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Okay, looks like I was wrong, the results are posted up in a reasonable amount of time. Goes to show just how much attention I pay to something I never use or need. It still seems like they go through an awful lot just to pull a single ball from each pool. I mean, those machines are expensive and quality assured as are the ball sets.  I've often brought up the idea of casinos and the idea of the dealer passing out cards to each player four times before dealing out an 'official hand.' 

What about the Craps guy rolling out the dice four times, to make sure the dice are working correctly...and not loaded? Then, there's the Roulette guy...is he gonna spin the table four times before an 'official spin?'  The fact that such measures are absent in casinos has always made me wonder about draw games in general...even though I'm successful in my endeavors anyway. It was still an obstacle in my early days of playing the game and trying to learn ways around their BS.

Pre tests are kind of like going out at night every 10-15 minutes to start your car, because you want to make sure it starts when you leave for work in the morning. But it really doesn't matter, because if the battery dies, it ain't gonna start in the morning no matter how many times you started it that night.

If the lottery machine screws up, it's gonna screw up no matter how many pre tests they do. So why do them?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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    A discussion about pre-tests is educational, but, I want to know what folks see while watching the machines at work.
    I estimate that 90 percent or more of the systems and workouts are based on mathematical models - adding, subtracting, etc.
    I've watched hundreds of drawings and I've never seen anything that would make me believe that winning integer selections are
    managed by an algorithm or math formula, but, maybe I'm missing something.
    There are no IV's or other features that give the balls life and value.
    They are nothing more than just a fixed number of dead balls blown around by air.
    So the question is - What chance do these systems and workouts have in coming up with winning integers if they are based
    on a major fallacy?
    We can't reverse engineer the machines.
    All we can do is come up with analytical models that try to duplicate the chaos in the mixing vessels.
    It seems that doing stuff that doesn't replicate the chaos at some level is a waste of time, not to mention the expense.
    My humble opinion, of course.

    Are the pre-tests justified?
    Certainly the lottery must make sure their equipment is functioning properly and the winning integers are selected on a random basis.
    It's interesting that in Texas the switch to alternate machines and ball sets is a rare occurrence.
    My opinion is that the lottery is in business to make as much money as possible.
    The pre-tests definitely give the state an advantage over system players.
    But, as the Chair of the Texas Lottery Commission often says - "That's the way it is. You don't have to play."
    Not an exact quote but the message is clear.

    I'm looking forward to what other players think, if there are any.

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      I think there are so many math based systems because the people who use them are catching, or trying to catch, the short term patterns that they see. It works for a short time, then the pattern changes and they more on to a new system.

       

      I'd rather watch for patterns like hot/cold/followers myself. These patterns appear to play out over longer timeframes, giving more opportunities to catch them in action.  But watching a single drawing gives no clue why these patterns would work either.

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        I have watched a draw, a long time ago. Funny about the math option of picking numbers. When I pick numbers for a jackpot game, it's usually a set of numbers that weren't drawn in the last draw. Also, I will leave out all the 50's when I pick numbers for Texas Lotto. It's simply a way to filter out numbers that I picked up from BobP. Doesn't work all the time, but neither does a QP.

        When I play P3 or P4, I have used math. I usually play the day draw, and I'll take the first draw of the month for that particular draw and mirror the numbers, or 1 up, 1 down. Again, just a way to pick numbers. It works once in a while. But I also have a couple of pet numbers for P4 that have never come in straight. I'll play one of those now and then.

        But, you are correct in that math really has nothing to do with balls being blown around a chamber. I also never pay much attention to the pretests. They don't count for the real draw, so why worry about them. I do like the fact that Texas is one of the most transparent lotteries in the world, if not the most transparent. And they don't make any bones about the fact that they are in business to make money. Just read the commission meeting minutes. I don't have any problem with any business making money. That's what it's in business for. For those who would say it's greed, well, at what level does it become greed? What dollar amount? And who gets to decide that threshold? Those folks are just envious and jealous.

        The Chairman was right. No one is forced to play.

        CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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          I've been reading LP posts for over 10 years.
          One thing I've noticed is that a lot of lottery players, based on what they post, have never viewed
          an actual drawing.
          Texas has ball machine drawings that are streamed on-line 4 times per day.
          The website is txlottery.org.
          It would interesting reading to know what players see during an actual drawing.
          If you have some extra time, request you visit the site, watch the drawings and then file
          a reply to this post detailing your thoughts.
          Personally, I would really like to know what action is taking place that makes folks
          believe some type of mathematics is involved.
          Thanks for your participation.

          Thanks for the responses.
          But I was hoping for comments about the action of the machines in the drawing process.
          Seems most folks are comfortable analyzing the 'output' (winning integers) with little or no thought about how
          the integers are chosen.
          There are hundreds of statistics, charts, etc, that originators say can help a player come up with a winning combination, but
          in reality have few if any clues anyone can use to decide what to play.
          I find this odd because, generally speaking, how can we understand the output if we don't consider the chaos
          in the mixing vessels or chambers.
          We can bet that the lottery folks know exactly what the machines are capable of.
          The proof is in the sales reports that clearly show that the state has the advantage and is happily taking money from players
          who don't realize and appreciate what they are up against.
          Perhaps it would be better approach if I describe what I see, which is apparently quite different from what others see.
          I'm going to use a simplified approach with emphasis on Pick 3.
          This will take some time that I don't have at the moment.
          So, stay tuned.

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            Thanks for the responses.
            But I was hoping for comments about the action of the machines in the drawing process.
            Seems most folks are comfortable analyzing the 'output' (winning integers) with little or no thought about how
            the integers are chosen.
            There are hundreds of statistics, charts, etc, that originators say can help a player come up with a winning combination, but
            in reality have few if any clues anyone can use to decide what to play.
            I find this odd because, generally speaking, how can we understand the output if we don't consider the chaos
            in the mixing vessels or chambers.
            We can bet that the lottery folks know exactly what the machines are capable of.
            The proof is in the sales reports that clearly show that the state has the advantage and is happily taking money from players
            who don't realize and appreciate what they are up against.
            Perhaps it would be better approach if I describe what I see, which is apparently quite different from what others see.
            I'm going to use a simplified approach with emphasis on Pick 3.
            This will take some time that I don't have at the moment.
            So, stay tuned.

            Ok, I understand what you are asking.

            I think you kinda answered already yourself. I don't see any understanding of the output because it is chaos in the mixing vessels. It's trying to make sense of random chaos. Pick 3 is the only game this is remotely possible, only because there are "only" 1000 possibilities (for straights). As for jackpot games, there are just too many combinations.

            I have read in the meeting minutes before that they know when a triple or quad is drawn in P3 or P4, they are going to lose a huge amount of money. And they're ok with that. Because they will make a crap load of money every other draw.

            I was just testing a method for P3 this morning using 1 up, 1 down for Texas. Back testing back to the beginning of the year I would have shown about a $700+ profit. Of course, past results do not guarantee future results. LOL.

            CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

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              I have watched a draw, a long time ago. Funny about the math option of picking numbers. When I pick numbers for a jackpot game, it's usually a set of numbers that weren't drawn in the last draw. Also, I will leave out all the 50's when I pick numbers for Texas Lotto. It's simply a way to filter out numbers that I picked up from BobP. Doesn't work all the time, but neither does a QP.

              When I play P3 or P4, I have used math. I usually play the day draw, and I'll take the first draw of the month for that particular draw and mirror the numbers, or 1 up, 1 down. Again, just a way to pick numbers. It works once in a while. But I also have a couple of pet numbers for P4 that have never come in straight. I'll play one of those now and then.

              But, you are correct in that math really has nothing to do with balls being blown around a chamber. I also never pay much attention to the pretests. They don't count for the real draw, so why worry about them. I do like the fact that Texas is one of the most transparent lotteries in the world, if not the most transparent. And they don't make any bones about the fact that they are in business to make money. Just read the commission meeting minutes. I don't have any problem with any business making money. That's what it's in business for. For those who would say it's greed, well, at what level does it become greed? What dollar amount? And who gets to decide that threshold? Those folks are just envious and jealous.

              The Chairman was right. No one is forced to play.

              Claim:  But, you are correct in that math really has nothing to do with balls being blown around a chamber.

              Answer: True!

