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COMPUTERIZED DRAWING GLITCH STRIKES ARIZONA LOTTERY

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Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:06 am - IP Logged

Who ever got into the system knew what they were doing. It sounds like the systems were never updated with the back door on it.

Tonight is way off. Its not even 9pm in AZ and the draw is out? Come on.

AZ recently switched this month to all draw games at 7pm, AZ time. It's on the website.

Also, AZ had a similar issue a few years ago! The #9 wasn't even in the system to be drawn, for months.

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    Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:16 am - IP Logged

    People are mistaken when they think that "Random" means that anything can happen.

    Maybe that is why they don't notice some problems.

    Even with so called "random" there are some limits.

    Perhaps even the so called "Math Experts" don't understand random statistics any better than "Joe Blow", it is for sure that the state lottery people are not  "Lottery Experts", remember the "No Doubles" pick 3 thing on Tennessee?

    People are mistaken when they think that "Random" means that anything can happen.

     

    Let me expand the statement!

    As I have said many times, if anyone believes anything man made or involved with, can be random!!!!

     

     

                                                    wrong!!                                                                           

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      Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:25 am - IP Logged

      The players that do not save their tickets will be irked they have no compensation for the lying, cheats mistakes.
      AZ might want to set a few things 'right' with the players who are crying foul and fraud. Would it be in AZ's best
      interest to 'make it up' to them? The computer drawing is a controlled drawing, by no means random. If they
      are looking to bring back the integrity *cough* of the game (or show the folks the games are back to normal)
      can't they do a few programming changes to make the 8 and 9 show up more often to satisfy some players
      suspicions that everything isn't A-Okay with AZ Lottery? They can do it in a subtle way but if players see
      their favorite numbers being drawn with 8's and 9's and are winning, do you think they'll suspect tampering or
      just think, it's about time they 'fixed' it?
      It should be interesting to watch and compare future results with the results shortly after the last glitch/difficulty/
      sham/scam/rip-off occurred.
      Lurking

      ARIZONA your best numbers to choose for awhile might be 8's and 9's in 2nd and 3rd position. Blue Thinking
      (maybe even triple 8's and 9's...you do, btw, have triple triggers on the 13th and 20th Thumbs Up)

      246 ~~ 485 ~~ 369 ~~ 890 ~~ 705 ~~ 357 ~~ 129 ~~ 165 ~  007 ~ 225 ~ 818 ~ 440 ~  7775 5557

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        Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:33 am - IP Logged

        This sounds like a repeat incident from 15 years ago in AZ:

        http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/1998/06/12/32669-no-9-error-cuts-76-000-from-prize-in-pick-3/

        Problem is, the state lottery people do not have expertise. They are provided equipment by various vendors and contractors, given instructions on how to operate it. But they are not experts. They are not analyzing the results like many players are for statistical anomalies. Ball drawings are not immune either, but more straighforward than a computer draw with hidden code and settings.

        There will continue to be issues like this, as long as there is no expertise in house. (like so many similar incidents in CA, KS, TN, and AZ) This also means someone at the vendor could purposely slip some "flaw" in there without them knowing too.

        Thanks for posting that link! 

        I don't normally do this, but I'm going to paste the article text here, because it is so old and I don't want it getting lost.

         

        No. 9 error cuts 76,000 from prize in Pick 3

        by Tucson Citizen, Jun. 12, 1998

        If your lucky number is 9, you actually had zero chance of winning the Arizona Lottery's new "Pick 3" top prize over the past month.

        Lottery officials yesterday revealed a programming error that omitted the number 9 from any combination of winning numbers.

        Although the error was corrected Wednesday – and number 9 did come up as a winning number that night – the game was suspended this morning by Gov. Jane Hull.

        "There can be no excuses," Hull said. "Mistakes like this are unacceptable. We are going to take some time and sort through this situation. I have many questions and few answers. Until I get those answers, the game will not go forward."

        The error was in the randomization program supplied by Elsym Consulting of Atlanta. The company apologized for the error.

        "This software should have never left our office in the condition provided," said company president Len Simonis . "We realize the seriousness of this error and the great burden it has placed on the Arizona Lottery to convince its players that its game is beyond reproach."

        About 76,000 Pick 3 tickets with the number 9 were sold in the last month.

        Sales were already under way yesterday, so the drawing had to be held, said Lottery director Geoffrey Gonsher .

