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Quote: Originally posted by tique54 on Dec 8, 2020

If I may, I'd like to share a couple of partial charts that may help. I play NY Pick 10/Keno but have yet to hit anything worth crowing about. The first is how the LD's came out in the last then draws.

11/28/2020	1,71	2,22,72	23,73	24,64		76	37,57	8,28,48,68	19,49,59	60
11/29/2020	51,61		33	4,44,74	15,25,35,75	6,76	37	8,18,38	9,59,79	70
11/30/2020	11		23,43,73	4,24,74	75	16,36,76		38,58,68	29,49,59,79	50,80
12/1/2020	51,71	52,72	23,33,43	64	5,45		17,27,37	28,58	29,39	30,60,80
12/2/2020	1,31	42,62,72		54	15	6,16,46	7,37,67	8,48	19	10,40,50,70
12/3/2020	1,21	32,72	3,53	54,64	45,65,75	6		8,38,48	19,79	60,70,80
12/4/2020	31	32	23	4,74	55	6,56,66	7,17,57,67	68,78	59,69	10,30,80
12/5/2020	1,41,61,71	2	33,53,63	54	25,65	56	47	28,68	19,29,69	70,80
12/6/2020	1,11,21,51	62	63	14,24,34,74	15,45,75	36	77		29,69	20,30,70
12/7/2020	11,61	62	3,73	4,24,44,64	35,65	66	57	18,48,78	29,39	20,80

By column, since I didn't provider a header: Date,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6,-7,-8,-9,-0. Beneath each column is the number with the corresponding LD.

This second group is the 10-day totals for each number (1-80 in NY Pick 10) and the total for each LD. (I'm hoping a friend of mine jumps in and shares her ideas as she is very good and HAS hit something to crow about, with pride, I might add.)

Column Totals & Times Drawn
LD	C1		C2		C3		C4		C5		C6		C7		C8		C9		C0
01-10	01	5	02	2	03	2	04	4	05	1	06	4	07	2	08	4	09	1	10	2
11-20	11	3	12	0	13	0	14	1	15	3	16	2	17	2	18	2	19	4	20	2
21-30	21	2	22	1	23	4	24	4	25	2	26	0	27	1	28	3	29	5	30	3
31-40	31	2	32	2	33	3	34	1	35	2	36	2	37	4	38	3	39	2	40	1
41-50	41	1	42	1	43	2	44	2	45	3	46	1	47	1	48	4	49	2	50	2
51-60	51	3	52	1	53	2	54	3	55	1	56	2	57	3	58	2	59	4	60	3
61-70	61	3	62	3	63	2	64	4	65	3	66	2	67	2	68	4	69	3	70	5
71-80	71	3	72	4	73	3	74	4	75	4	76	3	77	1	78	2	79	3	80	6
TOT		22		14		18		23		19		16		16		24		24		24

These are a couple of charts that I look at daily to give me ideas for which numbers I might play.

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Dec 8, 2020, 8:25 pm

This is my pick for the next Midday (12-9). Just one line.

7-3-47-57-44-30-60

Pay attention to group 3,4,7.

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Group3 &4 and 7 all had 'zero'. I have another idea. Let's look at the previous draw (12-7) and highlight the

numbers that came out from group 3 &4 & 7. So we have 4-27-43 & 44.

From each group, which in this case is 3 &4 &7 let's make a list of what is left.

Group4----4 & 44 was selected. We are left with 24-34-54-64

Group 3----43 was selected. We are left with3-13-23-33-53-63

Group7----27 was selected. We are left with 7-17-27-37-47-57-67

Let's do the same for draw (12-6) and highlight the numbers that came out from group 3 & 4 &7.

Group 4----4 & 34 & 44 & 54 was selected. We are left with 14-24-64.

Group3----13 was selected. We are left with 3-23-33-43-53-63.

Group 7----17 was selected. We are left with 27-37-47-57-67.

Now let's combine both draws information.

Numbers to consider to play from each group.

Group 4-----24-34-54-64/14-24-64 (combine duplicates) leaves us with 14-24-34-54-64.

Group3-----3-13-23-33-53-63/3-23-33-43-53-63(combine duplicates) leaves us with3-13-23-33-43-53-63.

