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Posted: July 16, 2010, 6:01 pm - IP Logged

Okay rd,. Where  you fail to concede is: Excessive force was used. And until you can fairly agree it was we have no further need to talk.

I respect life and differences, pity you toss mud at folks when they disagree with you. I shouldnt be surprised that you cant separate the actions of a person from the person themself.

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    Posted: July 16, 2010, 6:13 pm - IP Logged

    In somewhat related news.....

     

    I have 19 days left in the law enforcement academy.

     

    Because I have a full-time job, it has taken me almost one year of weekends to complete the academy.

     

    Over half of the academy has been spent studying and understanding the U.S. Constitution and the rights of citizens.

     

    You may now resume your bashing of law enforcement personnel.

    Congratulaltions!  Hopefully you will bring honor to your badge.  Too many laws make your job very difficult.   Presume innocence always.

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      Posted: July 16, 2010, 6:51 pm - IP Logged

      My philosophy is that it's not about how many people you can arrest, it's about how many people you can help.

       

      I will refrain from commenting on the article until more details are released.

       

      However, if the law enforcement officers violated Mr. Amador's rights, then they should be tried and punished through the criminal justice system.

      BE JOYFUL ALWAYS, PRAY CONTINUALLY, AND GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.

        truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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        Posted: July 16, 2010, 7:09 pm - IP Logged

        I think I get it.  If the cops are looking for someone and find the correct person then and only then are they justified to use a taser, brass knuckles, kicking, punching, nightsticks and bullets.   Fully justified.

        The problem with that philosophy is they make more mistakes than you or I will ever know about.  That is why they have rules to play by.  Not using excessive force would be one of those rules.  It is a total shame that Rodney King became the poster child for excessive force because after all he was the one they were looking for and a criminal.  However, the lawsuit was decided in his favor and caused the L.A. Police force to reconsider their tactics.

        Hopefully, if one of the good guys (i.e. me and you) are a victim of excessive force, we will benefit from the Rodney King episode.  Definitely 23-year-old Henry Stevens Amador should benefit since he wasn't the guy they were looking for.   More importantly, the officers involved should lose their jobs.

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          Okay rd,. Where  you fail to concede is: Excessive force was used. And until you can fairly agree it was we have no further need to talk.

          I respect life and differences, pity you toss mud at folks when they disagree with you. I shouldnt be surprised that you cant separate the actions of a person from the person themself.

          Au contraire, mon frere. Excessive force was not used. They were trying to subdue and cuff him - he was resisting.

          I'll ask you the same question I asked the other lady: Seeing that the force you call excessive wasn't working, what should they have done? They had already tased him twice to no effect and pummeled his arms and legs with their batons and it wasn't working. He still wouldn't allow them to cuff him at that point.

          What is your answer to that question?

          What should they have done differently?

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          You say unless I can fairly "agree" with you, we have no further need to talk. That is so typical of you people. Anybody else's opinion is simply dismissed out of hand. There is no debate, you are right, we are wrong and if we don't agree there is no need for further talk. Well, alrighty then.

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          You respect life and differences? For who? You never once mentioned all the people killed and shot and stabbed and beaten for no reason. You were only concerned about poor Rodney getting a few bruises on his dope-smoking, drunk-driving, arrest resisting, worthless self. I have to wonder if it's a physical attraction that makes you not care about all the innocent people who died because of him. I mean we hear of these women all the time who fall in love with death row killers and sometimes even marry them.

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          I don't toss mud at folks who disagree with me. But I do shine the light of truth on people who are being disingenuous, obsequiously servile to political correctness or just blatantly wrong about something.

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          You shouldn't be surprised that I can't separate the actions of a person from the person themself? What kind of mush-mouthed, touchy-feely, mumbo-jumbo is that?

          Well anyway, you're absolutely right on that count. I don't believe in blaming "society" for every bad thing every person does. I believe the person gets the blame. 

          That's called personal responsibility.

          And it used to be common before your crowd took over.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Posted: July 16, 2010, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

            I think I get it.  If the cops are looking for someone and find the correct person then and only then are they justified to use a taser, brass knuckles, kicking, punching, nightsticks and bullets.   Fully justified.

            The problem with that philosophy is they make more mistakes than you or I will ever know about.  That is why they have rules to play by.  Not using excessive force would be one of those rules.  It is a total shame that Rodney King became the poster child for excessive force because after all he was the one they were looking for and a criminal.  However, the lawsuit was decided in his favor and caused the L.A. Police force to reconsider their tactics.

            Hopefully, if one of the good guys (i.e. me and you) are a victim of excessive force, we will benefit from the Rodney King episode.  Definitely 23-year-old Henry Stevens Amador should benefit since he wasn't the guy they were looking for.   More importantly, the officers involved should lose their jobs.

            I think we could agree (maybe not) that the lawsuit was found in his favor to avoid more bloodshed.

