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You're missing the point. Patterns and trends are misconstrued because of the tampering, therefore, an accurate assumption is erroneous, thanks to the pretests and post-tests.

Good example using the Panther system. A Certain pair is due based on repeat pairs, but they won't show, why? because the pair that was due has shown in the pretest or post test. Now I'll be chasing that pair for no good reason. I'll end up frustrated because that pair already showed up in a pretest or post test. Maybe, maybe not, who knows? No one will know unless the results are made public.

I can go on and on but most will never  get it. They just like to write bandwagon remarks, while i make real time examples of how these practices are damaging.

I try so hard to show how system players are being dealt a wrong hand by these practices, yet people i thought would really understand like ronnie and othe system players would understand my viewpoint. Systsems are worthless without real DATA.

How else can i write the importance of this? Why do so many fail to realize the importance of this? Am I alone on this?

What you are saying is just a theory with no more proof of being true than the theories of those who say checking for pattern trends is a waste of time.  In spite of all the tampering players who checked pattern trends discovered the computer wasn't including the numbers eight and nine in all positions and some may have even taken advantage of it.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: August 22, 2013, 2:41 pm - IP Logged

    Here are some other games with digits missing:

    Arkansas Cash 3 Midday,    Position 1, Digit 7 64 games out
    Arkansas Cash 3 Evening,   Position 3, Digit 6 62 games out
    Florida Cash 3 Evening,    Position 2, Digit 7 62 games out
    Kentucky Pick 3 Midday,    Position 1, Digit 8 60 games out
    Nebraska Pick 3 Evening,   Position 1, Digit 3 77 games out
    Ohio Pick 3 Midday,        Position 1, Digit 7 58 games out

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      What you are saying is just a theory with no more proof of being true than the theories of those who say checking for pattern trends is a waste of time.  In spite of all the tampering players who checked pattern trends discovered the computer wasn't including the numbers eight and nine in all positions and some may have even taken advantage of it.

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      Hey it works if you work it

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        Star

        Hey it works if you work it

        I Agree! Cheers

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          What you are saying is just a theory with no more proof of being true than the theories of those who say checking for pattern trends is a waste of time.  In spite of all the tampering players who checked pattern trends discovered the computer wasn't including the numbers eight and nine in all positions and some may have even taken advantage of it.

          No it's no a theory. I see it as a fact. Just because you can't see it doesn't make it a theory. The idiotic excuses raises many red flags and justifies it as BS. Again, please point out the specifics I pointed out and dispute them one by one instead of generalizing. I refuse to re-write everything I've written so far. people have a bad habit of NOT addressing specific issues I've made, and i have no time to babysit them.

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            You're missing the point. Patterns and trends are misconstrued because of the tampering, therefore, an accurate assumption is erroneous, thanks to the pretests and post-tests.

            Good example using the Panther system. A Certain pair is due based on repeat pairs, but they won't show, why? because the pair that was due has shown in the pretest or post test. Now I'll be chasing that pair for no good reason. I'll end up frustrated because that pair already showed up in a pretest or post test. Maybe, maybe not, who knows? No one will know unless the results are made public.

            I can go on and on but most will never  get it. They just like to write bandwagon remarks, while i make real time examples of how these practices are damaging.

            I try so hard to show how system players are being dealt a wrong hand by these practices, yet people i thought would really understand like ronnie and othe system players would understand my viewpoint. Systsems are worthless without real DATA.

            How else can i write the importance of this? Why do so many fail to realize the importance of this? Am I alone on this?

            Why don't you fully read that blog entry? It is about North Carolina a state that has pre-draws, post draws and whatever else.

            http://www.lotterypost.com/blogentry/82133

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              Posted: August 22, 2013, 11:57 pm - IP Logged

              If that's true why aren't more players who claim they really want to win learning how to program or use Excel?

              Maybe we are lazy and or we don't want to win that bad after all.

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                Posted: August 23, 2013, 8:30 am - IP Logged

                Kentucky lottery pick 4 hasn't had a 5 in 3 slot in over 60 drawings. When I seen this I called Ky lottery asked if could be same problem they said it may never be drawn again. ??

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                  Kentucky lottery pick 4 hasn't had a 5 in 3 slot in over 60 drawings. When I seen this I called Ky lottery asked if could be same problem they said it may never be drawn again. ??

                  8958 was drawn on July 17 so I'm assuming you're including both drawings. Without analyzing the game history it's difficult to say whether this is an anomaly or an occurrence that's likely to happen over long drawing periods.  A couple years ago the pick-3 straight combination 023 went almost 12,000 drawings both day and evening without being drawn. Since Kentucky is a live ball drawing, I doubt it's because the ball marked "5" is not in the machine. They were probably kidding when they said it may never be drawn, but I wouldn't count on it being drawn today because it missed 60 drawings.

