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Do lottery systems really work?

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Do lottery systems really work?

Yes [ 88 ]  [63.77%]
No [ 26 ]  [18.84%]
As well as q/p's, because it's all random [ 24 ]  [17.39%]
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    Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 20, 2003




    if you would have done a little more homework on me you would have read that i have an open mind. meaning so far i have yet to see any proof that anybody can create an edge using systems to beat the odds in what i believe is a truly random game. thats one of the other reasons that i am in here. to see if someone does.


    Easy there VD..."a little more homework" just because I said I couldn't claim to have read all of your posts, doesnt mean I haven't done "my homework."  that is a big leap...I have read alot of your posts--I cant be sure about all of them--I was just being trying to be precise.  So far however, I see no evidence of your open mind.  (And for the record, the object is to improve the odds.)

    If you had done your homework you would have read my entire post...and maybe your open mind would have understood that your conclusions are based on a misunderstanding of the facts. 

    For example:

     1.  You keep referring to the lottery as a random game...that is not accurate.  the lottery DRAW is a random process.  A thing cannot be random, only a process can be random. 

    2.  Just because a process is random, does not mean probabilities do not apply.



    e.g.  With Venus and Serena Williams playing for USA Olympic Tennis Team, the USA will likely win.  However they could still lose.  Therefore the competition is still a random process.


    Do you see?  A random process does not necessarily produce an unpredictable result.  Just because we know a certain result is unlikely does not necessarily make a competition, lottery, game, etc. deterministic.  The two principles can and do coexist in nature, in life and in the lottery.  The Lottery Commission ensures the process is random.  The process being the weight of the balls, how long they turn in the machine, etc.  But even the Lottery Commission admits that it is possible to see patterns.  The admit this on their websites usually on the pages that allow players to download past winning numbers.  There are deviations of course.  Sometimes all the numbers drawn are odd.  But the important thing is that does not Usually happen.  If you eliminate all combinations that are made of all odd numbers, you have eliminated over 300,000 possible combinations in a 6/49 game.  That is called an improvement.




    "plus you know the age old lottery prediction arguement that most jackpots are won using quick picks."


    Another conclusion based on a faulty premise.  I think that is the age old argument made by QP'ers with bad information.

    I refer you to my previous post...I think I very clearly demonstrated that that is not the case.  Using the FLA lotto example, people who pick their own numbers won a majority of the jackpots while purchasing only 30% of the tickets sold




    "correct me if i am wrong but i have never personally heard of anyone (besides i think steve player) say that they won a jackpot game using a "system". and i am not talking about license plate numbers, birthday numbers, etc."


    okay, I will correct you.  I will use as a reference the press releases of a popular system developer Gail Howard.  Her systems have produced 74 jackpot wins since 1985.  considering such a small amount of people pick their own numbers, and not everyone who picks their own numbers uses her system, we can deduce less than 30% use her system.  That makes 74 jackpots (97 million) seem impressive to me.  You can verify this yourself at www.gailhoward.com  If 74 jackpots doesnt seem like much to you because her systems have been around for a while, remember more people use QP.   


    Truth is what stands the test of experience.
    --Albert Einstein


     

      Lottowiz34's avatar - spider
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      Give me a break VisionDude,your so predictable I'm just having FUN busting your CHOPS,sorry if I hurt your feelings.I can say what ever I want in here remember this is a "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" regulated forum as long as I don't insult anyone with profanity.So if you don't have the VISION too see whether I'm serious or not then you obviously are BLIND too the TRUTH my friend.I'm just having FUN I could care less about your beliefs or whether you think my method of playing works or not so

      I'll send you a bottle of "CHILL PILLS" if you'd like?

        Lottowiz34's avatar - spider
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        Posted: May 20, 2003, 8:01 am - IP Logged

        Honestly VisionDude why should I care what you think you

        don't pay me when I "HIT" the numbers the FL Lottery does!!! Gosh DUDE relax it's just a game,GOOD LUCK on your $1 Quick-Picks!!!!

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          Posted: May 20, 2003, 9:01 am - IP Logged

          Hi to all,

          VAL

          Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me: I may not follow.

