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COMPUTERIZED DRAWING GLITCH STRIKES ARIZONA LOTTERY

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Posted: August 22, 2013, 12:09 am - IP Logged

A person who can make programs and or Excel workouts, could make one that would alert him when one or more lottery patterns are long overdue, just as Paurths has done.

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    Posted: August 22, 2013, 12:15 am - IP Logged

    A person who can make programs and or Excel workouts, could make one that would alert him when one or more lottery patterns are long overdue, just as Paurths has done.

    If that's true why aren't more players who claim they really want to win learning how to program or use Excel?

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Oh crud!!  My rating click was wrong!!  I meant to hit 5, not 3!!  Mr. Admin, can you fix?    Blush

      Nope, no way to change a rating. It was meant to be. Eek


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        A person who can make programs and or Excel workouts, could make one that would alert him when one or more lottery patterns are long overdue, just as Paurths has done.

        You're missing the point. Patterns and trends are misconstrued because of the tampering, therefore, an accurate assumption is erroneous, thanks to the pretests and post-tests.

        Good example using the Panther system. A Certain pair is due based on repeat pairs, but they won't show, why? because the pair that was due has shown in the pretest or post test. Now I'll be chasing that pair for no good reason. I'll end up frustrated because that pair already showed up in a pretest or post test. Maybe, maybe not, who knows? No one will know unless the results are made public.

        I can go on and on but most will never  get it. They just like to write bandwagon remarks, while i make real time examples of how these practices are damaging.

        I try so hard to show how system players are being dealt a wrong hand by these practices, yet people i thought would really understand like ronnie and othe system players would understand my viewpoint. Systsems are worthless without real DATA.

        How else can i write the importance of this? Why do so many fail to realize the importance of this? Am I alone on this?

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          Panther System huh- l have a solution for that.!!!

           

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            Nope, no way to change a rating. It was meant to be. Eek

            Guess I should have pre tested it before I clicked!  Wink


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              Panther System huh- l have a solution for that.!!!

               

              Good point. We all meet the impending doom. No one will survive life.

              BANG !


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                Guess I should have pre tested it before I clicked!  Wink

                At least 12 times


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                  Unless you're rich, life sucks. PERIOD !

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                    Unless you're rich, life sucks. PERIOD !

                    Good nite get some rest See Ya!

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                      Posted: August 22, 2013, 11:32 am - IP Logged

                      This is why computer­ized drawings are bad

                      Undiscovered problem existed for 2 months — some tickets had no chance of winning

                      The lottery had no idea until players started complaining

                      By Todd Northrop

                      Due to an error in the computerized drawing system for the Arizona Lottery Pick 3 game between June 10 and Aug. 3, replacement tickets are being offered to eligible people who purchased tickets during that time frame, according to a press release.

                      Pick 3 is an Arizona Lottery draw game in which players pick three numbers and can win a prize up to $500. Tickets cost $1 each and drawings are held every day, Monday through Saturday.

                      On Aug. 5, the Arizona Lottery discovered there was an issue in the Pick 3 programming code that prevented the numbers eight and nine from being drawn in certain positions between June 10 and Aug. 3. This error resulted in 92.3 percent of tickets purchased having a better chance to win, and caused 7.7 percent to have no chance of winning.

                      From a trust perspective, perhaps the most frightening part is that because the lottery cannot actually see the drawings taking place — like they can with traditional ball machines — nobody at the lottery had a clue that there was a problem for nearly two months.  It was only when lottery players started complaining that the lottery had an inkling that a problem existed.

                      "Can you imagine our concern when a Pick 3 player just casually mentioned to us they weren't seeing as many nines lately on the game, I mean that's a red flag," said Jeff Hatch-Miller with the Arizona Lottery.

                      Computerized drawings occur inside a computer, which is supposed to generate random numbers.  But because a computer program cannot be "watched" like a traditional lottery ball drawing, the computer operator simply trusts that the computer is functioning perfectly, and that the drawing numbers that suddenly appeared on the computer screen were generated randomly.

                      With a traditional ball machine, it is simple for any layman to see when a problem occurs, because they can watch the drawing and see that in fact the right number of balls are in the drum.

                      A problem with ball drawings happens rarely — once in a long while.  But it does not happen undiscovered for months at a time.

                      In the case of this latest computerized drawing problem, the Arizona Lottery is offering replacement tickets for any Pick 3 ticket purchased during that time period using the number eight and nine on all of the Pick 3 play types listed in the chart below.  (Click the chart to open in full-size.)

                      As soon as the error was suspected, the Arizona Lottery immediately assembled an investigative team to research the issue.