              You know, I've gotta be very careful in how I approach this. It has always made me wonder how and where people come up with such mathematical equations for combining simple numbers. I mean, just think about some of the software that's marketed with even the Pi = 3.14 basis for a 0-9 game! I've seen 'charts' and the term 'index' used along with so many others which come darn close to calculus-type assessments...all of which is not even required in my opinion. The only math absolutely required in this game applies to the cost of how the player will run their combos i.e. str8/boxed/pairs, the addition or reduction of combos from their list and how it affects final cost with profit, loss, or break even. While the player is assembling combos, part of their method may entail the sum of either two or all three positions but, THAT'S IT. Both you and bobby623 are completely on point with your emphasis on the absence of math.

              All I see in a draw process is high dollar ping pong balls being agitated by a high dollar suction machine. Once it draws out one ball from each chamber, you can apply sums, one odd with two evens, one even with two odds, all odd, all even, high, low, or mid-range in position. What am I leaving on the table here? It's great for players to know and apply good math but, WHERE they're attempting to apply it seems to be where the disconnect is.

              As far as what the good Chairman has to say, he's being brutally honest but, he's also seriously taking for granted the players that make these games a success. In my opinion, that statement almost conveys that players are so desperate for this game of chance that they would never just stop playing in a 'mass exodus-type fashion.' Kinda ballsy to me. It would prolly never happen but, just think if even 50% of avid players decided to just quit with all games across the board and sales plummeted. I can guarantee that he'd change his tune then, and, I often wish people would just send such a message to show them just who actually runs this deal. The players do.

              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

              #lotto-4-a-living

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                Claim:  But, you are correct in that math really has nothing to do with balls being blown around a chamber.

                Answer: True!

                You know, I've gotta be very careful in how I approach this. It has always made me wonder how and where people come up with such mathematical equations for combining simple numbers. I mean, just think about some of the software that's marketed with even the Pi = 3.14 basis for a 0-9 game! I've seen 'charts' and the term 'index' used along with so many others which come darn close to calculus-type assessments...all of which is not even required in my opinion. The only math absolutely required in this game applies to the cost of how the player will run their combos i.e. str8/boxed/pairs, the addition or reduction of combos from their list and how it affects final cost with profit, loss, or break even. While the player is assembling combos, part of their method may entail the sum of either two or all three positions but, THAT'S IT. Both you and bobby623 are completely on point with your emphasis on the absence of math.

                All I see in a draw process is high dollar ping pong balls being agitated by a high dollar suction machine. Once it draws out one ball from each chamber, you can apply sums, one odd with two evens, one even with two odds, all odd, all even, high, low, or mid-range in position. What am I leaving on the table here? It's great for players to know and apply good math but, WHERE they're attempting to apply it seems to be where the disconnect is.

                As far as what the good Chairman has to say, he's being brutally honest but, he's also seriously taking for granted the players that make these games a success. In my opinion, that statement almost conveys that players are so desperate for this game of chance that they would never just stop playing in a 'mass exodus-type fashion.' Kinda ballsy to me. It would prolly never happen but, just think if even 50% of avid players decided to just quit with all games across the board and sales plummeted. I can guarantee that he'd change his tune then, and, I often wish people would just send such a message to show them just who actually runs this deal. The players do.