Group7-----7-17-27-37-47-57-67/27-37-47-57-67(combine duplicates) leaves us with 7-17-27-37-47-57-67.

We are going pick ours numbers from this group.

(4)14-24-34-54-64/(3)3-13-23-33-43-53-63/(7)7-17-27-37-47-57-67

These are my two lines to play for Midday 12-9:

7-17-14-23-24-33-63

7-47-3-33-23-14-63

Good Luck!

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Quote: Originally posted by jackpotismine on Dec 8, 2020
This is my pick for the next Midday (12-9). Just one line.

7-3-47-57-44-30-60

Pay attention to group 3,4,7.

I've changed my picks for Midday (12-9). See the previous post.

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Dec 9, 2020, 11:14 pm

No winners for us. Anyway this will be my last post here. Hope I helped in letting you see things differently and maybe helped others too. Good Luck in your Keno wins!

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Im an avid Pick 10 Keno player here in NY, @tique54 can tell you that. I was trying to figure a system to narrow down which numbers to play and which to discard. I also play using GH Smart Luck system and use the charts. The thing I found using charts for Pick 10 is that you really have to watch the way the numbers flow and how they flow. There's patterns in those flows.

I created a chart I used that helped me win $14.4k in Sept 2019, I posted a pic of my winning tickets on here. Using my chart that was the first time I hit that big, after that it was a few more smaller wins. The variables in the Smart Luck charts are many and you can use any one of them to find a pattern. Right now, Im working on a chart to configure using the Quick stats data. Its a little complicated because I use only a certain data range, and I use only certain ratio's to decide to work with. Im looking to hone in on the pattern to decide which numbers to work with. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 10, 2020
Im an avid Pick 10 Keno player here in NY, @tique54 can tell you that. I was trying to figure a system to narrow down which numbers to play and which to discard. I also play using GH Smart Luck system and use the charts. The thing I found using charts for Pick 10 is that you really have to watch the way the numbers flow and how they flow. There's patterns in those flows.

I created a chart I used that helped me win $14.4k in Sept 2019, I posted a pic of my winning tickets on here. Using my chart that was the first time I hit that big, after that it was a few more smaller wins. The variables in the Smart Luck charts are many and you can use any one of them to find a pattern. Right now, Im working on a chart to configure using the Quick stats data. Its a little complicated because I use only a certain data range, and I use only certain ratio's to decide to work with. Im looking to hone in on the pattern to decide which numbers to work with. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

Thank you :) Congratulations on your win and Good luck to you in the future wins :) Please share your stories.
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Quote: Originally posted by Kostya on Dec 10, 2020
Thank you :) Congratulations on your win and Good luck to you in the future wins :) Please share your stories.

I will try to share when I can. Anything new and interesting I discover I will be sure to share. You can also look up any post of mine regarding the chart I made and how it works

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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 10, 2020
Im an avid Pick 10 Keno player here in NY, @tique54 can tell you that. I was trying to figure a system to narrow down which numbers to play and which to discard. I also play using GH Smart Luck system and use the charts. The thing I found using charts for Pick 10 is that you really have to watch the way the numbers flow and how they flow. There's patterns in those flows.

I created a chart I used that helped me win $14.4k in Sept 2019, I posted a pic of my winning tickets on here. Using my chart that was the first time I hit that big, after that it was a few more smaller wins. The variables in the Smart Luck charts are many and you can use any one of them to find a pattern. Right now, Im working on a chart to configure using the Quick stats data. Its a little complicated because I use only a certain data range, and I use only certain ratio's to decide to work with. Im looking to hone in on the pattern to decide which numbers to work with. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

Bluegal1,

In a previous post you mentioned successfully using the Quick Stats chart in the Gail Howard software for Keno:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/328919/2

I just ran a comparison, and you are absolutely right. When I reduced the numbers of draws of history to use in the chart to just 70 draws, I got completely different stats than I did when using the full history. (And if I sound like I am surprised, it is because I am). I noticed in my test that almost twice as many numbers had a HIGH hit ratio when only 70 draws of history were used, whereas that wasn't the case at all previously when I was looking at the chart with full history. So are you saying that when you see more winning numbers with high hit ratios, you would play more numbers with low hit ratios in the next draw to compensate? And vice versa?

