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Posted: May 21, 2016, 10:14 am - IP Logged

I've been reading LP posts for over 10 years.
One thing I've noticed is that a lot of lottery players, based on what they post, have never viewed
an actual drawing.
Texas has ball machine drawings that are streamed on-line 4 times per day.
The website is txlottery.org.
It would interesting reading to know what players see during an actual drawing.
If you have some extra time, request you visit the site, watch the drawings and then file
a reply to this post detailing your thoughts.
Personally, I would really like to know what action is taking place that makes folks
believe some type of mathematics is involved.
Thanks for your participation.

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    I've been reading LP posts for over 10 years.
    One thing I've noticed is that a lot of lottery players, based on what they post, have never viewed
    an actual drawing.
    Texas has ball machine drawings that are streamed on-line 4 times per day.
    The website is txlottery.org.
    It would interesting reading to know what players see during an actual drawing.
    If you have some extra time, request you visit the site, watch the drawings and then file
    a reply to this post detailing your thoughts.
    Personally, I would really like to know what action is taking place that makes folks
    believe some type of mathematics is involved.
    Thanks for your participation.

    Does watching the drawing indicate the Ball Set or Machine used in the Drawing?

    A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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      Posted: May 21, 2016, 11:08 am - IP Logged

      Does watching the drawing indicate the Ball Set or Machine used in the Drawing?

      Folks who conduct the drawings have a confidential method for choosing the machines and ball sets.
      However, that information is made public on the pre-test reporting page.
      The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.
      Just about everything a player needs to know is available.

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        Posted: May 21, 2016, 11:27 am - IP Logged

        Folks who conduct the drawings have a confidential method for choosing the machines and ball sets.
        However, that information is made public on the pre-test reporting page.
        The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.
        Just about everything a player needs to know is available.

        How does someone access the pre-test reporting page?  Went to WI lottery website and can't find anything.

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          How does someone access the pre-test reporting page?  Went to WI lottery website and can't find anything.

          Not all states publish pre-tests.
          The methods used for tests are no different from the actual winning drawings, just different results.
          If Wisconsin is using mechanical ball machines, the selection should be the same as Texas, or any other state using mechanical machines.
          If, however, your state is using computers - well, that's a different story.
          We can't monitor the selection process but whatever method is used is probably standardized and replicated for the drawings.
          For example, we know that California uses two computer methods for their pick 3 games. However the particular method used for a drawing
          is not public information, nor is any pre-testing.

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            Posted: May 21, 2016, 3:53 pm - IP Logged

            Folks who conduct the drawings have a confidential method for choosing the machines and ball sets.
            However, that information is made public on the pre-test reporting page.
            The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.
            Just about everything a player needs to know is available.

            I've always wondered why they have to have so many machines and ball sets to begin with. I get that they want to avoid any tampering with the machines or balls. But a few years ago on one of the Comcast channels, could have been one of the On Demand channels, they had a demonstration of the lottery drawing.

            They showed everything from going into the room where everything is kept, unlocking the case where the balls are, right up to the drawing. With all the security they had just to get into the room tampering is practically impossible.

            As best as I can remember, first off everything is video taped. At least 2 people went thru a locked door, then down a hall where they were each issued a card from security. When they came to another locked door, both people had to read off a serial number that was on a tab connected to a metal wire that went thru a handle on the door. The wire was then cut and given to a third person who verified with a fourth, that the serial number was the one installed when the door was locked the day before. Then the two people with the cards had to insert them simultaneously to unlock the door for the room with the machines and balls.

            They picked a machine to use for the drawing, then unlocked a cabinet to get the ball set. Then they weighed and measured the balls, did a few practice runs (pretests) to make sure the machine worked properly then wheeled it out for the drawing. After the drawing everything was done again in reverse to put everything away. According to them the whole process took around 3 hours. They did say the machines and ball sets were chosen randomly, but didn't say how.

            "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

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              Posted: May 21, 2016, 4:44 pm - IP Logged

              Just wondering, all of the ball sets are the same for each machine correct?  Example, for each machine, same amount of balls and the same numbered balls.

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                Posted: May 21, 2016, 6:07 pm - IP Logged

                Just wondering, all of the ball sets are the same for each machine correct?  Example, for each machine, same amount of balls and the same numbered balls.

                There are 3 machines for Pick 3 and 12 or more ball sets with each set having 10 numbered balls.
                Each machine has 3 separate but attached vessels.
                The machine and ball sets are chosen according to a confidential plan.
                In Pick 3, there are 10 balls in each of the 3 vessels; in Daily 4 there are 10 balls in each of 4 vessels.
                If there were fewer or more than 10 balls in a vessel the drawing would be corrupt, and someone would probably
                be looking for another job.
                Watch the machines at work and report what you see.

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                  Posted: May 21, 2016, 6:28 pm - IP Logged

                  Folks who conduct the drawings have a confidential method for choosing the machines and ball sets.
                  However, that information is made public on the pre-test reporting page.
                  The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.
                  Just about everything a player needs to know is available.

                  The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.

                  Is this accurate? Do they post the pre-test results in time enough for a player to review, get their own numbers ready, and then play them? Or, are you saying that they simply post the pre-test results before they post the official draw results? Unless I'm missing something somewhere, I don't think players are afforded the pleasure of reviewing the results prior to the official. The next draw is in less than an hour and I'll be checking. You actually have a great thread here, in my opinion, and I feel I have something to offer. As it stands, I see (1) four draw session conducted for 5/21/2016 and we've already had the morning and day draw, right? Supposed to be (2) sets of pre-tests posted I believe. The site says, though, that it conducts pre-tests before EACH Pick3 official draw....nothing about posting results before the pending live draw. Now, ALL tests are supposed to be posted prior to the next set of pre-tests along with official results.