                Thanks, Lotto Loser, for your views.
                I wish I could explain my purpose in short simple post.
                But, alas, not possible.
                Winning a lottery game is hard work.
                First of all, please understand that I mean no malice, insults or other negative to anyone
                who may be interested in these posts, and have strong views on what does and doesn't work.
                I do it just to refresh our memories about what we think we know about Pick 3 in Texas.
                We are agreed that the winning integers are the result of a lot of chaos in the mixing vessels with escape gates that open and close according to a confidential plan.
                Also, we know for a fact that the vessels have no mathematical features that manipulate the outcomes.
                It's random chance from beginning to end.
                Further, there are no administrative features that tabulate the digits, pairs, highs, lows, etc.
                These are man-made observations, or as one poster calls "make believe" systems.
                The fact that some of these so-called systems do provide winning integers from time to time is coincidental, and not based on any action in the mixing vessels.
                The folks who engineered the apparatus for Pick 3 know exactly how many times any
                one event can occur in the mixing vessels before they are activated. However, once the
                chaos begins they don't know what the actual outcome will be any more than the players.
                It would seem then that the views about the 'odds' and 'probability' of this or that happening in the real Pick 3 world is just a lot of educated guesswork, which is regularly defeated by the mixing apparatus.
                At the same time, there are some gifted folks who, with little or no effort, somehow seem to know the answers to the 'what's next' question and are winning a lot more often than us not so gifted folks are.
                So, getting right to it, I believe this statement is 100 per cent correct.
                "THERE ARE NO SYSTEMS OR METHODS, REAL OR IMAGINED, THAT CAN KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT THE NEXT WINNING COMBINATION WILL BE"
                So, what do we do??
                Well, if you take a close look at the chaos in the mixing vessels and give some thought to
                what you are seeing, you will suddenly realize that there is a way to make some valid decisions about what might happen next.
                The decision won't be precise, but will be close enough to make play Pick 3 profitable at some level.
                I invite you to take a close look at any vessel with 10 digits being disturbed by compressed air.
                In your minds eye, freeze the process.
                Here's what I see.
                1. No two balls can occupy the same space at the same time.
                2. There is a measurable space between any two balls.
                Further, my intellect is shouting - how can you measure the space between balls during the
                mixing process!!!!?????
                "You can't," is the obvious answer.
                Not even a super computer can figure that out.
                Ok, why did I bring it up?
                Well, there is a solution, but it's a rather involved process requiring a lot of time, diligence,
                accuracy and ability to correctly analyze facts.
                It's called 'substitution' and I'll explain how it works in subsequent posts.
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                  All States Pick3 and Pick4  drawings are  computer generated.

                  Random numbers never follow MONTHLY Date Pattern.  BUT pick3 and pick4 drawings exactly follow dates as in the processor clock( pls don't ask me what is processor clock for right now)

                   

                  If the drawings are random ball, then why TEXAS pick3 drawingpair 69 just popping up on DATES 09,07,02

                  Tue, May 17, 2016TexasPick 3 Night6-9-2, Sum It Up: 17
                  Fri, Apr 29, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-6-5, Sum It Up: 20
                  Thu, Apr 14, 2016TexasPick 3 Day6-9-0, Sum It Up: 15
                  Tue, Apr 12, 2016TexasPick 3 Evening9-6-1, Sum It Up: 16
                  Tue, Apr 12, 2016TexasPick 3 Morning4-6-9, Sum It Up: 19
                  Sat, Apr 9, 2016TexasPick 3 Night9-2-6, Sum It Up: 17
                  Thu, Apr 7, 2016TexasPick 3 Night4-6-9, Sum It Up: 19
                  Fri, Mar 25, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-5-6, Sum It Up: 20
                  Fri, Mar 25, 2016TexasPick 3 Evening9-3-6, Sum It Up: 18
                  Thu, Mar 24, 2016TexasPick 3 Night5-9-6, Sum It Up: 20
                  Tue, Mar 22, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-6-3, Sum It Up: 18

                  "You know you are on the road to success if you would do your job and not be paid  for it." - Oprah Winfrey

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                    NEW YORK ...

                    TODAY IS  22nd...we know computer will generate pair from 02-09-07 date pattern..algo CLOCK

                    391 MAY 22 --pair 91

                    921 MAY 17---pair 92.91

                    892 MAY 12-- pair 92

                    -----------------------------

                    FLORIDA

                    4169 MAY 22---pair 69

                    9693 MAY 19--pair 69

                    6098 MAY 17---pair 69

                     

                    IS THIS RANDOM? LOL..No No

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                      All States Pick3 and Pick4  drawings are  computer generated.