Also could you please explain what you mean when you say you "look to see which of those numbers follows a hit pattern". How would we go about doing that?

Thank you so much for posting such detailed info in that previous thread. I'm hoping to be able to incorporate all of your suggestions.
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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Dec 12, 2020
Bluegal1,

In a previous post you mentioned successfully using the Quick Stats chart in the Gail Howard software for Keno:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/328919/2

I just ran a comparison, and you are absolutely right. When I reduced the numbers of draws of history to use in the chart to just 70 draws, I got completely different stats than I did when using the full history. (And if I sound like I am surprised, it is because I am). I noticed in my test that almost twice as many numbers had a HIGH hit ratio when only 70 draws of history were used, whereas that wasn't the case at all previously when I was looking at the chart with full history. So are you saying that when you see more winning numbers with high hit ratios, you would play more numbers with low hit ratios in the next draw to compensate? And vice versa?

Also could you please explain what you mean when you say you "look to see which of those numbers follows a hit pattern". How would we go about doing that?

Thank you so much for posting such detailed info in that previous thread. I'm hoping to be able to incorporate all of your suggestions.

If you're using the Smart Luck system for Pick 10, using the Quick Stats chart, highlight the numbers according to Games Out, so looking down the chart, you will see the numbers that are from the furthest out, to the lowest games out to just hit numbers (0)

Using a range of 50 games, you will see the % ratio is much higher. To me, using the chart that way, its easier to see how many of the high %'s numbers hit and the same with low %'s numbers. What I do find is that in each game result you will get at least 10 high number ratios %'s using a range of 50 games. Always. When you get less than 10 high ratio %'s, you can bet next game that it will increase, thats one pattern I noticed.

The other ratio I noticed using the same chart is The AVG Skips-each game results has at least 10 numbers that have an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, thats another pattern. To help narrow it down even further, I created my own chart, a left number side and a right number side.

L R

A) 1-21-41-61 K) 11-31-51-71

B) 2-22-42-62 L) 12-32-52-72

C) 3-23-43-63 M) 13-33-53-73

D) 4-24-44-64 N) 14-34-54-74

E) 5-25-45-65 O) 15-35-55-75

F) 6-26-46-66 P) 16-36-56-76

G) 7-27-47-67 Q) 17-37-57-77

H) 8-28-48-68 R) 18-38-58-78

I) 9-29-49-69 S) 19-39-59-79

J)10-30-50-70 T) 20-40-60-80

When I made this chart, I noticed another pattern, one side will hit more than the other, and with each game it goes back and forth. So when one side has more hits that game, the other side will be lower, and back and forth with each game result. Another thing with this chart is you can see which number group played more and which played less so you know which number group is prime for a hit, i.e. 1-10, 11-20, 21-29, etc. Sometimes these groups also follow patterns, such as if 5 20's played, and no 30's played or if only 1 30 played, next game a few more 30's will hit, and so on, again, a back and forth thing.

The crazy thing about this game and using the charts is that the patterns exist just about everywhere in them. You just have to find them and follow them where they go, up and down, left to right, side by side, which numbers tend to hit with each other and so on.

I also broke down on paper by hit ratio the AVG SKIPs according to THAT hit ratio, in numerical order, using the range of 50 games. See my example below:

This is the result for Dec 11, 2020 NY Pick 10 using a 50game range (10/22/2020-12/11/2020)

109%(Hit Ratio)-67,61,(6),(22),(24),(60),(68),(70) {the number in parentheses are numbers that hit that game}

If you check the Quick Stat chart using the range I gave, and look at the 109% ratio, you'll see I put each number in order according to their AVG SKIP numerical value, ranging from smallest to highest. Also using this setup, you'll notice most numbers hit at the very end of the chart. When Im looking for numbers to play, including repeats, with an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, I use this setup and chart. If a repeat hits more than 2x, I dont use it, only because its hard for me to tell how hot that number is to hit again.

