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Quote: Originally posted by captianbean on Jan 17, 2021
Glad to see that this thread is still going!
My strategy has been to focus on the last digit tracker.
But I only play 4 spots. Trying to get consistent at 4 spots before jumping to the bigger prize category.
I have not hit anything since Dec 15th. I would say focus on the small prize to build a budget so you can run massive wheels.
Also glad to see lottobux post on here as well. very knowledgeable when it comes to Ontario
I used that last digit strategy too, thats another way I used my chart. When you use the chart and track each draw, you can see which digits played more and which played less and can tell which digits are due for a hit across the chart.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Jan 12, 2021
The picture may come out sideways, but please rotate it if you can to see what I mean. Btw, Im very impressed with your Excel sheet. I've tried to use Excel to help me manage this and I gave up. Eventually what Im going to do is create a software program to make this a lot easier, so writing it out by hand I know what Im trying to achieve and the results Im looking for.
This is how I organize in my textbook. Across the top, I have the HIT RATIOS, and going down, you can see I have each AVG SKIP within each HIT RATIO in numerical order, using those 2-2.9. As the HIT RATIO gets higher, you'll notice the AVG SKIPS in each hit ratio gets smaller, those are hot numbers. Keep in mind, I use this strategy along with numerous other strategies to pick my numbers.
This seems easier to me because I noticed this pattern. Now, back to my analogy. My chart you'll see in each HIT RATIO column, the higher AVG SKIP numbers hit and the lower ones did not. The numbers that hit you'll see a small (~)on top, its my indicator to show that number hit in the last draw. I noticed in each HIT RATIO column, the numbers that did hit were the numbers with higher AVG SKIP when you organize them in numerical order after each draw.
Also, what you'll see in my textbook is I have the Multiple hit numbers(zero games out but the ones I expect to repeat) labeled as L and R, left and right, just like in my pretend Pick 10 VTRAC chart. I also organize the SKIP HIT numbers by L and R, organized 1-10+ games out, Left and Right, only using the numbers in the HIT RATIO chart I made.
Now if you look at the numbers in the chart that hit with the little mark on top and count them, there's 12. A few of them may be repeats. but to me, using my chart this way, helps me narrow down which numbers to play. Hit me back with some Q's and maybe I can A them
@Bluegal1,
I think I have the format correct this time (like in your textbook). I charted Jan 11 (like in your textbook above) and also the following day. My numbers did not come out to match yours exactly - perhaps it's due to the difference in the software versions we are using.
Please tell me what clues I'm to be looking for. In my version, the hits (in red) don't congregate at the bottom of each column, as nicely as they do in your textbook. I know in a previous post at some point you mentioned something about numbers moving. Now that I have the diagram drawn (see below), I'm hoping you can explain a bit about the flow (the movement) of the numbers from one draw to the next, and the significance of that movement. Up, down, right, left - what am I to be looking for? What do the numbers about to hit tend to do? Do they change Hit Ratio groupings (and therefore move right or left)? Do they go up or down in the same column? Do their Avg Skips go higher or lower?
I will have more questions on other things you've already touched on, but I'm just going to try to take one topic at a time - starting with the charting of the sorted Avg Skips.
But a burning question I can't wait to ask is about your wheeling software. What is it - is it from Smart Luck? If so, which one is it?
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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 15, 2020
Im so sorry for getting back to you so late. But I'll go on to explain as best I can:
1 )I dont see why using a range of 40 wont work, as opposed to 50 game range. I just personally noticed its much easier to track the numbers based on at least 1/2 of the numbers in the game; so 80 numbers split in half is 40, I just randomly choose 50 games based on some stats used by other programs. It makes sense to me that you see numbers wiggling around more and in patterns when you use less of a stretch, such as the entire game history, which to me gives you a slower motion of the numbers as to how they behave 'historically'.
