, but the odds would be awful.

So since the PP is a 10 ball draw equivalent, just get one of those ping pong ball air machines like they use for pick 3, and use that for the multiplier selection. So you'd have 10 balls: 5 - 2x, 3 - 3x, 1 - 4x, 1 - 5x. Then people can see what is being drawn.

...oh wait a minute...then that exposes the ruse! This offering of a 5x multiplier for PP is bogus because it's hardly available!

So in Powerplay, of the 10 balls: there's 8 balls for 2x&3x but only 2 balls for 4x&5x.

Megaplier would be, of the 15 balls: there's only 6 balls for 2x&3x but 9 balls for 4x&5x, with 6 balls just for 5x, more than any other.

Feeling a bit gypped by PP? You should.

we always thought that was a strange way of selecting the power play with a wheel like that.

now it's, odda sight, odda mind.

there is no way to tell how they bias the power play selection.

however, the more samples they make, the more we can guess what's wrong.

right now, based on the estimated odds, it appears the stated odds are bogus; or at least the odds for the x2 power play.

one good thing about the power play is we don't play powerball ever since it went to \$2.

now we have x2 the reason not to play.

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we always thought that was a strange way of selecting the power play with a wheel like that.

now it's, odda sight, odda mind.

there is no way to tell how they bias the power play selection.

however, the more samples they make, the more we can guess what's wrong.

right now, based on the estimated odds, it appears the stated odds are bogus; or at least the odds for the x2 power play.

one good thing about the power play is we don't play powerball ever since it went to \$2.

now we have x2 the reason not to play.

right now, based on the estimated odds, it appears the stated odds are bogus; or at least the odds for the x2 power play.

You can choose to believe me or not, but statistically speaking there is nothing unusual or "bogus" about the current frequency of Power Play numbers.

The expected number of appearances for #2 is 12, and although there have been 16, it still isn't a big enough difference to be significant. It would have to show up for the next 4 consecutive drawings before it will be considered close to signficiant, i.e. evidence of bias.

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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right now, based on the estimated odds, it appears the stated odds are bogus; or at least the odds for the x2 power play.

You can choose to believe me or not, but statistically speaking there is nothing unusual or "bogus" about the current frequency of Power Play numbers.

The expected number of appearances for #2 is 12, and although there have been 16, it still isn't a big enough difference to be significant. It would have to show up for the next 4 consecutive drawings before it will be considered close to signficiant, i.e. evidence of bias.

oh, you have a formula for this.

great, let's see it.

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oh, you have a formula for this.

great, let's see it.

Chi-squared analysis. It's the same exact test used by lottery auditors, whose sole purpose, by the way, is to determine if the drawings are rigged/biased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-squared_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson%27s_chi-squared_test

There are also other tests for smaller samples, i.e. auditing when a game has just been launched.

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
P&L % = Total Win(\$)/Total Wager(\$) - 1

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Been all pi\$\$ed off about the PB not having a multiplier for 2nd prize, and the stupid 2x multiplier which makes absolutely no sense. When I think about it, I get all-pi\$\$ed-off again, so I quit thinking about it. Now I'm all pi\$\$ed off again.

Buy regular powerball tickets, and your problem will be solved.

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The Powerplay has been "2X" for ten of the last twelve drawings now.

They have too many dam* 2's in the mix.

Startin' to git my hackles up.

Spend more money to win more.LOL

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Well, that explains it!

Playing Powerball with PowerPlay is contributing to Satan's cause.

I never play PowerPlay.

Is playing the lottery evil?

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right now, based on the estimated odds, it appears the stated odds are bogus; or at least the odds for the x2 power play.

You can choose to believe me or not, but statistically speaking there is nothing unusual or "bogus" about the current frequency of Power Play numbers.

The expected number of appearances for #2 is 12, and although there have been 16, it still isn't a big enough difference to be significant. It would have to show up for the next 4 consecutive drawings before it will be considered close to signficiant, i.e. evidence of bias.

Players are getting paid less relative to the chances of winning.

PLAY THE LOTTERY SOMEDAY-IT IS OKAY TO DREAM!

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