Within each Quick Stat Ratio, I also noticed the numbers 'recycle'. They seem to hit from left to right, sometimes in the middle but going forward right. What I do to check is to see which number on that line is looking to get hot using the Drawing Since Hit chart, and if it seems like it was out more than it hit but is picking up hits, its getting hot to hit, then I'll play it. I also use that chart with the same range.

If you have any other questions, just let me or @tique54 know, I'll be happy to answer.

Twin Peaks*"We are like the dreamer, who dreams, and then lives inside the dream. But, who is the dreamer?"*Twin Peaks
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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 12, 2020
If you're using the Smart Luck system for Pick 10, using the Quick Stats chart, highlight the numbers according to Games Out, so looking down the chart, you will see the numbers that are from the furthest out, to the lowest games out to just hit numbers (0)

Using a range of 50 games, you will see the % ratio is much higher. To me, using the chart that way, its easier to see how many of the high %'s numbers hit and the same with low %'s numbers. What I do find is that in each game result you will get at least 10 high number ratios %'s using a range of 50 games. Always. When you get less than 10 high ratio %'s, you can bet next game that it will increase, thats one pattern I noticed.

The other ratio I noticed using the same chart is The AVG Skips-each game results has at least 10 numbers that have an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, thats another pattern. To help narrow it down even further, I created my own chart, a left number side and a right number side.

L R

A) 1-21-41-61 K) 11-31-51-71

B) 2-22-42-62 L) 12-32-52-72

C) 3-23-43-63 M) 13-33-53-73

D) 4-24-44-64 N) 14-34-54-74

E) 5-25-45-65 O) 15-35-55-75

F) 6-26-46-66 P) 16-36-56-76

G) 7-27-47-67 Q) 17-37-57-77

H) 8-28-48-68 R) 18-38-58-78

I) 9-29-49-69 S) 19-39-59-79

J)10-30-50-70 T) 20-40-60-80

When I made this chart, I noticed another pattern, one side will hit more than the other, and with each game it goes back and forth. So when one side has more hits that game, the other side will be lower, and back and forth with each game result. Another thing with this chart is you can see which number group played more and which played less so you know which number group is prime for a hit, i.e. 1-10, 11-20, 21-29, etc. Sometimes these groups also follow patterns, such as if 5 20's played, and no 30's played or if only 1 30 played, next game a few more 30's will hit, and so on, again, a back and forth thing.

The crazy thing about this game and using the charts is that the patterns exist just about everywhere in them. You just have to find them and follow them where they go, up and down, left to right, side by side, which numbers tend to hit with each other and so on.

I also broke down on paper by hit ratio the AVG SKIPs according to THAT hit ratio, in numerical order, using the range of 50 games. See my example below:

This is the result for Dec 11, 2020 NY Pick 10 using a 50game range (10/22/2020-12/11/2020)

109%(Hit Ratio)-67,61,(6),(22),(24),(60),(68),(70) {the number in parentheses are numbers that hit that game}

If you check the Quick Stat chart using the range I gave, and look at the 109% ratio, you'll see I put each number in order according to their AVG SKIP numerical value, ranging from smallest to highest. Also using this setup, you'll notice most numbers hit at the very end of the chart. When Im looking for numbers to play, including repeats, with an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, I use this setup and chart. If a repeat hits more than 2x, I dont use it, only because its hard for me to tell how hot that number is to hit again.

Within each Quick Stat Ratio, I also noticed the numbers 'recycle'. They seem to hit from left to right, sometimes in the middle but going forward right. What I do to check is to see which number on that line is looking to get hot using the Drawing Since Hit chart, and if it seems like it was out more than it hit but is picking up hits, its getting hot to hit, then I'll play it. I also use that chart with the same range.

If you have any other questions, just let me or @tique54 know, I'll be happy to answer.

Bluegal1, thanks for the details - I really appreciate it.

1) Do you think there might be any reason why using a range of only 40 draws (instead of 50) might not work? I want to borrow the concept of "rounds" that Igor (LA Igrok) presented here on this forum last year. 1 round would be 4 draws (because it would take 4 draws to enable all the numbers to theoretically hit, at 20 winning numbers per draw). He presented a great way to analyze history by "rounds", so I intend to do a lot of my analysis for Keno using groups of 4 draws. So 10 rounds would be 40 draws.