2) I was tired from thinking and typing out so much that I made an error in this. When I meant to highlight in the Quick Stats chart to Games Out, I forgot to say to scroll down all the way to the numbers that hit for that game(0 games out) and look at the AVG SKIPS for the numbers that hit that night, and you'll notice that at least 10 numbers will be an AVG SKIP of between 2.0-2.9 that hit and will be HIGH % ratios. If thats not really clear what Im trying to say, I'll try to post a pic so I can explain better.
3) Thats exactly why I choose to use a lesser range because I find its easier to track the movements of numbers and how they'll jump %'s as they hit or not hit.
4) Its doesnt matter if the ratios are different, just use the range of 40 and the stats you'll need will show the same patterns. When I use my range of 50, I sort them 2 ways and use them in 2 different ways; 1st, I sort by HIT RATIO (high to low) and I use the AVG SKIP within each HIT RATIO and organize on paper the AVG SKIP (2.0-2.9 or whatever it is from low to high)within each HIT RATIO, writing across the lowest hit ratio to the highest, when I do this, I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move', as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point. You have to find the medium avg ratio where the number starts to get cold, usually the numbers with really high HIT RATIOS are cold numbers. That medium hit ratio will change depending on the range you use. This technique I realize you can use with any draw game. I thought about using it with Take 5 or any daily 5 number draw game because its usually less numbers to track.
The other way I use the Quick Stats charts sorted is by GAMES OUT(high to low) I use this when I see there are no LONG SHOT numbers or less LONG SHOT numbers, because you can see when its sorted this way, which GAMES OUT have more than usual and will become LONG SHOTS(usually games out 5 and above having more than 6 in each is unusual, so I know more of those numbers in those groups will push up, typically the numbers with low HIT RATIOS and high AVG SKIPS.
5) Yes it will vary depending on the range you use, everything flips. I just prefer to use a smaller range because its easier to see how the numbers will move, its like putting all the numbers in a tight squeeze, and watching them dance LOL
6) The numbers HAVE to recycle, high to low, low to high, they can only recycle so many times because the numbers that have been out the longest will eventually HAVE TO HIT, otherwise, the numbers at the bottom will stay there. That just doesnt happen, there are ebbs and flows, highs and lows. Even if you look at the SUM FREQUENCY its the same thing. If you look at the Games Out of View History chart and look at the AVG of at least 10 games, you'll see patterns there, they hit a high and have to go lower. I find in all the Smart Luck charts, the patterns are everywhere, you just have to find them, chart them, plot them, then play them.
When I get some time, I will post a pic to try and further explain how I use the charts.
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@Bluegal1,
This is it - I found it. This is the post I was just asking about, where you said "I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move' as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point."
Using my diagram of Jan 11 and Jan 12 as an example, please tell me if you consider any of these things that I see as being significant:
1) of the 9 numbers (in red) that hit on Jan 12, 3 of them had changed Hit Ratio from the day before: #35 had gone down in Hit Ratio, from 141% to 133%, #49 and #50 had increased Hit Ratio from 94% to 102%.
2) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had decreased their Avg Skip from the day before, except for #35.
3) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had moved up higher in their column (except for the 3 numbers already mentioned - 35,49,50, and #37).
4) on Jan 11, three winning numbers were at the lowest position on their columns (#73, #80, #27), and on Jan 12, two winning numbers were (#49, #50). On Jan 11, two winning numbers were at the top of their column(#64, #5), and on Jan 12 one winning number was (#37).
5) on both Jan 11 and 12, all the winning numbers were distinctly spread across the 6 columns within the Hit Ratio ranges of 94.1%-133.3%. And with only 1 exception, there was at least one winning number in each of those 6 columns each day - it was almost like you could "expect" to see at least one winning number from each of those columns.
Do these observations make sense? Is there anything significant here? Have you noticed that these things tend to always happen, or have they just randomly occurred here? Is there anything else I should be noticing?