          Just walk beside me and be my friend.

                    Albert Camus

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            Posted: May 20, 2003, 10:24 pm - IP Logged

            midwstrngirl,

            i stand cor

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

              Lottowiz34's avatar - spider
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              Posted: May 21, 2003, 12:46 am - IP Logged

              Thanks,glad you SEE things more CLEARLY now,no hard feelings okay Brother!!!!

                Lottowiz34's avatar - spider
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                Posted: May 21, 2003, 12:52 am - IP Logged

                Oh and by the way the Gail Howard testimonials are FOR REAL I investigated them myself in 1997.And too answer your question about why these developers don't win using there own systems how do you know they haven't?

                Steve Player has won many times using his own systems and that's been verified by a colleaque of mine.Don't be so suspicious of everyone these people aren't trying too take anyone for a ride,the only ride they want too help you with is the ride too cashing in a WINNING TICKET!!!

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                  Posted: May 23, 2003, 2:39 pm - IP Logged

                  Whether you believe in systems or not, good luck to all!  Personally, winning a JACKPOT lottery is pure luck. 

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                    Posted: May 23, 2003, 6:02 pm - IP Logged

                    Systems shouldn't be viewed as something to believe in but rather a tool to pick numbers.  Do they work?  Yes.  If you want to cover all the combinations of 4's in a group of numbers, a wheeling system will do that.  If you want to pick numbers within certain parameters and the system is designed right it will do that.  Just because a system pick numbers within the parameters you chose does not mean you are going to have a winning combinsation. If your system picked a thousand numbers to play, it will never do as well as the many of thousands of QP's for the same drawing.  The only way to prove anything one way or the other is to have a controled situation where the same number of QP's and system picked numbers are  compared over the same period of time.  Systems players probaly have used QP's and are convinced they are better off using a system and having control over the numbers they play. Systems or QP's, most players are not going to win the big one.

                    RJOh 

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                      It's only "Pure Luck" if you believe that it is, I personally think that people who believe it's Luck if thay WIN money in Lottery games probably don't have any other way of playing except buying quick-picks or using

                      personal numbers they feel are "Lucky".I use too play that way yrs ago and when I got tired of waiting for LUCK too strike I started using STRATEGY.Luck means you don't make an intelligent decision in your number choices using Strategies means you make an intelligent choice based on statistical probability which has nothing too do with luck I'm afraid.

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                        Posted: May 23, 2003, 6:23 pm - IP Logged

                        Actually RJOh the big misconception about systems is that all of them "SELECT NUMBERS" or "do all the work" well that depends on the system.Certain systems do select numbers for you but the majority of them don't.They just give you information showing the most likely numbers too be drawn then the player makes the final decision.Then there's some software that will DO ALL THE WORK and select and wheel your numbers but most of them don't.The player must make the final decision in what numbers too play,see playing the Lottery is gambling and requires skill just like in the Casino Card games where the players use skill and if Profesional Lottery Players are skilled and experienced they will be able too pick numbers correctly and win.Some players in this forum that may use a system or strategy might not be that skilled at selecting there numbers therefore they believe the system doesn't work when it's really there fault.They are relying too much on the system when there suppose too do the major decision making concerning the numbers.I know this because I use to do the same thing when I first started using systems in 1997 I expected the system too give me the numbers instead of learning how too select based on the information given too me by the system.Lottery Systems are TOOLS like you said but if a player doesn't

                        use the TOOLS correctly they won't ever WIN.

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                          Posted: May 23, 2003, 7:01 pm - IP Logged

                          Lottowiz I think at this forum there is a group in both camp, but neither camp is big enough to have produce a winner.  Hopefully someday someone will win a jackpot and will have bragging rights for how to win the lottery.  I am a system player.  I developed my own system base on what I wished I had done when I lost and what I did do when I won.  I track my wins and losts and adjust my system accordingly.  Picking my own numbers is half the fun of playing the lottery.

                          RJOh 

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                            Posted: May 23, 2003, 7:51 pm - IP Logged

                            lottowiz,



                            if i won, would you consider it "luck"?

                            VDQPLS

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                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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