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How are Mega/Powerball numbers generated regarding lotto games.

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Posted: February 24, 2015, 4:52 pm - IP Logged

Let me throw some additional mystery into this ... how can anyone know for sure that Todd doesn't have some idea if some of LP's RNG picks have hit a jackpot or two. Everything generated by the RNGs could possibilty be saved or recorded and cross-checked on a computer.

He wouldn't have any idea who had hit or when the hit actually occurred if it was six months into the future ... but if a LP RNG set of numbers also happen to show up within a week or two on a state game ... since you pick the state games you want QPs for ... or the MM and PB in general ... another fluke ! ... only Todd knows for sure.

... or another "Mystery of the Sea" !

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    Posted: February 24, 2015, 11:07 pm - IP Logged

    This topic has been covered numerous times.

    The numbers on all Quick Pick lottery tickets are generated by the lottery terminal that prints out the ticket.  They are not generated by a remote server someplace.

    The numbers are generated by the lottery terminal, and then the numbers are sent to the remote server for recording (the lottery records ALL tickets that are played, obviously) -- exactly in the same manner that your own picks/numbers are sent and recorded.

    I have personally verified this with equipment manufacturers as well as various state lotteries.

    Lottery terminals do have have great random number generators.  They are psuedo-random number generators, so it is unsurprising that "flukes" would occur in which similar numbers come out from time to time.  It is the nature of the beast.

    That's why many people who want random numbers use Lottery Post's Quick Picks Generator, which uses an advanced cryptographic library to generate random numbers that are much closer to "truly random" than the lottery terminal will ever achieve.

    Note that being truly random does not make the Lottery Post QP Generator more likely to win, it means the numbers are more random.

    Ok, well I guess that answers that. So, when the machine is down that means that the WAN connection to the central serve is down.

    Is the RNG proprietary software for each State that's loaded into the machine or is it some form of firmware, that's built in to the device.

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      Posted: February 24, 2015, 11:21 pm - IP Logged

      Everything generated by the RNGs could possibilty be saved or recorded and cross-checked on a computer.

      True but it would be a waste of time and memory for Todd to do it for every set of numbers generated by every member but not for someone running their own individual test to compare the LP generator with another one.  But like Todd mentioned in his post a better random generator is no guarantee of a better result.

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        Posted: February 25, 2015, 12:26 am - IP Logged

        I've never read of a jackpot winner confessing to being a LP member let alone using the LP QP Generator.

        I Agree!

        I must have missed something because if somebody uses combos generated by LP RNG or another, the tickets are self picks. Lotteries keep records of all the QPs and self picks they sell to verify winning tickets, but I can't think of any logical reason why LP would keep records.

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          Posted: February 25, 2015, 12:30 am - IP Logged

          I hit a Pick 4 boxed a few years ago using LP's RNG.

          Did you use the "convert words and phrases" RNG?

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            Posted: February 25, 2015, 2:50 am - IP Logged

            Everything generated by the RNGs could possibilty be saved or recorded and cross-checked on a computer.

            True but it would be a waste of time and memory for Todd to do it for every set of numbers generated by every member but not for someone running their own individual test to compare the LP generator with another one.  But like Todd mentioned in his post a better random generator is no guarantee of a better result.

            Yes, in agreement ... I was just joking around and threw it out for discussion. Since computers can basically do all the work but why bother.

            At least there was a discussion about RNGs and maybe some new facts about them and lottery terminals ... a little better idea of how the system works.

            Going back to my earlier post and the Florida PB story ... those four tickets only made news because those numbers happen to be drawn that night ... if other numbers had been drawn, probably no one would have had any idea that four people just happen to have the same QP numbers in one Florida county.

            Which brings up a quick thought ... maybe something like that happens more than you would think but if the numbers don't come out that night, the tickets are thrown away and no one has a clue that there were four or six tickets, all with the same numbers in one area.

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              Posted: February 25, 2015, 7:33 am - IP Logged

              Did you use the "convert words and phrases" RNG?

              Convert Words and Phrases to Lottery Numbers is not a RNG.  It is deterministic, meaning it will produce exactly the same numbers every time for a specific word or phrase.  It is case-sensitive, so different numbers will be produced for "test", "Test", and "TEST".

               

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                Posted: February 25, 2015, 6:30 pm - IP Logged

                Another question?  So for these PseudoRngs (tied to an algorithm) that the lottery terminals use, is the same algorithm used for each terminal?

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                  Posted: February 25, 2015, 11:20 pm - IP Logged

                  Another question?  So for these PseudoRngs (tied to an algorithm) that the lottery terminals use, is the same algorithm used for each terminal?

                  It would probably be the same for all machines of a particular brand.

                   

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                    Posted: February 26, 2015, 6:08 pm - IP Logged

                    It would probably be the same for all machines of a particular brand.

                    Thanks Todd. This is all very interesting!

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                      Posted: March 19, 2015, 2:33 pm - IP Logged

                      In my area lottery tickets are brought from terminals that are connected by satellite to the state computer and when one in town has trouble, they all do.

                      I wasn't implying that the numbers were picked by the state computer only that the numbers picked by the terminals were reported to the state computer.

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