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Iowa Lottery investigators may not recommend paying out jackpot

An Iowa Lottery spokeswoman says a New York attorney behind the jackpot mystery didn't answer key questions during their meeting Tuesday.

She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said Thursday Crawford Shaw declined to reveal who bought the winning ticket and how he got it. She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

Neubauer says the meeting was cordial, but investigators told him they couldn't recommend paying the jackpot worth $7.5 million or more until he answered questions.

She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

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Posted: January 20, 2012, 1:18 pm - IP Logged

Iowa Lottery investigators may not recommend paying out jackpot

An Iowa Lottery spokeswoman says a New York attorney behind the jackpot mystery didn't answer key questions during their meeting Tuesday.

She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said Thursday Crawford Shaw declined to reveal who bought the winning ticket and how he got it. She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

Neubauer says the meeting was cordial, but investigators told him they couldn't recommend paying the jackpot worth $7.5 million or more until he answered questions.

She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

 

Don't worry about the document being made public during the investigation, who's to say the Lottery Commission wouldn't inadvertantly release the document after the investigation revealing the identification of the winner.

After all the Lottery Commission is a government agency and you know they will turn on you faster than a cheap pair of shoes.


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    She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

     

    Don't worry about the document being made public during the investigation, who's to say the Lottery Commission wouldn't inadvertantly release the document after the investigation revealing the identification of the winner.

    After all the Lottery Commission is a government agency and you know they will turn on you faster than a cheap pair of shoes.

    The trust agreement does not have to list the beneficiaries of the trust. Having a copy of the trust does not appear to be helping identify the winner.


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      Posted: January 20, 2012, 2:42 pm - IP Logged

      Iowa Lottery investigators may not recommend paying out jackpot

      An Iowa Lottery spokeswoman says a New York attorney behind the jackpot mystery didn't answer key questions during their meeting Tuesday.

      She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

      Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said Thursday Crawford Shaw declined to reveal who bought the winning ticket and how he got it. She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

      Neubauer says the meeting was cordial, but investigators told him they couldn't recommend paying the jackpot worth $7.5 million or more until he answered questions.

      She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

      Something is  suspicious here. I like the way the lottery is doing its job to making sure the real winner get the money. I believe they should have done the same thing for those rich folks who won the $254 million recently because that was also weird. But I'm just saying though.

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        Who cares who the winner is?  The only people that are going to know this person are the people that he has had contact with.  The Lottery Commission should just pay out the ticket and be done with it.  If they don't pay out the ticket then why do we play the lottery in the first place?  If the Lottery Commission wants to be nit-picky about who wins, then maybe we should all just quit buying tickets.  I bet they change their tune when their sales plummet to zero.  I love playing the lottery.  But totally stupid moves like this makes me want to quit playing.  Besides, everybody knows, or should know, that the lottery, any of them, is the absolute worst bet on the planet.  A 50% house edge.  That is a mighty steep house edge to overcome.  And yet we still play.  Grinding out our work outs, tracking our numbers, analyzing or trying to discover patterns, and jus hoping our luck will change for the better.  Play on MacDuff!!  Play on!

        The possibilites are endless.... might as well start at the begining

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          Posted: January 20, 2012, 3:22 pm - IP Logged

          There is more to this story than what we have heard so far. Something has triggered a red flag with the lottery leading to this additional scrutiny ... too soon to blame to lottery on this one.

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            Who cares who the winner is?  The only people that are going to know this person are the people that he has had contact with.  The Lottery Commission should just pay out the ticket and be done with it.  If they don't pay out the ticket then why do we play the lottery in the first place?  If the Lottery Commission wants to be nit-picky about who wins, then maybe we should all just quit buying tickets.  I bet they change their tune when their sales plummet to zero.  I love playing the lottery.  But totally stupid moves like this makes me want to quit playing.  Besides, everybody knows, or should know, that the lottery, any of them, is the absolute worst bet on the planet.  A 50% house edge.  That is a mighty steep house edge to overcome.  And yet we still play.  Grinding out our work outs, tracking our numbers, analyzing or trying to discover patterns, and jus hoping our luck will change for the better.  Play on MacDuff!!  Play on!

            I too like that the Iowa Lottery is playing hardball in this case.  Truthfully, I smell a rat and it isn't the lottery.  When I win, I am going to buck the going LP party line and I am going to go public with my jackpot.  You will see my smiling, pearly whites on TV.  Though, I will schedule to have LASIK eye surgery performed before I do go claim it so I can go there sans prescription glasses, but wear some ridiculous Flava Flav type glasses so that all of America can think that a buffoon is claiming the jackpot.  I will be laughing my A** off as I board every plane headed for an overseas destination sitting in FIRST CLASS. So I won't be denied! This lawyer sounds like he is trying to get over, and I would suspect that he is actually trying to claim the jackpot for himself and cut the real winner out of the picture.  The real winner is likely an illegal and he is taking trying to take advantage of the situation (not that I condone illegal aliens being in US, but stealing is stealing and it is wrong).  Whatever the case, I am glad that his trip to Iowa was not fruitful.  Like I said, I smell a rat, and if you have never been to NY, I can tell you that rats walk the streets in broad daylight.  This guy is a rat.  There! I said it.  Now sue me big bad lawyer man!

            Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

            The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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              I too like that the Iowa Lottery is playing hardball in this case.  Truthfully, I smell a rat and it isn't the lottery.  When I win, I am going to buck the going LP party line and I am going to go public with my jackpot.  You will see my smiling, pearly whites on TV.  Though, I will schedule to have LASIK eye surgery performed before I do go claim it so I can go there sans prescription glasses, but wear some ridiculous Flava Flav type glasses so that all of America can think that a buffoon is claiming the jackpot.  I will be laughing my A** off as I board every plane headed for an overseas destination sitting in FIRST CLASS. So I won't be denied! This lawyer sounds like he is trying to get over, and I would suspect that he is actually trying to claim the jackpot for himself and cut the real winner out of the picture.  The real winner is likely an illegal and he is taking trying to take advantage of the situation (not that I condone illegal aliens being in US, but stealing is stealing and it is wrong).  Whatever the case, I am glad that his trip to Iowa was not fruitful.  Like I said, I smell a rat, and if you have never been to NY, I can tell you that rats walk the streets in broad daylight.  This guy is a rat.  There! I said it.  Now sue me big bad lawyer man!

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                Posted: January 20, 2012, 7:43 pm - IP Logged

                Something is  suspicious here. I like the way the lottery is doing its job to making sure the real winner get the money. I believe they should have done the same thing for those rich folks who won the $254 million recently because that was also weird. But I'm just saying though.

                "those rich folks". I don't get it?!*&% If they are "rich", why do they live in a modest home in San Jose? $500,000 gets you a modest home there! IDK what is wierd about this other you don't like the "rich". They did what expected of them to claim the prize! Time to move on.

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                  dpoly! you often hit the core of the persons remarks. Well done, well said.

                  Nothing wrong with staying within the confines of the legal system and protecting the clients. I side with the lawyer abiding and keeping tight lipped, a Trust is setup to protect its members. No harm no foul on that level.

                  If a legitimate ticket was remitted and the proper forms for a trust were presented for this payout, I think the Lottery is being intrusive to the formation of a Trust.

                  Gotta love the Lottery for being thorough ....but at what point should they draw the line...?

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                    Posted: January 20, 2012, 8:04 pm - IP Logged

                    Perhaps the lawyer will give them the information they want if they sign an NDA.

                    Gonna win.Big Smile

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                      Iowa Lottery investigators may not recommend paying out jackpot

                      An Iowa Lottery spokeswoman says a New York attorney behind the jackpot mystery didn't answer key questions during their meeting Tuesday.

                      She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

                      Lottery spokeswoman Mary Neubauer said Thursday Crawford Shaw declined to reveal who bought the winning ticket and how he got it. She said Shaw also refused to identify members of Hexam Investments Trust, which would get the proceeds and is being represented by Shaw as its trustee.

                      Neubauer says the meeting was cordial, but investigators told him they couldn't recommend paying the jackpot worth $7.5 million or more until he answered questions.

                      She says Shaw did provide a copy of the trust agreement, but it wasn't detailed. She says the Lottery will not make that document public during the investigation into the jackpot, claimed minutes before the one-year expiration.

                      The trusts are TOOLS/vehicles used extensively both by lawyers and accountants to hide the names of the beneficiaries of the trust and its income distributions. Unlike any other document, such as , title deed etc, TRUST documents are not publicly available for inspection and are not filed with any governemnt agency to comply wth any legal requirement. It is totally at the discretion of the trustees( who appear to be these lawyers in this case)  to share the information of the trust deed or its contents. The beneficiaries can well be another trust , or another trust of another trust etc . It can go in a real chain of trusts ! Due to this inherrent complexities of trusts ( man made complexities ) some countries require any trust nominated as a beneficiary to disclose the ultimate beneficiaries of the trust no matter how conveluded the trust is.

                      It is interesting to see WHO the heck bought this ticket (even in private if they wish) for the Iowa lottery as it is its law to identify the winner. The general public may not be interested , but Iowa lottery should be and it is likely that the matter will be litigated! Lawyers are smart in their own way ( they are notoriously terrible at maths- if you doubt ask Judge JUDY !!)

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                        If Lottery IOWA requires that it identifies the winner hiding behind the trust, then it will take all the measures to do so. Quite rightly. Just handing over a ticket by a bunch of lawyers with the trust deed claiming to represent as trustees the beneficiaries, will not suffice to comply with the Lottery rules of Iowa! After all what is this problem of the winner who refuses to be identified even in private with Iowa lottery ? Many people do it for own security - but in private to satisfy the IOWA lottery - it should be OK !!

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                          There is more to this story than what we have heard so far. Something has triggered a red flag with the lottery leading to this additional scrutiny ... too soon to blame to lottery on this one.

                          I agree.  I am thinking that Iowa Lottery KNOWS how and WHERE the ticket was purchased.  They need to make sure THAT is the person who is handing in the ticket. 

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                            dpoly! you often hit the core of the persons remarks. Well done, well said.

                            Nothing wrong with staying within the confines of the legal system and protecting the clients. I side with the lawyer abiding and keeping tight lipped, a Trust is setup to protect its members. No harm no foul on that level.

                            If a legitimate ticket was remitted and the proper forms for a trust were presented for this payout, I think the Lottery is being intrusive to the formation of a Trust.

                            Gotta love the Lottery for being thorough ....but at what point should they draw the line...?

                            Thank you for your kind remarks. IDK why anyone that Doesn't like the "rich" would want to win money & join them ?!  I am sure that NY Lottery would have already settled the validity question about the recent winners there! Good luck, my friend!