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# West Virginia man wins \$300,000 in Pick 4 lottery

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Wandering Aimlessly
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Ah yes, you're correct, I missed the no draws on Sunday part. Revised my previous post below, and also added the small wins that Stack pointed out, his profit is even better:

WV Daily 4 started 2/26/87, 9598 days, 8227 play days (6 days a week Mon-Sat) until 6/6/13 draw, where he won 60x str \$5000 + 1x str/box \$2600 for total \$302,600.

But analysis of the past amounts and his betting pattern suggests that for 3/14/06 and 1/12/08 draws he got 10x str \$5000 + 1x str/box \$2600 for total \$52,600.

Playing 1-2-3-4 every day and 60 tickets each day conflicts with past amounts, so I would assume he was playing less in the past, \$11 instead of \$61.

Assuming \$11 from 2/26/87 through 1/12/08, 6537 play days at \$11 equals \$71,907. And then upping his play amount to \$61 after the 2nd win from 1/14/08 thru 6/6/13, 1690 play days at \$61 equals \$103,090.

And also add \$2800 in wins from 28 box-only hits from the \$1 str/box bets along the way.

Total spent: \$174,997
Total won: \$410,600

Not bad.
Congrats Larry!

Am I missing something here?  What about taxes?

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 Posted: June 9, 2013, 2:06 am - IP Logged

this might be a Great idea i just Looked and in 30 days 3 states had hit 1 str888 2 box

in 1yr 40 states had 4 str888's 36 box hits.

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Well Jon D, we don't know for sure what this winner's expenditures were, but if we accept what you conjecture as exactly what transpired, what you [and others] have done is demonstrate how POSSIBLE it is to win large sums of money in the lootery, PURELY through the randomness of the draw.  I have demonstrated this in other ways with a simulation, but the results were dismissed here by people who believe they know better.  For those who haven't seen it, click HERE.

Stack47, this is your cue, right?  You will tell us yet again how no "serious" lottery player would play 5 \$1 Quick Picks every day for 5 years.  And when you're through, you will then explain how reasonable and acceptable it was for Mr. Hughes to play 1234 for \$60 [almost] every day for 26 years.  And when you're done doing that, I hope you will spend some time with this simulator and notice how the ROI for Quick Picks is the same as that for static self pick numbers.  Have fun!  It's RANDOM folks!

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I concur that this is basically random luck.

And the luck is really in the 1-2-3-4 in West Virginia being hit 3 times in 8227 draws. Anyone playing 1-2-3-4 in WV since the beginning, whether it be \$1 per draw or \$60 per draw would be turning a profit and be part of that 0.1% of winners.

It's simply because the number fell 3 times more than it was likely to appear. With the \$5000 straight prize, you have a guaranteed profit in that situation. I'm sure you could just as easily, or more easily, do your simulation on just the numbers instead of people and quick picks, and find those small percentage of numbers that will pay a profit just through chance.

In fact, if someone did play 1-2-3-4 at \$60 per day since the start, they'd have \$900,000 in winnings against \$493,620 in wagers. But if some poor schmuck played 9-9-9-9 instead, they be out all of that \$493,620 with not a single dime in winnings to show for it, the other end of the normal distribution.

The reason Larry made the news is because of the coincidence of picking the lucky number to sit on, and using large wagers on that number. Still a good story though.

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60.00 dollars a day,  no telling how long he has been playing......he may have broke even.

my thoughts exactly!!!!

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 Posted: June 9, 2013, 10:30 am - IP Logged

Way to go!!! That's the point I try to stress to people: Play the same numbers DAILY.

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If your going to play the same number every day till it comes out or you die whichever comes first. Put 50/50 on it until the money you spent equals half the payout then start playing it 1.00 st and 50 cent box continue doing this by increasing the bet 50 cent straight whenever the money equals half the payout of the money you spent on said number.

Hopefully you win sooner than later. But beware in most states there are thousands of pick 4 numbers that haven't came out straight yet in 10 - 20 - 30 yrs since your state lottery started.

Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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I'm not pushing any beliefs, simply making an observation of fact: he did not play \$60 straight on the two previous wins of \$52,600. Could it be that on those two days alone, he only played \$11 but every other day he played \$61? Possible, but unlikely. Or did he play some other combination of 60 straight or box to get that exact amount of \$52,600? Possible, but someone else can look it up, I just did the quick overall view.

