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How can the lottery Mm and Pb even out the odds of other places winning?

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Posted: June 5, 2014, 6:35 pm - IP Logged

It's not that I'm worried, it's just that I'm tired of seeing the same places win the jackpot or the second tier prize.  And, I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

Winners can't be blamed for living in places that sell the most tickets and living there didn't improve their chances of winning.  If you think so move to one of those places and see if your chances of winning improves.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: June 5, 2014, 7:06 pm - IP Logged

    I can say what ever, you don't have to reply.

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      rcbbuckeye, I hear you, but you live in a winning state.

      Whereas you live in a state of ignorance or denial. You've been told repeatedly that states that sell 5 or 10 times as many tickets should be expected to have 5 or 10 times as many winners. It's a simple concept for most of us, but for some reason you seem to have trouble understanding it.

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        I think we all understand the concept. May-be the places that don't have winners should stop putting their money into it.


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          Whereas you live in a state of ignorance or denial. You've been told repeatedly that states that sell 5 or 10 times as many tickets should be expected to have 5 or 10 times as many winners. It's a simple concept for most of us, but for some reason you seem to have trouble understanding it.

          It's nothing new with a lot of LP members, not just with this poster. A recurring theme of ignorance AND denial seems  to be rampant.

          Another poster who is well known, won't mention the name, has this same problem, but with another subject. The subject of why most of the JP winners are QPs. I and a few others tried 27 ways to explain, but to no avail. If 70% of the players buy QPs, it should be obvious that there will be more QP JP winners.

          In my opinion, these people should stay clear of using their hard earned money to bet on something they can't comprehend, especially when the ignorance involves the most fundamental concepts of the game.

          When people get mad at me when I tell them they have about a .1% chance of winning a JP in their lifetime, it makes me even more nervous about the Human state. The funny part is that they get mad at me, as if I created those astronomical odds against them winning.Green laugh

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            It's nothing new with a lot of LP members, not just with this poster. A recurring theme of ignorance AND denial seems  to be rampant.

            Another poster who is well known, won't mention the name, has this same problem, but with another subject. The subject of why most of the JP winners are QPs. I and a few others tried 27 ways to explain, but to no avail. If 70% of the players buy QPs, it should be obvious that there will be more QP JP winners.

            In my opinion, these people should stay clear of using their hard earned money to bet on something they can't comprehend, especially when the ignorance involves the most fundamental concepts of the game.

            When people get mad at me when I tell them they have about a .1% chance of winning a JP in their lifetime, it makes me even more nervous about the Human state. The funny part is that they get mad at me, as if I created those astronomical odds against them winning.Green laugh

            Players do come to LP to exchange ideas even stupid ones. Confused

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              It's nothing new with a lot of LP members, not just with this poster. A recurring theme of ignorance AND denial seems  to be rampant.

              Another poster who is well known, won't mention the name, has this same problem, but with another subject. The subject of why most of the JP winners are QPs. I and a few others tried 27 ways to explain, but to no avail. If 70% of the players buy QPs, it should be obvious that there will be more QP JP winners.

              In my opinion, these people should stay clear of using their hard earned money to bet on something they can't comprehend, especially when the ignorance involves the most fundamental concepts of the game.

              When people get mad at me when I tell them they have about a .1% chance of winning a JP in their lifetime, it makes me even more nervous about the Human state. The funny part is that they get mad at me, as if I created those astronomical odds against them winning.Green laugh

              The odds of matching three MM numbers plus the bonus are almost the same a picking a pick-4 number straight and the payoff is $50 compared to $5000. But it's not a well kept secret because they are betting $1 to win millions in MM compared to "only" $5000 making the odds irrelevant.

              The question here is about five number matches and not every player knows each individual state is responsible for all secondary prize payoffs. In the example I gave, there was less than a 1% chance of N.D. having a five number match while there was a 60% chance in N.Y. The players that don't understand the secondary prize payoffs might believe N.D. players are contributing to N.Y. payoffs.

              If players don't understand, maybe we're not explaining it correctly?

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                Yes they do, and there is nothing wrong with that. Keep posting people, no matter what you think.