                      Random numbers never follow MONTHLY Date Pattern.  BUT pick3 and pick4 drawings exactly follow dates as in the processor clock( pls don't ask me what is processor clock for right now)

                       

                      If the drawings are random ball, then why TEXAS pick3 drawingpair 69 just popping up on DATES 09,07,02

                      Tue, May 17, 2016TexasPick 3 Night6-9-2, Sum It Up: 17
                      Fri, Apr 29, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-6-5, Sum It Up: 20
                      Thu, Apr 14, 2016TexasPick 3 Day6-9-0, Sum It Up: 15
                      Tue, Apr 12, 2016TexasPick 3 Evening9-6-1, Sum It Up: 16
                      Tue, Apr 12, 2016TexasPick 3 Morning4-6-9, Sum It Up: 19
                      Sat, Apr 9, 2016TexasPick 3 Night9-2-6, Sum It Up: 17
                      Thu, Apr 7, 2016TexasPick 3 Night4-6-9, Sum It Up: 19
                      Fri, Mar 25, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-5-6, Sum It Up: 20
                      Fri, Mar 25, 2016TexasPick 3 Evening9-3-6, Sum It Up: 18
                      Thu, Mar 24, 2016TexasPick 3 Night5-9-6, Sum It Up: 20
                      Tue, Mar 22, 2016TexasPick 3 Day9-6-3, Sum It Up: 18

                      Well its plain as day that in Texas the draws are not RNG. It doesn't matter what pairs pop up on what dates. With 4 draws a day you are likely to see a lot of coincidental things like dates and numbers. 

                      Let's just watch what Bobby has to show us. Might even learn something!

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                        It's said that Pick 3 is an easy game to win because there are only 1000 combinations to worry about.
                        There are hundreds of LP posts that would have us believe that winning is just a matter of massaging a few digits, doing a little math, accumulating a few statistics, reversing the fields, selecting digits that match the day of the month; computing roots and sums; applying one of a few dozen filters that reduce the playing field, playing Shadow numbers (VTRACs), turning things upside down, playing only combinations having the best odds, etc, etc.
                        I would think that if any of these methods and their fancy charts are really paying off, why are they being discussed in a forum.
                        Wow, if I had a fail-safe system some folks claim they have, I certainly wouldn't be here.
                        I'd be out claiming my wins and laughing all the way to the bank.
                        It would be good if our lottery folks would tell us in the sales reports how many Pick 3 wins are QPs, as opposed to personal picks.
                        Personally, I think the QPs are winning by a landslide.
                        Again, I think most players know that coming up with winning digits often enough to make the work worthwhile is a hard row to hoe, so to speak.
                        Bottom line - I'm about to describe some methods that require a lot of time and dedication, but no guarantees.
                        Do they work?
                        Well, not all the time but often enough to keep me interested.
                        I can't post winning tickets but I have sent a few copies to members via emails.
                        It all boils down to luck, experience, intellect and ability to generate tracking charts that present useful clues.
                        If you (generic) are looking for something easy, you might just move on to something else.

                        Spacing between balls in a mixing vessel and substitution.

                        What do they have in common?
                        Unfortunately, as smart as we are our brains just can't keep up with the chaos in a Pick 3 mixing vessel having 10 balls.
                        But we know for a fact that there is a space between each and every ball.
                        The spaces are measurable, but we don't have to know the exact dimensions.
                        Still, trying to track the spaces is too much to handle.
                        If we believe that space analysis can help us win, then we need to figure out how to reduce the problem.
                        As an aside - the lottery folks can replace the machines and the balls, but they can't control the spaces.
                        The obvious choice, of course, is to reduce the number of balls from 10 to a smaller number.
                        That number is 3 or 4.
                        In other words, we break the one Pick 3 game mixing vessel down into 3 major parts for subsequent analysis.
                        Vessel A is for digits 1, 2, and 3, Vessel B is for digits 4, 5 and 6, Vessel C is for digits
                        7,8,9 and 0.
                        When we take a close look at Vessel A the spacing between the 3 balls is clearly evident, but still too difficult for our brain to follow.
                        We need a couple of tools to aid our analysis.
                        The tools are graph paper and pencils.
                        Next, we apply the power of substitution to help measure the spaces between the balls.
                        Fortunately, we don't need precise measurements. All we need is something to discriminate between the spaces.
                        We can do this by designating the space between digit 1 and 2 as '1'; the space between digits 1 and 3 as '2' and the space between digits 2 and 3 as '3'.
                        There is a rationale for these assignments but now is not the time to present it.
                        The fact that the actual measurements range from almost nothing to  the most distant point in the vessel is not a consideration.
                        Now we have 3 digits being blown around by compressed air.
                        A gate opens and one of the 3 digits becomes an 'output'.
                        We log these outputs in a single column on a graph paper tracking chart, which is called  "Main A."
                        We won't know what the 'space' is until we have a second output from Vessel A.
                        Over a period of drawings the output column get longer and longer, and we begin assigning
                        space values.
                        I call them Gaps.
                        There is a method for making this computation, but we don't need to explore it at this time.
                        Suffice it to say that we will eventually have two columns of information - the lottery digits
                        and corresponding Gap numbers.
                        We continue this process until we reach a point where we will have enough tracking data with clues that will help us choose the 'A' digits having the best chance of being in the next winning combination, if we have reason to believe that there will an 'A digit' in the permutation.
                        There is a method for determining which of several possible structures will determine the winning combination.
                        And that's it for now.
                        I'm almost positive, based on prior history, that most folks who have been reading these posts will now move on to something else - because they don't believe it will work or because it requires more work than they want to give.
                        So, I'm going to step back and see what happens.
                        Thanks for your interest.
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                          One question, maybe premature, but I'm wondering if you treat each digit position separately, or all 3 positions together? It sounds like you're tracking them separately.

