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COMPUTERIZED DRAWING GLITCH STRIKES ARIZONA LOTTERY

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Posted: August 21, 2013, 12:23 pm - IP Logged

Sometimes you'll have that Yes Nod

 i wish Indiana would make some mistakes maybe then my numbers will hit LOL

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    "On Aug. 5, the Arizona Lottery discovered there was an issue in the Pick 3 programming code that prevented the numbers eight and nine from being drawn in certain positions between June 10 and Aug. 3."

    The drawing would be random if they used a deck of cards and used ace through ten from three suits. Hearts are the first digit, Diamond the second, and Spades the third, shuffle the three piles individually and draw one card from each. It's the same simple principle other lotteries use with ball drawings.

    The RNG program Arizona is using can't be random if it can't generate a random three digit number from 1000 combos 000 to 999. If the RNG is programmed to randomly select and a three digit combo from 000 to 999, there can't be a glitch. If it's programmed to select one digit from 0 to 9 in three digit positions, there can't be a glitch either. I can program a spread sheet to add, subtract, multiply, or divide the numbers in columns A and B and place the results in column C and there will never be a glitch unless I change the programming.

    The Tennessee Lottery said their glitch was the "no repeat" function in their program that was put there because the same RNG program is used for their TN Cash game. If someone has to check and/or uncheck that function, human error can be a glitch.

    "If the tickets were a Quick Pick, then the newly issued tickets will be Quick Pick, but replacements will have different numbers than the originals."

    The TN glitch was indentifiable by the players because no repeat digits were drawn in both pick-3 and pick-4 games and apparently Arizona players noticed no nines were drawn in the second digit position and no nines or eights were drawn in the third. I have no idea how there could be any glitches if the RNG were programmed correctly so it's obvious they weren't. My real point is the RNG that selects QPs where it's impossible for any player to see all the QP distribution. If RNG drawing errors can be made and go undetected for weeks, what about RNG QPs errors that may never be detected?

    How could anyone know because of an undetected QP RNG error it was impossible for any terminal to generate a QP with the numbers that were drawn?

    The Arizona Lottery should give the players holding QPs with nines and/or eight the option to get the amount they bet because that bet was placed on a specific drawing and not any drawing the lottery chooses. It's even worse for the self pick players because they chose a specific number to play in a specific drawing.

    If there can be QP RNG errors, it's "buyer beware", but some state lotteries are making billions in profits and won't use a simple inexpensive drawing method that is transparent. If the number you played or the number selected for you can't be drawn, you were cheated and Arizonia won't even give back the money you spent to get cheated.

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      Posted: August 21, 2013, 2:10 pm - IP Logged

      Sometimes you'll have that Yes Nod

       i wish Indiana would make some mistakes maybe then my numbers will hit LOL

      You should be thanking your lucky stars than Indiana is moving to real drawings for midday.  The first time I have ever seen a lottery do this -- hopefully the start of a trend. 

      Support the Indiana Lottery -- especially the drawings that it does with traditional ball machines!

       

      Check the State Lottery Report Card
      What grade did your lottery earn?

       

      Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
      Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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        Posted: August 21, 2013, 2:17 pm - IP Logged

        I've written a few times on LP before that I don't like computers either. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't do pre tests with balls or computers, that's all.

        Legions of people like me? Like If I protest, they'll listen to me?

        Ok, lol

        You might have a genuine complaint and relevant to this discussion if after the pre-drawing test they removed the nine from the second digit position machine and removed eight and nine from the third digit position machine.

        Are you saying a pre-drawing test can prevent a digit in the second digit position and two digits in the third digit position from being drawn when the digits are still in the machine because of the pre-drawing test?

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          Posted: August 21, 2013, 2:32 pm - IP Logged

          You should be thanking your lucky stars than Indiana is moving to real drawings for midday.  The first time I have ever seen a lottery do this -- hopefully the start of a trend. 

          Support the Indiana Lottery -- especially the drawings that it does with traditional ball machines!

          Expense is always the excuse for going to RNG drawings from live ball drawings and possibly some what justified because not that many players watch the live ball drawings. The Kentucky Lottery found a compromise by inexpensively streaming their live ball drawings via Internet. They even archive the drawings so when they had their glitch last month anyone can view it.