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                  The odds of matching three MM numbers plus the bonus are almost the same a picking a pick-4 number straight and the payoff is $50 compared to $5000. But it's not a well kept secret because they are betting $1 to win millions in MM compared to "only" $5000 making the odds irrelevant.

                  The question here is about five number matches and not every player knows each individual state is responsible for all secondary prize payoffs. In the example I gave, there was less than a 1% chance of N.D. having a five number match while there was a 60% chance in N.Y. The players that don't understand the secondary prize payoffs might believe N.D. players are contributing to N.Y. payoffs.

                  If players don't understand, maybe we're not explaining it correctly?

                  I've gotten 3+1 a few times but never came close on pick 4. I think that game is harder then mm/pb.

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                    I agree, I do alot better on Pb and Mm than I do on pick 4.

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                      I think we all understand the concept. May-be the places that don't have winners should stop putting their money into it.

                      The lottery does not need to even out the odds because the chances of you winning are already even no matter which state you are from. That is the way it should be. No changes need to be made.

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                        I've gotten 3+1 a few times but never came close on pick 4. I think that game is harder then mm/pb.

                        I Agree! because each $1 (or $2) ticket has 10 different ways to match 3 numbers and there is only one way to match a pick-4 number straight.

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                          Last seven years at a glance.....5+0 By state PB & MM combined 

                          2007-2014 HitsPopPop%5+05+0
                          nameRankTotalOf PopHits$$$
                          New York319,651,1276.55%949$326,750,000
                          California138,332,52112.78%896$249,642,621
                          New Jersey118,899,3392.97%510$171,100,000
                          Texas226,448,1938.82%446$156,450,000
                          Pennsylvania612,773,8014.26%445$152,150,000
                          Illinois512,882,1354.29%391$131,300,000
                          Georgia89,992,1673.33%357$122,350,000
                          Ohio711,570,8083.86%357$110,100,000
                          Michigan99,895,6223.30%337$108,550,000
                          Florida419,552,8606.52%328$163,900,000
                          North Carolina109,848,0603.28%283$90,300,000
                          Virginia128,260,4052.75%283$93,700,000
                          Maryland195,928,8141.98%228$77,650,000
                          Massachusetts146,692,8242.23%224$75,250,000
                          Arizona156,626,6242.21%194$67,300,000
                          Missouri186,044,1712.01%193$63,300,000
                          Tennessee176,495,9782.17%171$50,650,000
                          Indiana166,570,9022.19%166$55,900,000
                          Louisiana254,625,4701.54%162$56,750,000
                          Kentucky264,395,2951.47%155$50,300,000
                          Wisconsin205,742,7131.91%147$45,400,000
                          South Carolina  244,774,8391.59%142$46,650,000
                          Washington136,971,4062.32%127$44,700,000
                          Iowa303,090,4161.03%125$46,800,000
                          Minnesota215,420,3801.81%122$38,250,000
                          Colorado225,268,3671.76%117$40,300,000
                          Oklahoma283,850,5681.28%93$33,700,000
                          Arkansas322,959,3730.99%85$27,300,000
                          Oregon273,930,0651.31%76$24,650,000
                          Connecticut293,596,0801.20%73$32,750,000
                          Nebraska391,868,5160.62%70$26,500,000
                          West Virginia381,854,3040.62%70$26,200,000
                          New Mexico362,085,2870.70%67$22,750,000
                          New Hampshire421,323,4590.44%64$23,550,000
                          Idaho391,612,1360.54%59$24,300,000
                          Rhode Island431,051,5110.35%59$16,050,000
                          Delaware45925,7490.31%47$14,850,000
                          Washington DC49646,4490.22%39$12,050,000
                          Kansas332,893,9570.96%32$11,100,000
                          Montana441,015,1650.34%26$6,100,000
                          Maine411,328,3020.44%23$6,250,000
                          South Dakota  46844,8770.28%20$5,800,000
                          North Dakota  48723,3930.24%17$5,100,000
                          Vermont50626,6300.21%16$5,850,000
                          US Virgin IslandN/A106,4050.04%2$1,250,000
                              299,997,463#DIV/0!8,793$2,961,592,621

                          "Everybody has to believe in something...I believe I'll have another beer!"   = W.C.Fields                      

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                            Stack47, but has that happen, ND winning a 5 number match every year?