2) I sorted the Quick Stats chart as you suggested (by Games Out), but I didn't see what you meant by "10 high number ratios %'s". Unlike my typical 6/45 jackpot game, there were very few numbers out more than 4 draws. Were you suggesting that a high or low number of Games Out should be watched?

3) However, I did sort the chart by Hit Ratio, and there were definitely more numbers that won in the next draw when the hit ratio was HIGH. More than twice as many numbers with high hit ratios won in the next draw - 14 vs 6, to be exact (in this one draw that I analyzed).

4) All of our ratios here in Ontario will be different than yours because our board is only 70 numbers, as opposed to your 80 numbers. So I could not see Avg Skips between 2.0-2.9 as you suggested. But I sorted the chart by Avg Skip, and saw that a number with a lower Avg Skip was more likely to be a winner in the next draw. 12 of the winning numbers in the next draw came from the lower half of the Avg Skip list, whereas only 8 winning numbers came from the top half of the list.

5) There was a big difference in Std Dev, between a full game of history, and one with reduced history. In the chart with full history, 14 of the 38 numbers that were ABOVE standard deviation were winners in the next draw. In the chart with reduced history, 13 of the 38 numbers that were BELOW standard deviation were winners in the next draw. So, the chart with full history was just a hair better in this case for picking future winners. (But of course, this will vary in each draw).

6) To me, the following might be one of the most beneficial pieces of info I found in the Stats Chart, when it comes to picking out future winners. With reduced history, the majority of winners in the next draw were numbers that were BOTH below the number of Avg Skips and below the Std Dev. And 70% of the numbers that won had had 2, 3, or 4 hits in the Last 10 draws; 80% of them had had 1-2 hits in the Last 5 draws. That is definitely a lot of number recycling, and fast turn over. It looks like it might be worth it to keep an eye on those ranges, while, of course applying the other strategies and filters as well.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 12, 2020
If you're using the Smart Luck system for Pick 10, using the Quick Stats chart, highlight the numbers according to Games Out, so looking down the chart, you will see the numbers that are from the furthest out, to the lowest games out to just hit numbers (0)

Using a range of 50 games, you will see the % ratio is much higher. To me, using the chart that way, its easier to see how many of the high %'s numbers hit and the same with low %'s numbers. What I do find is that in each game result you will get at least 10 high number ratios %'s using a range of 50 games. Always. When you get less than 10 high ratio %'s, you can bet next game that it will increase, thats one pattern I noticed.

The other ratio I noticed using the same chart is The AVG Skips-each game results has at least 10 numbers that have an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, thats another pattern. To help narrow it down even further, I created my own chart, a left number side and a right number side.

L R

A) 1-21-41-61 K) 11-31-51-71

B) 2-22-42-62 L) 12-32-52-72

C) 3-23-43-63 M) 13-33-53-73

D) 4-24-44-64 N) 14-34-54-74

E) 5-25-45-65 O) 15-35-55-75

F) 6-26-46-66 P) 16-36-56-76

G) 7-27-47-67 Q) 17-37-57-77

H) 8-28-48-68 R) 18-38-58-78

I) 9-29-49-69 S) 19-39-59-79

J)10-30-50-70 T) 20-40-60-80

When I made this chart, I noticed another pattern, one side will hit more than the other, and with each game it goes back and forth. So when one side has more hits that game, the other side will be lower, and back and forth with each game result. Another thing with this chart is you can see which number group played more and which played less so you know which number group is prime for a hit, i.e. 1-10, 11-20, 21-29, etc. Sometimes these groups also follow patterns, such as if 5 20's played, and no 30's played or if only 1 30 played, next game a few more 30's will hit, and so on, again, a back and forth thing.

The crazy thing about this game and using the charts is that the patterns exist just about everywhere in them. You just have to find them and follow them where they go, up and down, left to right, side by side, which numbers tend to hit with each other and so on.