                      "Once the error was identified, it was immediately corrected," said Jeff Hatch-Miller, Director of the Arizona Lottery. "The Arizona Lottery assures our players that the issue has been remedied, and the Pick 3 drawings will continue to move forward with the utmost integrity."

                      Beginning Monday, Aug. 19, 2013, the Arizona Lottery will be offering eligible players three options to receive replacement tickets equal to the sales price of the affected tickets purchased. If numbers were selected by the player, the replacement tickets will reflect the same numbers. If the tickets were a Quick Pick, then the newly issued tickets will be Quick Pick, but replacements will have different numbers than the originals.

                      Unfortunately, the lottery will only provide replacement tickets for those players who kept the original tickets purchase.  For many people who commonly discard losing lottery tickets, there is no remedy for the tickets they purchased with no chance of winning.

                      Option 1: In Person

                      Players must bring their affected tickets to the Arizona Lottery offices in Phoenix or Tucson prior to Sept. 30. Replacement tickets equal to the sales price of the affected tickets purchased will be issued. Tickets must be relinquished upon replacement.

                      Phoenix Office:
                      4740 E. University Drive
                      Phoenix AZ 85034
                      480-921-4400

                      Tucson Office:
                      4010 E. Grant Road
                      Tucson, AZ 85712
                      520-628-5107

                      Option 2: In-State Mail

                      Players must mail affected tickets to the Arizona Lottery (Phoenix office only) to receive replacement tickets equal to the sales price of the affected tickets purchased. Tickets will be printed and mailed via U.S. Postal Service prior to the draw, but received after the draw. Check the winning numbers for the draw date printed on the tickets.

                      Mail to:
                      Attn: Ticket Replacement, Arizona Lottery
                      P.O. Box 2913
                      Phoenix, AZ 85062-2913

                      Option 3: Out-of-State Mail

                      Out-of-state players must mail affected tickets to receive a letter offering replacement tickets. The original letter with the embossed Lottery seal must be presented in person to the Arizona Lottery offices by close of business on December 31, 2013.

                      Mail to:
                      Attn: Ticket Replacement, Arizona Lottery
                      P.O. Box 2913
                      Phoenix, AZ 85062-2913

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                      Exactly Todd.  That is definitely why I dont do computerized drawings. Some people on this forum just dont get it. The lottery is a billion plus yearly industry for a majority of the states and having players confidence in it is of upmost importance if they wanna keep those billions flowing in. And if it means paying a little extra to have a live drawing or investing in extra machines should they break down so be it. The return on this investment is beyond the roof.

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                        Posted: August 22, 2013, 12:00 pm - IP Logged

                        l got to wondering: What if the playing public did not alert the lottery Officials to this glitch- would they* officials- have just gone about doing what they always do, thinking nothing is wrong?

                        Since when is the playing public supposed to " alert" officials about a game they supposed to be managing with integrity? Are they not the ones who should have caught this " before" it hit the fan?

                        I think Cali has the record incident: 6 months uncorrected no-repeat digits.(that players discovered)

                        http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may/13/local/me-derby13

                        These lottery draw people are just state employees following instructions from vendor supplied draw equipment. They are not mathematical analysts and are obviously not checking current results or past draws for statistical anomalies.

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                          alert possible max-headrum glitch spotted in new york.....1xx63draws xx6 45 draws   xx7 54 draws........... can glitches travel just like numbers......... if this happens more frequently and players stop playing as much.. there will be changes... heads will roll... ny glitch alert////////

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                            I would hope that the entities that run the lotteries do not intentionally rig things, considering that there are just too many people watching for such things ... too easy to get caught.  The entire problem with the computerized drawings, unlike the ping-pong-ball drawings, just like the article states, nobody can see what is really happening, until it continues to happen for a length of time.

                            One problem I have with Arizona's fix, is that not only is it screwing those who may have already thrown their old tickets away (that could have been winners), but it screws many others too in the way they they are replacing the tickets.  The original plays may have been based on some sort of "system" that may have been valid during the original drawings (that could have been winners), in which that "system" of plays may be obsolete for the replacement period.

                            I don't know how Arizona can make things right with those that have already thrown their tickets away, but I think that if they are going to issue replacement tickets, then they should do it such that the players get a credit, so they can choose numbers as they see fit ... for the current drawings.

                            Sure, there are times that people win because of accidents and mistakes, but you can never make up or re-do what might have happend had there not been a problem in the first place.

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                              Here is a picture that shows that Position 2 Digit 9, and Position 3 Digit 8 and 9 were way over due in that time period.

                              Arizona Pick 3

                              Jimmy

                                 
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