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Tenn. lawmakers want to force lottery to drop computer draws

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Posted: March 27, 2008, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

As much as I think that Rebecca did a great job getting the TN lottery up and running in a short amount of time, she has now cashed it all of her credibility, and so I second the motion for her resignation.  All in favor, say aye...

aye

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    I have to say that he is the best govenor that I have seen in TN.  He is FOR the state.  He has to be the one to make the tough choices.  He is correct in his statement ..let the lottery commission do their job.  Instead of getting mired down in the lottery mess, the legislature could give them a list of questions to investigate.  The first question on the list I would give them is how does using balls costs 5 million more per year?  Is that the salaries of the people who draw the balls?  If it is, I WANT that job!  If it is television, they should be able to work that out so the cost is lower.  They only use about 1-1:30 minutes of television time with the computers giving the drawings  but they run MORE commercials. Commercials cost money.

    I would love to have that job too at that pay.

     

    As for commercials costing...

    Isn't commercials just advertising that have to pay big bucks during the time people watch TV the most.   I would say that an advertising would cost more around the time they were about to drop the balls.  Would you not think so?

     

    Think about the Super Bowl commercials... They are the highest paid commericals in a year.   

    With that being said... the ball droppings for the TV station should be free and those who are advertising around that time slot should be more expensive.

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      konane's avatar - wallace
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      Posted: March 28, 2008, 7:42 am - IP Logged

      I hope the Tennessee Lottery is able to secure a director and staff which will

      (1) listen to player input

      (2) listen to player input [not a typo]

      (3) assure all aspects of its operations are transparent to reinvent its image, restore player confidence in its honesty.

      Good luck to everyone!

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        Posted: March 28, 2008, 11:33 am - IP Logged

        earlier this month this happened.....

         

         

        CASH 43/4/2008Evening2371$87,800.00
        CASH 43/3/2008Mid-Day1372$13,900.00
        CASH 43/3/2008Evening1723$53,400.00

         

         

        funny thing is i bet the tennessee lottery let it slip on by but i caught on.

        I seen this posted before but I never really noticed it until now. I see more then just you seen and caught it because of the payouts going up on each draw. I wish I had seen it or caught it but since they changed to the computer I really couldn't care for the TN lottery. I still track doubles on pick three but that's about it.

        I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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          Posted: March 28, 2008, 2:05 pm - IP Logged

          While you don't normally expect to see repeating digits or numbers in computerized drawings they do occur just like ball drawings. Some people play what could be called a back up bet. They play the last number that came out hoping for such an occurrence. Seemed like it worked out very well for some people since the payout grew for the third draw. I'm not condoning computerized drawings by a long shot. It could also have been a software hiccup. Since theoretically it's not supposed to happen as the seed program should have created a different number for each draw.

          I have a friend who made a homemade RNG box from parts bought a radio shack and whenever we played with it we rarely got the same number to come up twice in a row and i cant remember if it ever came up 3 times in a row. The same numbers did come up boxed or straight in a series of draws which we blew off as an anomaly.

          Now considering that Tennessee uses this rng software and they do pre draws and tests. In actuality the number that we are discussing didn't come up three times in a row it came up three time during a sequence of draws. Which is a far cry from three draws in a row. Now whether that is normal or not can be disputed. But not verified. This is just another reason in along line of reasons why Tennessee should bring back the mechanical ball drawings. As seeing is believing and computers leave doubts in the players minds.  

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            I would love to have that job too at that pay.

             

            As for commercials costing...

            Isn't commercials just advertising that have to pay big bucks during the time people watch TV the most.   I would say that an advertising would cost more around the time they were about to drop the balls.  Would you not think so?

             

            Think about the Super Bowl commercials... They are the highest paid commericals in a year.   

            With that being said... the ball droppings for the TV station should be free and those who are advertising around that time slot should be more expensive.

            Are the live drawings programing, commercials, or both?

            I think they are both and might even profit the lottery because when people change channels to watch the drawings, they will see the commercials at end of the previous show and will see the commercials before the next show while they are checking their tickets. Jeopardy is on after the drawing on the TV station I watch and the station will scroll the numbers on the bottom of the screen after the first commercial break while the contestants are being interviewed for the people that might have missed the drawing.

            There probably is an extra cost to the lottery for buying and maintaining equipment and that should be examined if a state lottery always used computer drawings. But since Tennessee had problems and player distrust after they switch to RNG drawings, the extra cost would be well worth it.

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              Posted: March 29, 2008, 2:43 pm - IP Logged

              Dropping computer drawings and returning to live ball drawings would go a long way in regaining the faith of lottery players.Getting rid of Rebecca Hargrove would go even further.

              IF TN. is going to sell $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

              "BOOTLEG" Balls"

              They should cut Lotto ticket  PRICE'$$$$

              in>>>>>>>>HALF

              BUT and remember there is ALWAY's a BUTT out there............