I also broke down on paper by hit ratio the AVG SKIPs according to THAT hit ratio, in numerical order, using the range of 50 games. See my example below:

This is the result for Dec 11, 2020 NY Pick 10 using a 50game range (10/22/2020-12/11/2020)

109%(Hit Ratio)-67,61,(6),(22),(24),(60),(68),(70) {the number in parentheses are numbers that hit that game}

If you check the Quick Stat chart using the range I gave, and look at the 109% ratio, you'll see I put each number in order according to their AVG SKIP numerical value, ranging from smallest to highest. Also using this setup, you'll notice most numbers hit at the very end of the chart. When Im looking for numbers to play, including repeats, with an AVG SKIP between 2.0-2.9, I use this setup and chart. If a repeat hits more than 2x, I dont use it, only because its hard for me to tell how hot that number is to hit again.

Within each Quick Stat Ratio, I also noticed the numbers 'recycle'. They seem to hit from left to right, sometimes in the middle but going forward right. What I do to check is to see which number on that line is looking to get hot using the Drawing Since Hit chart, and if it seems like it was out more than it hit but is picking up hits, its getting hot to hit, then I'll play it. I also use that chart with the same range.

If you have any other questions, just let me or @tique54 know, I'll be happy to answer.

Bluegal1, your chart looks like a lot of fun to use. I'd like to make one to fit our Keno game here in Ontario, where we only have 70 numbers in our Keno instead of 80. So I guess I can make each side 35 numbers (7x5).

But before I get started, I wanted to know if there was any particular reason why you alternated from side to side when you developed your chart? Did you have something in mind when you made it A) 1-21-41-61 K) 11-31-51-71 instead of making it A) 1-11-21-31 K) 41-51-61-71?
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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Dec 13, 2020
Bluegal1, thanks for the details - I really appreciate it.

1) Do you think there might be any reason why using a range of only 40 draws (instead of 50) might not work? I want to borrow the concept of "rounds" that Igor (LA Igrok) presented here on this forum last year. 1 round would be 4 draws (because it would take 4 draws to enable all the numbers to theoretically hit, at 20 winning numbers per draw). He presented a great way to analyze history by "rounds", so I intend to do a lot of my analysis for Keno using groups of 4 draws. So 10 rounds would be 40 draws.

2) I sorted the Quick Stats chart as you suggested (by Games Out), but I didn't see what you meant by "10 high number ratios %'s". Unlike my typical 6/45 jackpot game, there were very few numbers out more than 4 draws. Were you suggesting that a high or low number of Games Out should be watched?

3) However, I did sort the chart by Hit Ratio, and there were definitely more numbers that won in the next draw when the hit ratio was HIGH. More than twice as many numbers with high hit ratios won in the next draw - 14 vs 6, to be exact (in this one draw that I analyzed).

4) All of our ratios here in Ontario will be different than yours because our board is only 70 numbers, as opposed to your 80 numbers. So I could not see Avg Skips between 2.0-2.9 as you suggested. But I sorted the chart by Avg Skip, and saw that a number with a lower Avg Skip was more likely to be a winner in the next draw. 12 of the winning numbers in the next draw came from the lower half of the Avg Skip list, whereas only 8 winning numbers came from the top half of the list.

5) There was a big difference in Std Dev, between a full game of history, and one with reduced history. In the chart with full history, 14 of the 38 numbers that were ABOVE standard deviation were winners in the next draw. In the chart with reduced history, 13 of the 38 numbers that were BELOW standard deviation were winners in the next draw. So, the chart with full history was just a hair better in this case for picking future winners. (But of course, this will vary in each draw).

6) To me, the following might be one of the most beneficial pieces of info I found in the Stats Chart, when it comes to picking out future winners. With reduced history, the majority of winners in the next draw were numbers that were BOTH below the number of Avg Skips and below the Std Dev. And 70% of the numbers that won had had 2, 3, or 4 hits in the Last 10 draws; 80% of them had had 1-2 hits in the Last 5 draws. That is definitely a lot of number recycling, and fast turn over. It looks like it might be worth it to keep an eye on those ranges, while, of course applying the other strategies and filters as well.

Im so sorry for getting back to you so late. But I'll go on to explain as best I can:

1 )I dont see why using a range of 40 wont work, as opposed to 50 game range. I just personally noticed its much easier to track the numbers based on at least 1/2 of the numbers in the game; so 80 numbers split in half is 40, I just randomly choose 50 games based on some stats used by other programs. It makes sense to me that you see numbers wiggling around more and in patterns when you use less of a stretch, such as the entire game history, which to me gives you a slower motion of the numbers as to how they behave 'historically'.