            53 people dead and they make him a multi-millionaire for causing it. Wow.

            Not only a multi-millionaire but the dreamboat and heart-throb of multitudes of swooning women.

            Oh, Rodney!   LoverLoveLovies


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                        --Edmund Burke

             

             

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              Posted: July 16, 2010, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

              History lesson, I think this is correct:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

              This part is the most revealing of the true capabilities of law enforcement and why I never worry about the govt. TAKING OVER as long as we got 2nd amendment.  Police are human and are seriously outnumbered  don't let them take your firearms!

              From the article:

              "Although the day began relatively quietly, by mid-morning on the second day violence appeared widespread and unchecked as heavy looting and fires were witnessed across Los Angeles County. The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store workers, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mob. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers were forced to shoot at the mob to protect their businesses, and most likely their lives, from crowds of violent looters.[29] Organized law-enforcement response began to come together by mid-day. Fire crews began to respond backed by police escort; California Highway Patrol reinforcements were airlifted to the city; and Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley announced a dusk-to-dawn curfew at 12:15 AM. President George H. W. Bush spoke out against the rioting, stating that "anarchy" would not be tolerated. The California National Guard, which had been advised not to expect civil disturbance, responded quickly by calling up some 2,000 soldiers, but could not get them to the city until nearly 24 hours had passed because of a lack of proper equipment, training, and available ammunition which had to be picked up from Camp Roberts, California (near Paso Robles)."

              Remember this was local.  They could not handle this without bringing in the national guard! A hood in LA!  Do you think they could handle anything without outright bomb dropping?  The cops are human and have caved in Michigan,  DC, Philly, LA..............

              They are human and they are fellow citizens.

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                Posted: July 16, 2010, 9:30 pm - IP Logged

                That thing about Rodney King. I am on the side of the ladies saying police used excessive force.

                There was 4 policemen kicking and bludgeoning 1 man, right? They could have easily pinned him

                down and hand cuffed him unless they didn't care for his life and were trying to arrest, prosecute and sentence him all at once..

                That money's gone fo ever

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                  Posted: July 16, 2010, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

                  That thing about Rodney King. I am on the side of the ladies saying police used excessive force.

                  There was 4 policemen kicking and bludgeoning 1 man, right? They could have easily pinned him

                  down and hand cuffed him unless they didn't care for his life and were trying to arrest, prosecute and sentence him all at once..

                  I'm convinced, it's genetic.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                              --Edmund Burke

                   

                   

                    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                    Posted: July 16, 2010, 9:56 pm - IP Logged

                    History lesson, I think this is correct:

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

                    This part is the most revealing of the true capabilities of law enforcement and why I never worry about the govt. TAKING OVER as long as we got 2nd amendment.  Police are human and are seriously outnumbered  don't let them take your firearms!

                    From the article:

                    "Although the day began relatively quietly, by mid-morning on the second day violence appeared widespread and unchecked as heavy looting and fires were witnessed across Los Angeles County. The Korean American community, seeing the police force's abandonment of Koreatown, organized armed security teams composed of store workers, who defended their livelihoods from assault by the mob. Open gun battles were televised as Korean shopkeepers were forced to shoot at the mob to protect their businesses, and most likely their lives, from crowds of violent looters.[29] Organized law-enforcement response began to come together by mid-day. Fire crews began to respond backed by police escort; California Highway Patrol reinforcements were airlifted to the city; and Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley announced a dusk-to-dawn curfew at 12:15 AM. President George H. W. Bush spoke out against the rioting, stating that "anarchy" would not be tolerated. The California National Guard, which had been advised not to expect civil disturbance, responded quickly by calling up some 2,000 soldiers, but could not get them to the city until nearly 24 hours had passed because of a lack of proper equipment, training, and available ammunition which had to be picked up from Camp Roberts, California (near Paso Robles)."

                    Remember this was local.  They could not handle this without bringing in the national guard! A hood in LA!  Do you think they could handle anything without outright bomb dropping?  The cops are human and have caved in Michigan,  DC, Philly, LA..............

                    They are human and they are fellow citizens.

                    Thanks for the link Jarasan.

                    I read the whole thing which further bolstered my position.

                    Maringoman saw the picture and that was enough for him to join the ladies in devotion to Rodney.

                    I was hoping that maybe he might have at least read the part about the lady police officer who Rodney spat blood on while laughing in the police car who later killed herself.

                    Not that he or the ladies would care.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                      What I do not understand is why names like "liberal" and " conservative" are tossed around like they hateful meanings to them. I thought " right was right" and " wrong is wrong". The bottom line is police have a difficult job to do. Some policeman do their jobs and do it well. Some abuse their power... just like many people who have power sometimes tend to do. There are many people who were wrongfully abused by cops and some who deserved to have their arses handed to them on a platter. Let me also say that this is just  my opinion.