          When lotteries do use expense as an excuse like Arizona probably did, they usually refuse to pay for their mistakes. When Kentucky had their live ball drawing glitch, they drew a second pick-4 number and paid off the same amount on both numbers. Arizona won't even return the price of useless tickets they sold for several drawings.

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            Posted: August 21, 2013, 3:46 pm - IP Logged

            hey lottery post are you going to pay for the air time  i dont think so ya digg Sleep

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              Posted: August 21, 2013, 4:10 pm - IP Logged

              You gotta wonder how many times this happens that they don't admit to.

              Idaho went something like 25 days without a double in their pick 3 not too long ago.  Two drawings a day.  Never heard a peep from them about it.  Up until then, I used to play Pick 3 occasionally but haven't spent even a dollar since then.

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                Posted: August 21, 2013, 4:18 pm - IP Logged

                hey lottery post are you going to pay for the air time  i dont think so ya digg Sleep

                New Jerk Alert.

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                  Posted: August 21, 2013, 4:43 pm - IP Logged

                  New Jerk Alert.

                  Yep!I Agree!

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                    Posted: August 21, 2013, 4:50 pm - IP Logged

                    The 9 in positions 2 and 3

                    It recently had a skip of 61 and 57 Position 2 came in 8/9 after skipping 61 draws and in position 3 it was drawn on 8/8 after skipping 57 draws.

                    The 8 in position 1

                    The 8 in position 2 was only drawn 2 times.

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                      Posted: August 21, 2013, 5:27 pm - IP Logged

                      I've written a few times on LP before that I don't like computers either. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't do pre tests with balls or computers, that's all.

                      Legions of people like me? Like If I protest, they'll listen to me?

                      Ok, lol

                      "Legions of people like me? Like If I protest, they'll listen to me?"

                      I know one thing...

                      If legions of people like you go along with the program like a herd of sheep and never object to the corruption, it'll only serve to perpetuate the intransigence on the part of the political hacks running the lotteries.

                      If they think a large enough percentage of us are willing to put up with it and merely complain about peripheral concerns like pre-draws and such, they'll never change anything. We'll have fake computer draws forever. 

                      Look at Indiana going back to real ball drops for one of their games. They're responding to the demands of the players.

                      But if we don't demand, they don't respond.

                      Right now, Arizona is telling it's players to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Yeah, they got caught again but once again they say they fixed it and everybody should just keep moving, nothing more to see here cuz once again the lottery is back in operation with the "utmost integrity."

                      Yep, sure it is, just like last time.

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                        Posted: August 21, 2013, 5:30 pm - IP Logged

                        Don't think we have any computer drawings in the UK, only the EuroMillions raffle is.

                        2016 Won/Lost

                        EuroMillions / Spent: £22 / Won £0 / Total -£22

                        UK Lotto / Spent: £4 / Won: £0 / Total: -£4

                        2016 Total: -£24

                        Jan: -£22 Feb: £0 ~ Mar: £0 ~ April: £0 ~ May: £0 ~ June: £0 ~ July: £2

                         

                        EuroMillions = £2 Line / Played: x11 [old price] 

                        EuroMillions = £2.50 Line / Played: x0

                        UK Lotto = £2 Line / Played x2

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                          Posted: August 21, 2013, 5:39 pm - IP Logged

                          You gotta wonder how many times this happens that they don't admit to.

                          Idaho went something like 25 days without a double in their pick 3 not too long ago.  Two drawings a day.  Never heard a peep from them about it.  Up until then, I used to play Pick 3 occasionally but haven't spent even a dollar since then.

                          I've read of numbers not showing up for long periods and being explained as normal for random events.  I'm starting to wonder if random have any parameters in which it must preform or does anything goes.  The fact that something doesn't happens isn't proof it couldn't happens.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: August 21, 2013, 6:20 pm - IP Logged

                            New Jerk Alert.

                            Cheers

                            The #oldheads seem not to like computers much lol

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                              Cheers

                              The #oldheads seem not to like computers much lol

                              Dummy alert! Or is this an old dummy?????

                                 
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