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                            It's said that Pick 3 is an easy game to win because there are only 1000 combinations to worry about.
                            There are hundreds of LP posts that would have us believe that winning is just a matter of massaging a few digits, doing a little math, accumulating a few statistics, reversing the fields, selecting digits that match the day of the month; computing roots and sums; applying one of a few dozen filters that reduce the playing field, playing Shadow numbers (VTRACs), turning things upside down, playing only combinations having the best odds, etc, etc.
                            I would think that if any of these methods and their fancy charts are really paying off, why are they being discussed in a forum.
                            Wow, if I had a fail-safe system some folks claim they have, I certainly wouldn't be here.
                            I'd be out claiming my wins and laughing all the way to the bank.
                            It would be good if our lottery folks would tell us in the sales reports how many Pick 3 wins are QPs, as opposed to personal picks.
                            Personally, I think the QPs are winning by a landslide.
                            Again, I think most players know that coming up with winning digits often enough to make the work worthwhile is a hard row to hoe, so to speak.
                            Bottom line - I'm about to describe some methods that require a lot of time and dedication, but no guarantees.
                            Do they work?
                            Well, not all the time but often enough to keep me interested.
                            I can't post winning tickets but I have sent a few copies to members via emails.
                            It all boils down to luck, experience, intellect and ability to generate tracking charts that present useful clues.
                            If you (generic) are looking for something easy, you might just move on to something else.

                            Spacing between balls in a mixing vessel and substitution.

                            What do they have in common?
                            Unfortunately, as smart as we are our brains just can't keep up with the chaos in a Pick 3 mixing vessel having 10 balls.
                            But we know for a fact that there is a space between each and every ball.
                            The spaces are measurable, but we don't have to know the exact dimensions.
                            Still, trying to track the spaces is too much to handle.
                            If we believe that space analysis can help us win, then we need to figure out how to reduce the problem.
                            As an aside - the lottery folks can replace the machines and the balls, but they can't control the spaces.
                            The obvious choice, of course, is to reduce the number of balls from 10 to a smaller number.
                            That number is 3 or 4.
                            In other words, we break the one Pick 3 game mixing vessel down into 3 major parts for subsequent analysis.
                            Vessel A is for digits 1, 2, and 3, Vessel B is for digits 4, 5 and 6, Vessel C is for digits
                            7,8,9 and 0.
                            When we take a close look at Vessel A the spacing between the 3 balls is clearly evident, but still too difficult for our brain to follow.
                            We need a couple of tools to aid our analysis.
                            The tools are graph paper and pencils.
                            Next, we apply the power of substitution to help measure the spaces between the balls.
                            Fortunately, we don't need precise measurements. All we need is something to discriminate between the spaces.
                            We can do this by designating the space between digit 1 and 2 as '1'; the space between digits 1 and 3 as '2' and the space between digits 2 and 3 as '3'.
                            There is a rationale for these assignments but now is not the time to present it.
                            The fact that the actual measurements range from almost nothing to  the most distant point in the vessel is not a consideration.
                            Now we have 3 digits being blown around by compressed air.
                            A gate opens and one of the 3 digits becomes an 'output'.
                            We log these outputs in a single column on a graph paper tracking chart, which is called  "Main A."
                            We won't know what the 'space' is until we have a second output from Vessel A.
                            Over a period of drawings the output column get longer and longer, and we begin assigning
                            space values.
                            I call them Gaps.
                            There is a method for making this computation, but we don't need to explore it at this time.
                            Suffice it to say that we will eventually have two columns of information - the lottery digits
                            and corresponding Gap numbers.
                            We continue this process until we reach a point where we will have enough tracking data with clues that will help us choose the 'A' digits having the best chance of being in the next winning combination, if we have reason to believe that there will an 'A digit' in the permutation.
                            There is a method for determining which of several possible structures will determine the winning combination.
                            And that's it for now.
                            I'm almost positive, based on prior history, that most folks who have been reading these posts will now move on to something else - because they don't believe it will work or because it requires more work than they want to give.
                            So, I'm going to step back and see what happens.
                            Thanks for your interest.