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                        What I do not understand is why names like "liberal" and " conservative" are tossed around like they hateful meanings to them. I thought " right was right" and " wrong is wrong". The bottom line is police have a difficult job to do. Some policeman do their jobs and do it well. Some abuse their power... just like many people who have power sometimes tend to do. There are many people who were wrongfully abused by cops and some who deserved to have their arses handed to them on a platter. Let me also say that this is just  my opinion.

                        I agree with your opinion.

                        And Rodney was one of those who "deserved to have their arses handed to them on a platter."

                        No doubt about it.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

                        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                    --Edmund Burke

                         

                         


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                          okay where you folks FAIL to stand back and be realistic is that He (R King) was excessively beatn and held. I dont care if he had a record or not, it was EXCESSIVE force!!! Which part is so difficult to understand??  Somehow you are each of the  mind set that its contingent on your "education" or where you stand in the eyes of society as to whether its OKAY to beat the heck out of someone or not. SOrry No one and I mean no one is ABOVE another in life. We are equals and deserve the same rights to fairness. Enuff said. Now go get some WD 40 to open up the mind...its getting rusty.

                          Fourme- Sorry to hear of this incident in your town....Let me know how the indictment fairs....Not a fan of some police forces and how they practice....The family deserves justice....

                          I Agree! YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!! A criminal or not the law is suppose to be follow and in this case it wasn't ,some people kill me to say oh! he's a criminal so we don't have to follow the law. That why we have the courts, they(police)  can't be judge, jury and executor.Oh! that the first  time our eyes lied to us,the police actually started it by not following procedures.That was EXCESSIVE FORCE!!! anyway you look at it. It was wrong also for innocent people to be killed or hurt.Another example free speech for everybody just because their saying something you don't you don't have thing right to shut them up! One other important fact if the man was intoxicate how in the world was he coherent to follow a command.A lot of policeman still today, after all the shoot first ask questions later do this, they are costing the taxpayers. I hope he's  compensatedThumbs Up

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                            I Agree! YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!! A criminal or not the law is suppose to be follow and in this case it wasn't ,some people kill me to say oh! he's a criminal so we don't have to follow the law. That why we have the courts, they(police)  can't be judge, jury and executor.Oh! that the first  time our eyes lied to us,the police actually started it by not following procedures.That was EXCESSIVE FORCE!!! anyway you look at it. It was wrong also for innocent people to be killed or hurt.Another example free speech for everybody just because their saying something you don't you don't have thing right to shut them up! One other important fact if the man was intoxicate how in the world was he coherent to follow a command.A lot of policeman still today, after all the shoot first ask questions later do this, they are costing the taxpayers. I hope he's  compensatedThumbs Up

                            Your eyes didn't lie to you Weezy. You saw what the liberal news media wanted you to see. They cut out the first minute and a half where he was attacking the police. And you continue to believe everything they tell you and everything they show you. They count on people like you to believe them and you never let them down. People like you, who can't think for themselves are the life-blood of the mainstream news media.

                            I think you can stop worrying about Rodney's bruises now though Weezy. They're all healed up. Don't worry about the 53 dead or the thousands shot, stabbed or beaten and what their families still endure to this day. Let's worry about the criminal driving drunk and leading police on a 100 mph chase while on parole for robbery who attacked them and resisted arrest after finally being stopped. Let's make sure he's comfortable.

                            You said you hope he's compensated. He was compensated Weezy. He got 3.8 million dollars for his bruises. Then he compensated every hooker and drug dealer and liquor store for miles around with it. He had a big party with that blood money.

                            And that makes you happy, doesn't it Weezy?


                                                                         
                                                 
                                                                     

                             

                             

                             

                             

                                                                                                                               

                            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                              Your eyes didn't lie to you Weezy. You saw what the liberal news media wanted you to see. They cut out the first minute and a half where he was attacking the police. And you continue to believe everything they tell you and everything they show you. They count on people like you to believe them and you never let them down. People like you, who can't think for themselves are the life-blood of the mainstream news media.

                              I think you can stop worrying about Rodney's bruises now though Weezy. They're all healed up. Don't worry about the 53 dead or the thousands shot, stabbed or beaten and what their families still endure to this day. Let's worry about the criminal driving drunk and leading police on a 100 mph chase while on parole for robbery who attacked them and resisted arrest after finally being stopped. Let's make sure he's comfortable.

                              You said you hope he's compensated. He was compensated Weezy. He got 3.8 million dollars for his bruises. Then he compensated every hooker and drug dealer and liquor store for miles around with it. He had a big party with that blood money.

                              And that makes you happy, doesn't it Weezy?

                              No NoNo, it doesn't make me happy ,never when innocent  people are kill or hurt, I was referring  to the man in San Jose, that was beaten by the cops. Truly hope he's compensated although he will probaby still have flashbacks.No one should be above the law.