As interesting as this all is, I'm thinking that I have still not understood your original statement about the numbers moving as they get hot. If you want me to post a couple more days of results, so you can point out that movement more clearly, just let me know.
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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Jan 17, 2021
@Bluegal1,
I think I have the format correct this time (like in your textbook). I charted Jan 11 (like in your textbook above) and also the following day. My numbers did not come out to match yours exactly - perhaps it's due to the difference in the software versions we are using.
Please tell me what clues I'm to be looking for. In my version, the hits (in red) don't congregate at the bottom of each column, as nicely as they do in your textbook. I know in a previous post at some point you mentioned something about numbers moving. Now that I have the diagram drawn (see below), I'm hoping you can explain a bit about the flow (the movement) of the numbers from one draw to the next, and the significance of that movement. Up, down, right, left - what am I to be looking for? What do the numbers about to hit tend to do? Do they change Hit Ratio groupings (and therefore move right or left)? Do they go up or down in the same column? Do their Avg Skips go higher or lower?
I will have more questions on other things you've already touched on, but I'm just going to try to take one topic at a time - starting with the charting of the sorted Avg Skips.
But a burning question I can't wait to ask is about your wheeling software. What is it - is it from Smart Luck? If so, which one is it?
Thanks for all your help :)
In my chart, what I noticed is that in each HIT RATIO column, the numbers that hit started somewhere near or at the top of the column, then once they hit, they went to the bottom of the column. In my chart, I organize them where they are before they hit, and then in the next plot for the day they hit, shows where they are after, and thats when I noticed the pattern. Another way I use my chart is how many 2.-2.9 actually hit in each draw, and what AVG SKIPS hit, for i.e., how many 2.1's, 2.2's, etc, and track if they are one the lower end or the higher end. If they are more on the lower end, I know to look at the ones in the middle to hit, the 2.3's, 2.4's, 2.5's and 2.6's. If higher, then I look at the lower ones to hit, the 1.4's, 1.5's, through to 2.2's to hit. You still need a mix of all, but at least it gives me an idea of which number I know will hit for sure, or has the best chance of hitting. And yes, they do change columns or jump columns, for i.e. a number in column 102% with an AVG SKIP of 2.7 can jump to the 109% column changing its AVG SKIP to 2.9
I do use the older version of Smart Luck wheels to use for Keno, it works for me. If it aint broke dont fix it :)
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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Jan 18, 2021
@Bluegal1,
This is it - I found it. This is the post I was just asking about, where you said "I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move' as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point."
Using my diagram of Jan 11 and Jan 12 as an example, please tell me if you consider any of these things that I see as being significant:
1) of the 9 numbers (in red) that hit on Jan 12, 3 of them had changed Hit Ratio from the day before: #35 had gone down in Hit Ratio, from 141% to 133%, #49 and #50 had increased Hit Ratio from 94% to 102%.
2) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had decreased their Avg Skip from the day before, except for #35.
3) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had moved up higher in their column (except for the 3 numbers already mentioned - 35,49,50, and #37).
4) on Jan 11, three winning numbers were at the lowest position on their columns (#73, #80, #27), and on Jan 12, two winning numbers were (#49, #50). On Jan 11, two winning numbers were at the top of their column(#64, #5), and on Jan 12 one winning number was (#37).
5) on both Jan 11 and 12, all the winning numbers were distinctly spread across the 6 columns within the Hit Ratio ranges of 94.1%-133.3%. And with only 1 exception, there was at least one winning number in each of those 6 columns each day - it was almost like you could "expect" to see at least one winning number from each of those columns.
Do these observations make sense? Is there anything significant here? Have you noticed that these things tend to always happen, or have they just randomly occurred here? Is there anything else I should be noticing?
As interesting as this all is, I'm thinking that I have still not understood your original statement about the numbers moving as they get hot. If you want me to post a couple more days of results, so you can point out that movement more clearly, just let me know.
Many thanks!