              U-get watcha U

              PAY>>>>>>FOR!!!

              Jack-in-the-BoxWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceJack-in-the-Box

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                IF TN. is going to sell $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                "BOOTLEG" Balls"

                They should cut Lotto ticket  PRICE'$$$$

                in>>>>>>>>HALF

                BUT and remember there is ALWAY's a BUTT out there............

                U-get watcha U

                PAY>>>>>>FOR!!!

                Jack-in-the-BoxWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceWhite BounceJack-in-the-Box

                PSYKOMO 

                This is just gibberish to me...might as well be talking in martian.

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                  Posted: March 30, 2008, 12:25 am - IP Logged

                  I don't know about other places, but in Michigan when they had the ball drawings, they did them between the 7 and 7:30 shows (Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy) and Jeopardy started up right after the drawing, so no time for commercials. Besides, the commercials would be for the benefit of the stations, not the lottery. The lottery has to pay for that minute or so of airtime because it's time that would otherwise be set aside for commercials. I still don't see how it would cost $5 million to have a little 30 second - 1 minute drawing. There has to be a way to cheaply produce something like that. You shouldn't really even need a host, so to speak. Just show the numbers being drawn and have a voice stating what they are. Voices are a lot cheaper than regular hosts. Heck, maybe somebody from the lottery office could provide the voice as part of his or her job without the lottery having to pay a dime more. Just a thought.

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                    I don't know about other places, but in Michigan when they had the ball drawings, they did them between the 7 and 7:30 shows (Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy) and Jeopardy started up right after the drawing, so no time for commercials. Besides, the commercials would be for the benefit of the stations, not the lottery. The lottery has to pay for that minute or so of airtime because it's time that would otherwise be set aside for commercials. I still don't see how it would cost $5 million to have a little 30 second - 1 minute drawing. There has to be a way to cheaply produce something like that. You shouldn't really even need a host, so to speak. Just show the numbers being drawn and have a voice stating what they are. Voices are a lot cheaper than regular hosts. Heck, maybe somebody from the lottery office could provide the voice as part of his or her job without the lottery having to pay a dime more. Just a thought.

                    Tennessee was putting out big bucks for live drawings because they had several TV stations televising the drawings at the same time. I think it was like 5 stations. No wonder the bill was high.

                    I still say Tennessee lottery only needs one station to host the drawing and the others can show the results on their screens in a little box like other state lottery's do.

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                      Are the live drawings programing, commercials, or both?

                      I think they are both and might even profit the lottery because when people change channels to watch the drawings, they will see the commercials at end of the previous show and will see the commercials before the next show while they are checking their tickets. Jeopardy is on after the drawing on the TV station I watch and the station will scroll the numbers on the bottom of the screen after the first commercial break while the contestants are being interviewed for the people that might have missed the drawing.

                      There probably is an extra cost to the lottery for buying and maintaining equipment and that should be examined if a state lottery always used computer drawings. But since Tennessee had problems and player distrust after they switch to RNG drawings, the extra cost would be well worth it.

                      does new hampshire have computerized drawing.i sent a email to the lottery commissinor  she said they were not and also they would stay with 2 draws a day on the pick 4 and 3 which really thows off the odds

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                        does new hampshire have computerized drawing.i sent a email to the lottery commissinor  she said they were not and also they would stay with 2 draws a day on the pick 4 and 3 which really thows off the odds

                        Under "Results" ...... top menu bar ....... go to "State Lottery Report Card" for a rundown of evey lottery.

                        Good luck to everyone!

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                          I totally agree! People who want to watch "Deal or No Deal" know where to find it! The same would be for the lottery drawings.  I do not like Bredesen's response to the legislature's intervention in the computerized drawings, from the first coverage of Bredesen introducing Hargrove and defending her outrageous salary!! The 5 million dollar figure is bogus propaganda to try and keep it her way.  The software is crap! That was proven from the beginning when it was so quickly compromised!  I suspect Hargrove had her palm greased for securing that contract!

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                            Hey TN,

                            When you do go to Natural Ball Drawn Numbers, send me that PC you've been using to pick those Unnatural Computer Generated Number. I want to reverse engineer / decomplie the code used to pick those wack numbers. Maybe see if there is something on there that shouldn't be on there, you-know-what-i'm-sayin'... or at least you should... know-what-i'm-sayin'...  Wink ...you'll find out. Cool

                            I dont think the lotteries are anywhere near stupid enough to deliberately risk anything that keeps drawings from being random, but the idea of reverse engineering the code brings up an important point. Any code used for lottery drawings, voting, or anything else that requires transparency and public trust should be readily available to anyone who wants to examine it.

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                              Any code used for lottery drawings, voting, or anything else that requires transparency and public trust should be readily available to anyone who wants to examine it.

                               

                              Exactly,so when can we be invited to see how this thing works everyday?