2) I was tired from thinking and typing out so much that I made an error in this. When I meant to highlight in the Quick Stats chart to Games Out, I forgot to say to scroll down all the way to the numbers that hit for that game(0 games out) and look at the AVG SKIPS for the numbers that hit that night, and you'll notice that at least 10 numbers will be an AVG SKIP of between 2.0-2.9 that hit and will be HIGH % ratios. If thats not really clear what Im trying to say, I'll try to post a pic so I can explain better.

3) Thats exactly why I choose to use a lesser range because I find its easier to track the movements of numbers and how they'll jump %'s as they hit or not hit.

4) Its doesnt matter if the ratios are different, just use the range of 40 and the stats you'll need will show the same patterns. When I use my range of 50, I sort them 2 ways and use them in 2 different ways; 1st, I sort by HIT RATIO (high to low) and I use the AVG SKIP within each HIT RATIO and organize on paper the AVG SKIP (2.0-2.9 or whatever it is from low to high)within each HIT RATIO, writing across the lowest hit ratio to the highest, when I do this, I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move', as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point. You have to find the medium avg ratio where the number starts to get cold, usually the numbers with really high HIT RATIOS are cold numbers. That medium hit ratio will change depending on the range you use. This technique I realize you can use with any draw game. I thought about using it with Take 5 or any daily 5 number draw game because its usually less numbers to track.

The other way I use the Quick Stats charts sorted is by GAMES OUT(high to low) I use this when I see there are no LONG SHOT numbers or less LONG SHOT numbers, because you can see when its sorted this way, which GAMES OUT have more than usual and will become LONG SHOTS(usually games out 5 and above having more than 6 in each is unusual, so I know more of those numbers in those groups will push up, typically the numbers with low HIT RATIOS and high AVG SKIPS.

5) Yes it will vary depending on the range you use, everything flips. I just prefer to use a smaller range because its easier to see how the numbers will move, its like putting all the numbers in a tight squeeze, and watching them dance LOL

6) The numbers HAVE to recycle, high to low, low to high, they can only recycle so many times because the numbers that have been out the longest will eventually HAVE TO HIT, otherwise, the numbers at the bottom will stay there. That just doesnt happen, there are ebbs and flows, highs and lows. Even if you look at the SUM FREQUENCY its the same thing. If you look at the Games Out of View History chart and look at the AVG of at least 10 games, you'll see patterns there, they hit a high and have to go lower. I find in all the Smart Luck charts, the patterns are everywhere, you just have to find them, chart them, plot them, then play them.

When I get some time, I will post a pic to try and further explain how I use the charts.
5)

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Quote: Originally posted by WhatAreTheOdds on Dec 13, 2020
Bluegal1, your chart looks like a lot of fun to use. I'd like to make one to fit our Keno game here in Ontario, where we only have 70 numbers in our Keno instead of 80. So I guess I can make each side 35 numbers (7x5).

But before I get started, I wanted to know if there was any particular reason why you alternated from side to side when you developed your chart? Did you have something in mind when you made it A) 1-21-41-61 K) 11-31-51-71 instead of making it A) 1-11-21-31 K) 41-51-61-71?

Actually I did, I tried my best to simulate something similar to a VTRAC chart the best I could, and thats what I came up with LOL. If I can get more time to think, I may be able to improve on it. But what I found using that chart is that when one side has hits, the next game the other side will hit 10 +/- points apart from the last number from the opposite side. So, in other words, if 21 hit from the left side of the chart, I expect that 31 will hit. Or if 21 and 41 hit, I can expect that 31 or 51 may hit next game. That was my premise for using the chart that way. But of course, things can change especially when you have ballset changes, that throws everything off and creates a new patterns somewhere else you have to look.

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Quote: Originally posted by Bluegal1 on Dec 15, 2020
Im so sorry for getting back to you so late. But I'll go on to explain as best I can:

1 )I dont see why using a range of 40 wont work, as opposed to 50 game range. I just personally noticed its much easier to track the numbers based on at least 1/2 of the numbers in the game; so 80 numbers split in half is 40, I just randomly choose 50 games based on some stats used by other programs. It makes sense to me that you see numbers wiggling around more and in patterns when you use less of a stretch, such as the entire game history, which to me gives you a slower motion of the numbers as to how they behave 'historically'.