When he said he plays \$60 each day, I assume he means in recent history of the past several years. You can debate whether that is an accurate intepretation of his interview answer or not, I have no problem with that.

Also, for the record, I'm not a believer in systems nor do I in any way endorse his same number betting strategy. From the statistics and normal distribution, we can predict that most of the people that try to play this way will lose, and a few will lose big time. But a few will also profit, the small 0.1% of players.

Larry seems to be one of the lucky 0.1% of players, that's all. And those are the ones you typically hear about in winners stories anyway.

"When he said he plays \$60 each day, I assume he means in recent history of the past several years."

Just the fact he bet \$61 the drawing he won on means he doesn't bet "\$60 each day". And there are other facts including twice when he bet \$11 and won \$52,600 that must be considered. IMO, your assumption are based on what is known from the article.

"Also, for the record, I'm not a believer in systems nor do I in any way endorse his same number betting strategy."

Even though all of following this story probably believe Hughes' was very lucky, one poster felt the need to tell you what we already knew. Most state lotteries have rules preventing a large number of players using Hughes' strategy by placing a limit on the number of tickets they will sell on on one straight pick-4 number.

"And those are the ones you typically hear about in winners stories anyway."

I didn't read any stories about PB line jumping players who won nothing or any stories about Hughes when he bet \$60 on 1234 and won nothing.

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 Posted: June 9, 2013, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

WTG !!!! I am the next big pick 4 winner ...I AM ! lol

I WIN \$5000 MONTHLY AND EASILY, PLAYING PICK 4 !

JE SUIS UN GRAND GAGNANT ET JE VOIS GRAND !

Start treating WINNING the lottery as a JOB...and then maybe you won't need a job !

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Am I missing something here?  What about taxes?

He paid taxes, but if he was betting \$60 a day, he could deduct about \$18,720 in the years he won in gambling losses.

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 Posted: June 9, 2013, 8:44 pm - IP Logged

WOW!!! This is what is called, PURE DEDICATION or FREAKING ADDICTION, depending on what side of the fence you are. "Congrats my man."

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 Posted: June 10, 2013, 9:48 am - IP Logged

WV Daily 4 started 2/26/87, 9598 days until 6/6/13 draw, where he won 60x str \$5000 + 1x str/box \$2600 for total \$302,600.

But analysis of the past amounts and his betting pattern suggests that for 3/14/06 and 1/12/08 draws he got 10x str \$5000 + 1x str/box \$2600 for total \$52,600.

Playing 1-2-3-4 every day and 60 tickets each day conflicts with past amounts, so I would assume he was playing less in the past, \$11 instead of \$61.

Assuming \$11 from 2/26/87 through 1/12/08, 7626 days at \$11 equals \$83,886. And then upping his play amount to \$61 after the 2nd win from 1/13/08 thru 6/6/13, 1972 days at \$61 equals \$120,292.

Total spent: \$204,178
Total won: \$407,800

Not bad.
Congrats Larry!

1st of all I would like to congratulate Larry on his win.

2nd I don't like stories like this because it brings the illusion of winning big. I've read other posts and people are commenting on him spending 61 dollars on the number everyday. If you read the article carefully you will see he also said he spent atleast \$60 a day. He didn't say he spent 60 a day on just that number. If you look back to the other wins he spent \$11 on those wins, which meant he could have spent the other \$49 on other numbers or lottery products. For all those calculating he has spent a minimum of \$569,400 and with that number he has won a total of \$275,265 on straight hits after taxes and approximately \$2500 on box hits. \$61 being used as a good investment is correct if someone doesn't play much and plays it or someone who hits a lot and decides to put more on a number they have a feeling about but not for someone who plays a minimum of \$60 a day and doesn't win.

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Congratulations to him! With one drawing per day it was better for him to spend the \$60 on just the evening rather than Midday and Evening!

It's always best to follow your instincts and play only with money you can afford to lose , i'm sure thats what he did here or else he would not have been spending \$60 per draw on the same number! Well deserved win for this man.

I'd spend \$20 on one number max and thats about it but no more.A few times a week i'll play "8111" .50 cents box 40 times seperate tickets, looking for a \$24,000 tax free win. This number still didnt hit box in over 23 years here in NY since December 14th,  1989 so i'm hoping i'll be lucky and catch it when it finally comes back after taking a 23 year  break. Hopefully I end up with the same  as this man.

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That's great work right there.

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congrats!!!!!

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wow congrats to him .. awesome bet .

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