                            Well, I'm still all ears (or eyes).

                            Just waiting your next post before I have anything to say.

                            CAN'T WIN IF YOU'RE NOT IN

                            A DOLLAR AND A DREAM (OR $2)

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                              Posted: May 22, 2016, 9:10 pm - IP Logged
                              Thanks, Lotto Loser, for your views.
                              I wish I could explain my purpose in short simple post.
                              But, alas, not possible.
                              Winning a lottery game is hard work.
                              First of all, please understand that I mean no malice, insults or other negative to anyone
                              who may be interested in these posts, and have strong views on what does and doesn't work.
                              I do it just to refresh our memories about what we think we know about Pick 3 in Texas.
                              We are agreed that the winning integers are the result of a lot of chaos in the mixing vessels with escape gates that open and close according to a confidential plan.
                              Also, we know for a fact that the vessels have no mathematical features that manipulate the outcomes.
                              It's random chance from beginning to end.
                              Further, there are no administrative features that tabulate the digits, pairs, highs, lows, etc.
                              These are man-made observations, or as one poster calls "make believe" systems.
                              The fact that some of these so-called systems do provide winning integers from time to time is coincidental, and not based on any action in the mixing vessels.
                              The folks who engineered the apparatus for Pick 3 know exactly how many times any
                              one event can occur in the mixing vessels before they are activated. However, once the
                              chaos begins they don't know what the actual outcome will be any more than the players.
                              It would seem then that the views about the 'odds' and 'probability' of this or that happening in the real Pick 3 world is just a lot of educated guesswork, which is regularly defeated by the mixing apparatus.
                              At the same time, there are some gifted folks who, with little or no effort, somehow seem to know the answers to the 'what's next' question and are winning a lot more often than us not so gifted folks are.
                              So, getting right to it, I believe this statement is 100 per cent correct.
                              "THERE ARE NO SYSTEMS OR METHODS, REAL OR IMAGINED, THAT CAN KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT THE NEXT WINNING COMBINATION WILL BE"
                              So, what do we do??
                              Well, if you take a close look at the chaos in the mixing vessels and give some thought to
                              what you are seeing, you will suddenly realize that there is a way to make some valid decisions about what might happen next.
                              The decision won't be precise, but will be close enough to make play Pick 3 profitable at some level.
                              I invite you to take a close look at any vessel with 10 digits being disturbed by compressed air.
                              In your minds eye, freeze the process.
                              Here's what I see.
                              1. No two balls can occupy the same space at the same time.
                              2. There is a measurable space between any two balls.
                              Further, my intellect is shouting - how can you measure the space between balls during the
                              mixing process!!!!?????
                              "You can't," is the obvious answer.
                              Not even a super computer can figure that out.
                              Ok, why did I bring it up?
                              Well, there is a solution, but it's a rather involved process requiring a lot of time, diligence,
                              accuracy and ability to correctly analyze facts.
                              It's called 'substitution' and I'll explain how it works in subsequent posts.

                              We agree on much but, I have to respectfully disagree with you on the following statement but, only to a specific extent:

                               

                              "THERE ARE NO SYSTEMS OR METHODS, REAL OR IMAGINED, THAT CAN KNOW IN ADVANCE WHAT THE NEXT WINNING COMBINATION WILL BE."

                              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                              #lotto-4-a-living