                  Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

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                    Posted: May 21, 2016, 6:46 pm - IP Logged

                    The results of the 4 or 6 pre-tests are posted PRIOR to the game winning drawings.

                    Is this accurate? Do they post the pre-test results in time enough for a player to review, get their own numbers ready, and then play them? Or, are you saying that they simply post the pre-test results before they post the official draw results? Unless I'm missing something somewhere, I don't think players are afforded the pleasure of reviewing the results prior to the official. The next draw is in less than an hour and I'll be checking. You actually have a great thread here, in my opinion, and I feel I have something to offer. As it stands, I see (1) four draw session conducted for 5/21/2016 and we've already had the morning and day draw, right? Supposed to be (2) sets of pre-tests posted I believe. The site says, though, that it conducts pre-tests before EACH Pick3 official draw....nothing about posting results before the pending live draw. Now, ALL tests are supposed to be posted prior to the next set of pre-tests along with official results.

                    I just checked 5:40 p.m. and the 4 pretests for May 21 Pick 3 evening draw (6 p.m.) are already posted.

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                      I just checked 5:40 p.m. and the 4 pretests for May 21 Pick 3 evening draw (6 p.m.) are already posted.

                      Hmmm, interesting...but, I guess so. Here's the kicker, though, in my opinion which is the 'window' they leave for the player to do their diligence (view results), get numbers together, and play 'em in time:

                       

                      http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/lottery/Games/Pick_3/

                       

                      *Ticket sales are not available during Draw Break, from 9:50 – 10:03 a.m., 12:17 – 12:30 p.m.,5:50 – 6:03 p.m. and 10:02 - 10:15 p.m. CT.

                       

                      I'm about to leave but, once I get to where I'm going, I'll be back to chat more. Interesting topic.

                      Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                      There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                      #lotto-4-a-living

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                        Hmmm, interesting...but, I guess so. Here's the kicker, though, in my opinion which is the 'window' they leave for the player to do their diligence (view results), get numbers together, and play 'em in time:

                         

                        http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/lottery/Games/Pick_3/

                         

                        *Ticket sales are not available during Draw Break, from 9:50 – 10:03 a.m., 12:17 – 12:30 p.m.,5:50 – 6:03 p.m. and 10:02 - 10:15 p.m. CT.

                         

                        I'm about to leave but, once I get to where I'm going, I'll be back to chat more. Interesting topic.

                        I don't think the lottery is concerned about the so-called 'window' of opportunity for players to adjust their betting schemes.
                        I think the team that conducts the tests and official drawing have a schedule and post the pre-test draw results at certain times.
                        Apparently there is at least one hour between the last pre-test and official drawing, which is plenty of time for adjustments, if the player
                        has a computer and can get to a terminal before the draw break.
                        There are times when a test combination is repeated in the official drawing.
                        Personally, I don't pay attention to the test results because they are not a factor in my workout.

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                          I don't think the lottery is concerned about the so-called 'window' of opportunity for players to adjust their betting schemes.
                          I think the team that conducts the tests and official drawing have a schedule and post the pre-test draw results at certain times.
                          Apparently there is at least one hour between the last pre-test and official drawing, which is plenty of time for adjustments, if the player
                          has a computer and can get to a terminal before the draw break.
                          There are times when a test combination is repeated in the official drawing.
                          Personally, I don't pay attention to the test results because they are not a factor in my workout.

                          Yeah, I get it on the non-dependency aspect of pre-tests and I don't pay attention to them either. But, there may be those who have methods which would benefit from that opportunity. Looks like they shut things down ten minutes prior to actual start of the process. So, for the last draw tonight, I'm going to try and see exactly what time they post pre-test results. I'm curious like that.

                          Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                          There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                          #lotto-4-a-living

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                            Okay, looks like I was wrong, the results are posted up in a reasonable amount of time. Goes to show just how much attention I pay to something I never use or need. It still seems like they go through an awful lot just to pull a single ball from each pool. I mean, those machines are expensive and quality assured as are the ball sets.  I've often brought up the idea of casinos and the idea of the dealer passing out cards to each player four times before dealing out an 'official hand.' 

                            What about the Craps guy rolling out the dice four times, to make sure the dice are working correctly...and not loaded? Then, there's the Roulette guy...is he gonna spin the table four times before an 'official spin?'  The fact that such measures are absent in casinos has always made me wonder about draw games in general...even though I'm successful in my endeavors anyway. It was still an obstacle in my early days of playing the game and trying to learn ways around their BS.

                            Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                            There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                            #lotto-4-a-living

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                              Okay, looks like I was wrong, the results are posted up in a reasonable amount of time. Goes to show just how much attention I pay to something I never use or need. It still seems like they go through an awful lot just to pull a single ball from each pool. I mean, those machines are expensive and quality assured as are the ball sets.  I've often brought up the idea of casinos and the idea of the dealer passing out cards to each player four times before dealing out an 'official hand.' 

                              What about the Craps guy rolling out the dice four times, to make sure the dice are working correctly...and not loaded? Then, there's the Roulette guy...is he gonna spin the table four times before an 'official spin?'  The fact that such measures are absent in casinos has always made me wonder about draw games in general...even though I'm successful in my endeavors anyway. It was still an obstacle in my early days of playing the game and trying to learn ways around their BS.

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