2) I was tired from thinking and typing out so much that I made an error in this. When I meant to highlight in the Quick Stats chart to Games Out, I forgot to say to scroll down all the way to the numbers that hit for that game(0 games out) and look at the AVG SKIPS for the numbers that hit that night, and you'll notice that at least 10 numbers will be an AVG SKIP of between 2.0-2.9 that hit and will be HIGH % ratios. If thats not really clear what Im trying to say, I'll try to post a pic so I can explain better.

3) Thats exactly why I choose to use a lesser range because I find its easier to track the movements of numbers and how they'll jump %'s as they hit or not hit.

4) Its doesnt matter if the ratios are different, just use the range of 40 and the stats you'll need will show the same patterns. When I use my range of 50, I sort them 2 ways and use them in 2 different ways; 1st, I sort by HIT RATIO (high to low) and I use the AVG SKIP within each HIT RATIO and organize on paper the AVG SKIP (2.0-2.9 or whatever it is from low to high)within each HIT RATIO, writing across the lowest hit ratio to the highest, when I do this, I see that the numbers seem to recycle, the high ratios hit and the low numbers wait their turn. With each game you can see them 'move', as they get hot, their hit ratio goes high to a point. You have to find the medium avg ratio where the number starts to get cold, usually the numbers with really high HIT RATIOS are cold numbers. That medium hit ratio will change depending on the range you use. This technique I realize you can use with any draw game. I thought about using it with Take 5 or any daily 5 number draw game because its usually less numbers to track.

The other way I use the Quick Stats charts sorted is by GAMES OUT(high to low) I use this when I see there are no LONG SHOT numbers or less LONG SHOT numbers, because you can see when its sorted this way, which GAMES OUT have more than usual and will become LONG SHOTS(usually games out 5 and above having more than 6 in each is unusual, so I know more of those numbers in those groups will push up, typically the numbers with low HIT RATIOS and high AVG SKIPS.

5) Yes it will vary depending on the range you use, everything flips. I just prefer to use a smaller range because its easier to see how the numbers will move, its like putting all the numbers in a tight squeeze, and watching them dance LOL

6) The numbers HAVE to recycle, high to low, low to high, they can only recycle so many times because the numbers that have been out the longest will eventually HAVE TO HIT, otherwise, the numbers at the bottom will stay there. That just doesnt happen, there are ebbs and flows, highs and lows. Even if you look at the SUM FREQUENCY its the same thing. If you look at the Games Out of View History chart and look at the AVG of at least 10 games, you'll see patterns there, they hit a high and have to go lower. I find in all the Smart Luck charts, the patterns are everywhere, you just have to find them, chart them, plot them, then play them.

When I get some time, I will post a pic to try and further explain how I use the charts.
5)

This is amazing advice. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to share it. Reducing game history, tracking numbers from draw to draw, analyzing the Quick Stats chart, and looking for flow and patterns puts this game on a completely different level. It's easy to see you've been at this for a while :)

It's going to take me a while to wrap my head around all of this. I can see that I will really need to change the way I analyze the numbers, and use a LOT more of Chart 3 (which I have never really paid enough attention to).

I'd also really like to understand more about your tracking system. I think this could drastically improve my game playing. In your previous example, you wrote:

109% (Hit Ratio) - 67, 61, (6), (22), (24), (60), (6), (70) {the number in parentheses are numbers that hit that game}

So then what are the numbers 67 and 61 that are not in parentheses (or was this just a typo)?

And do you save and compare these notes from draw to draw? But if they are sorted by Hit Ratio, rather than by number, what are you looking at that will show you the flow of the numbers? In other words, after the next draw, would you look at the 109% hit ratio group again to see what is in it now, or would you look at numbers 22, 24, 60, etc to see what new changes they might have and where they stand?

If you can get a chance to post a picture or two (perhaps when the rush of the holidays is over), I'd really appreciate it :)

Thanks so much !

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