        Refunds will be given to players holding Pick 3 tickets with the number 9, although no details were immediately available.

        Pick 3 was introduced May 3. The top prize for the game is $500.

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          Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:33 am - IP Logged

          Here's a comparison I find very interesting:

           

          1998:

          "We realize the seriousness of this error and the great burden it has placed on the Arizona Lottery to convince its players that its game is beyond reproach."

          2013:

          "The Arizona Lottery assures our players that the issue has been remedied, and the Pick 3 drawings will continue to move forward with the utmost integrity."

           

          Check the State Lottery Report Card
          What grade did your lottery earn?

           

          Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
          Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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            Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:51 am - IP Logged

            Why not just boycot the Pick 3 game (and other games that use random genererated numbers) until Arizona switches to ball drop machines.Problem solved!


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              Posted: August 21, 2013, 7:56 am - IP Logged

              I say look for flaws and go in for da kill...... eliminate 1 digit and you eliminate a lot of straight numbers.......

              Thanks arizona. Now im looking to see if any other states using same software has same issues..... I cant believe no one from LP caught that mistake. Maybe someone did and didnt wanna share...

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                Posted: August 21, 2013, 8:04 am - IP Logged

                This sounds like a repeat incident from 15 years ago in AZ:

                http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/1998/06/12/32669-no-9-error-cuts-76-000-from-prize-in-pick-3/

                Problem is, the state lottery people do not have expertise. They are provided equipment by various vendors and contractors, given instructions on how to operate it. But they are not experts. They are not analyzing the results like many players are for statistical anomalies. Ball drawings are not immune either, but more straighforward than a computer draw with hidden code and settings.

                There will continue to be issues like this, as long as there is no expertise in house. (like so many similar incidents in CA, KS, TN, and AZ) This also means someone at the vendor could purposely slip some "flaw" in there without them knowing too.

                They are provided equipment by various vendors and contractors, given instructions on how to operate it. But they are not experts. They are not analyzing the results like many players are for statistical anomalies. Ball drawings are not immune either, but more straighforward than a computer draw with hidden code and settings.

                 

                I don't trust no human, when money is involved, period. Do the contractors in the states that have ball drops, maintain the equipment? Does the state have inspectors, watching these people? I don't have any idea. I have a 90 year old friend, from N.Y,who played the numbers there. Since 2005, that is when Fla changed contractors, they are rigged.

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                  Posted: August 21, 2013, 8:37 am - IP Logged

                  Rebecca ceo of the TN Lottery you need to read this.  Scared

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                    Posted: August 21, 2013, 8:52 am - IP Logged

                    Here's a comparison I find very interesting:

                     

                    1998:

                    "We realize the seriousness of this error and the great burden it has placed on the Arizona Lottery to convince its players that its game is beyond reproach."

                    2013:

                    "The Arizona Lottery assures our players that the issue has been remedied, and the Pick 3 drawings will continue to move forward with the utmost integrity."

                    Unless players quit they won't change. It's easier to sit on a couch with a remote to control the machines, then standing up.

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                      Posted: August 21, 2013, 9:05 am - IP Logged

                      Here's a comparison I find very interesting:

                       

                      1998:

                      "We realize the seriousness of this error and the great burden it has placed on the Arizona Lottery to convince its players that its game is beyond reproach."

                      2013:

                      "The Arizona Lottery assures our players that the issue has been remedied, and the Pick 3 drawings will continue to move forward with the utmost integrity."

                      Yeah, other differences:

                      1998:

                      Gov. Jane Hull stepped in, refunds offered to players holding Pick 3 tickets with the number 9.

                      2013:

                      Gov. Jan Brewer? Replacement tickets offered, but only of the same number or QP, no refund, not even credit for a different game?


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                        Posted: August 21, 2013, 9:28 am - IP Logged

                        I hope they don't mess up my PA Mid day computer drawing...my bread and butter.

                        Sweet as honey.

                        Perhaps you are winning because of a computer "glitch"


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                          Posted: August 21, 2013, 9:42 am - IP Logged

                          7 #'s ....better then 9.....


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                            Should I be reluctant to buy my tickets for AZ  Arizona Fantasy 5?

                            What?


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                              5/41Drawing Days:Every Day Except SundayDrawing Time:7:00 PM Arizona Time (GMT-7:00)Draw Method:Computer Random Number GeneratorCurrent Jackpot:$494,000 for the drawing on Wednesday, August 21, 2013

                                 
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