                            North Dakota shows 17 second teir wins in 7 years...Average about 2.4 wins a year...

                            In 2010 they had 6 hits of 5+0... In 2012 they had "0"

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                              Posted: June 7, 2014, 8:58 am - IP Logged

                              Last seven years at a glance.....5+0 By state PB & MM combined 

                              2007-2014 HitsPopPop%5+05+0
                              nameRankTotalOf PopHits$$$
                              New York319,651,1276.55%949$326,750,000
                              California138,332,52112.78%896$249,642,621
                              New Jersey118,899,3392.97%510$171,100,000
                              Texas226,448,1938.82%446$156,450,000
                              Pennsylvania612,773,8014.26%445$152,150,000
                              Illinois512,882,1354.29%391$131,300,000
                              Georgia89,992,1673.33%357$122,350,000
                              Ohio711,570,8083.86%357$110,100,000
                              Michigan99,895,6223.30%337$108,550,000
                              Florida419,552,8606.52%328$163,900,000
                              North Carolina109,848,0603.28%283$90,300,000
                              Virginia128,260,4052.75%283$93,700,000
                              Maryland195,928,8141.98%228$77,650,000
                              Massachusetts146,692,8242.23%224$75,250,000
                              Arizona156,626,6242.21%194$67,300,000
                              Missouri186,044,1712.01%193$63,300,000
                              Tennessee176,495,9782.17%171$50,650,000
                              Indiana166,570,9022.19%166$55,900,000
                              Louisiana254,625,4701.54%162$56,750,000
                              Kentucky264,395,2951.47%155$50,300,000
                              Wisconsin205,742,7131.91%147$45,400,000
                              South Carolina  244,774,8391.59%142$46,650,000
                              Washington136,971,4062.32%127$44,700,000
                              Iowa303,090,4161.03%125$46,800,000
                              Minnesota215,420,3801.81%122$38,250,000
                              Colorado225,268,3671.76%117$40,300,000
                              Oklahoma283,850,5681.28%93$33,700,000
                              Arkansas322,959,3730.99%85$27,300,000
                              Oregon273,930,0651.31%76$24,650,000
                              Connecticut293,596,0801.20%73$32,750,000
                              Nebraska391,868,5160.62%70$26,500,000
                              West Virginia381,854,3040.62%70$26,200,000
                              New Mexico362,085,2870.70%67$22,750,000
                              New Hampshire421,323,4590.44%64$23,550,000
                              Idaho391,612,1360.54%59$24,300,000
                              Rhode Island431,051,5110.35%59$16,050,000
                              Delaware45925,7490.31%47$14,850,000
                              Washington DC49646,4490.22%39$12,050,000
                              Kansas332,893,9570.96%32$11,100,000
                              Montana441,015,1650.34%26$6,100,000
                              Maine411,328,3020.44%23$6,250,000
                              South Dakota  46844,8770.28%20$5,800,000
                              North Dakota  48723,3930.24%17$5,100,000
                              Vermont50626,6300.21%16$5,850,000
                              US Virgin IslandN/A106,4050.04%2$1,250,000
                                  299,997,463#DIV/0!8,793$2,961,592,621

                              Nice FJA, kudos to you.

                              Wait, my state is number 2 in population
                              We had less 5+0 hits than number 11  in population ???
                              We had less than half of 5+0 hits of the number 3 in populated state ???
                              We had ONLY 1 more 5+0 hit than #6 populated state ??
                              OH look at Florida...# 4 in population and and in 10th place for 5+0 hits ???

                              Gotta be a conspiracy, I am gonna move to NY, NJ or CA, that way I can be assured of winning, right ?!No No......orrrrrrrrrr maybe, JUST MAYYYBE, it could be more folks are spending more $$ and winning more $$ on a particular game(s) in their state vs another state. Sure would be nice to see how many tickets were sold for each state over the last 7 years. Maybe that would help solve the concerns.
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