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                    No it's no a theory. I see it as a fact. Just because you can't see it doesn't make it a theory. The idiotic excuses raises many red flags and justifies it as BS. Again, please point out the specifics I pointed out and dispute them one by one instead of generalizing. I refuse to re-write everything I've written so far. people have a bad habit of NOT addressing specific issues I've made, and i have no time to babysit them.

                    I understand your point about patterns developing and watching the numbers in your pattern being drawn during the tests, but you may find had you included past test results in your analysis, the same pattern developed in the test results and more likely to hit there because more numbers are drawn. If the test are being conducted to insure the drawings are as random as possible, it's difficult making a case that because of the tests, the real drawing isn't predictable.

                    Farmgirl mentioned the digit 5 was a no-show for 60 drawings and it's possible that digit is average or frequent during the tests. If there is a real effect, the reverse should be true; digits and pairs that are no-shows in the tests should be in the real drawing.

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                      I am new to site, but if you check out Ky lottery payout,since this number 5 is missing in 3 slot it is low or I would think.   Except for when 2134 for which I had thank goodness.   Maybe it's just bad luck of draw

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                        I am new to site, but if you check out Ky lottery payout,since this number 5 is missing in 3 slot it is low or I would think.   Except for when 2134 for which I had thank goodness.   Maybe it's just bad luck of draw

                        Does Kentucky publish their pre-draw tests?

                        I play multiple state lotteries when I travel, and I will say one good thing about Texas, at least they have the pre-test draws available for public consumption.  At least that way, you can see if numbers are showing up in certain positions.  States that don't publish these results, IMHO, are stacking the odds even MORE in their favor.

                        The way I see it, the state agencies and the politicians want to keep promising more and more services to secure their jobs, but are spineless and scared to death to raises taxes ... so what  do they do?  They screw over lottery players because it's easy money to them.  They can always blame the odds or just say, "what do you expect?  It's gambling!" 

                        Until "we the people" take a stand to not tolerate this nonsense, they will continue to get away with it. 

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                          For the Arizona Lottery to say that using a computer to draw the numbers is laughable beyond approach. I don't see how ball machines are more expensive to operate then a computer. If I lived in Arizona, I would be very wary of playing. When people lose trust in the integrity of the game, the game eventually dies. It took the freaking players to figure out that something was out of whack not the people who's job it is to make sure that the game runs smoothly.

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                            Does Kentucky publish their pre-draw tests?

                            I play multiple state lotteries when I travel, and I will say one good thing about Texas, at least they have the pre-test draws available for public consumption.  At least that way, you can see if numbers are showing up in certain positions.  States that don't publish these results, IMHO, are stacking the odds even MORE in their favor.

                            The way I see it, the state agencies and the politicians want to keep promising more and more services to secure their jobs, but are spineless and scared to death to raises taxes ... so what  do they do?  They screw over lottery players because it's easy money to them.  They can always blame the odds or just say, "what do you expect?  It's gambling!" 

                            Until "we the people" take a stand to not tolerate this nonsense, they will continue to get away with it. 

                            "We the people" take a stand to tolerate this nonsense every time we buy a ticket.

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                              Does Kentucky publish their pre-draw tests?

                              I play multiple state lotteries when I travel, and I will say one good thing about Texas, at least they have the pre-test draws available for public consumption.  At least that way, you can see if numbers are showing up in certain positions.  States that don't publish these results, IMHO, are stacking the odds even MORE in their favor.

                              The way I see it, the state agencies and the politicians want to keep promising more and more services to secure their jobs, but are spineless and scared to death to raises taxes ... so what  do they do?  They screw over lottery players because it's easy money to them.  They can always blame the odds or just say, "what do you expect?  It's gambling!" 

                              Until "we the people" take a stand to not tolerate this nonsense, they will continue to get away with it. 

                              Some states might just turn on the machines before the live drawings to make sure all the mechanical parts are working properly. Lots of drawings show all ten balls dropping into the machine before the forced air is turned on. Which balls ended up in the top of the tube during the mechanical test are irrelevant to the test and not recorded. It might not even be the same set of balls used for the real drawing.

                              It looks like Texas is testing more for bias than a mechanical malfunction and are recording the "pre-test" results. Your guess is as good as mine as to what is considered bias in random, but the Texas Lottery created a criteria. They probably publish the test results for transparency, but that knowledge is useless to players because it's published after the real drawing.

                              To my knowledge KY doesn't record and/or publish their test results so nobody can say the test drawings are the reason the digit "5" wasn't drawn in the third digit position in the last 60 drawings, but it could be the reason other than a bias.

                              If the last four drawing results are used as a filter, you do have a legitimate complaint because Texas has four drawings before the drawing you're betting on and waits until after that drawing to publish the results. The states that are just insuring the mechanical parts are working correctly only need one drawing or maybe another drawing if the forced air flow needed an adjustment.

                                 
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