When the numbers hit, watch how they move within the column or jump to the next column, and also watch how their AVG SKIP changes. The best way to see this is to track them for a week or so. Its much easier to see what I mean when you track in this way for more than a week
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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Jan 18, 2021
@Bluegal1,
This is it - I found it. This is the post I was just asking about, where you said "I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move' as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point."
Using my diagram of Jan 11 and Jan 12 as an example, please tell me if you consider any of these things that I see as being significant:
1) of the 9 numbers (in red) that hit on Jan 12, 3 of them had changed Hit Ratio from the day before: #35 had gone down in Hit Ratio, from 141% to 133%, #49 and #50 had increased Hit Ratio from 94% to 102%.
2) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had decreased their Avg Skip from the day before, except for #35.
3) all the winning numbers on Jan 12 had moved up higher in their column (except for the 3 numbers already mentioned - 35,49,50, and #37).
4) on Jan 11, three winning numbers were at the lowest position on their columns (#73, #80, #27), and on Jan 12, two winning numbers were (#49, #50). On Jan 11, two winning numbers were at the top of their column(#64, #5), and on Jan 12 one winning number was (#37).
5) on both Jan 11 and 12, all the winning numbers were distinctly spread across the 6 columns within the Hit Ratio ranges of 94.1%-133.3%. And with only 1 exception, there was at least one winning number in each of those 6 columns each day - it was almost like you could "expect" to see at least one winning number from each of those columns.
Do these observations make sense? Is there anything significant here? Have you noticed that these things tend to always happen, or have they just randomly occurred here? Is there anything else I should be noticing?
As interesting as this all is, I'm thinking that I have still not understood your original statement about the numbers moving as they get hot. If you want me to post a couple more days of results, so you can point out that movement more clearly, just let me know.
Many thanks!
As the numbers hit more often, they jump columns indicating they're getting hotter, so their %'s go up, and their AVG SKIP gets lower, indicating it hits more often
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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Jan 18, 2021
As the numbers hit more often, they jump columns indicating they're getting hotter, so their %'s go up, and their AVG SKIP gets lower, indicating it hits more often
Thank you Bluegal1, I really appreciate your explanations. I'm going to track the numbers for a week or so (like you suggest) so I can start to see the patterns more clearly. I'm sure I'll be back with questions. And I still have to tackle your L-R chart, to see how it fares in a 70-number game.
In the meantime, please forgive me for not congratulating you sooner on your recent wins. Sometimes I get so focused, I forget all else. You do so well with Keno - thanks for being a shining example to us all, and giving the rest of us hope that we actually have a chance at this game :) I fully expect to see you posting BIG winning Keno tickets on this forum again soon.
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yesterday Jan 20, 2021 Evening Draw somebody played real good combo for "10" and was off 1 number on 17 tickets for $1 and on 6 tickets for $2, on 2 tickets for $5, very unusual as for ontario keno ;)
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Quote: Originally posted by prtt on Jan 21, 2021
yesterday Jan 20, 2021 Evening Draw somebody played real good combo for "10" and was off 1 number on 17 tickets for $1 and on 6 tickets for $2, on 2 tickets for $5, very unusual as for ontario keno ;)
10/10
0
$250,000.00
9/10
17
$5,000.00
8/10
19
$200.00
10/10
0
$500,000.00
9/10
6
$10,000.00
8/10
8
$400.00
10/10
0
$1,250,000.00
9/10
2
$25,000.00
8/10
3
$1,000.00
I wonder if that person was @WhatAreTheOdds
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Quote: Originally posted by captianbean on Jan 21, 2021
what number should i focus on for this evening!
I'm thinking 50s and 30s
Look through this particular discussion and find the chart I posted. Make a copies of it, and date them, and mark off all the numbers that hit each day on different sheets, going back 10 days. Going back and moving forward, you will see which number groups to focus on.
Oh! I dont play the Canadian Keno, I play New York Pick 10 Keno daily game, but you can use this chart for any daily keno game
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