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7 state lotteries join forces for multi-state raffle

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Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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Posted: August 30, 2013, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

So how will the draws be conducted? One thing I don't like of the raffles I've seen, is the winners are all picked "behind the curtain" by computer and just kind of show up, you never know the methodology.

I read somewhere else that this will be computer draw also:

"A computer will pull the winning ticket numbers, Frizzi-Babb said."

So will this affect the state's scorecard? Wink

Or, they could do a two stage hybrid draw, pulling the finalists by computer, and then a live raffle manual envelope draw like Irish Natl Lottery below:

Just hope the dude don't drop your friggin' envelope! Mad


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    Posted: August 30, 2013, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

    Perhaps that information will be in the rules, they are supposed to be published Sat. Aug. 31.

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      Posted: August 30, 2013, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

      So how will the draws be conducted? One thing I don't like of the raffles I've seen, is the winners are all picked "behind the curtain" by computer and just kind of show up, you never know the methodology.

      I read somewhere else that this will be computer draw also:

      "A computer will pull the winning ticket numbers, Frizzi-Babb said."

      So will this affect the state's scorecard? Wink

      Or, they could do a two stage hybrid draw, pulling the finalists by computer, and then a live raffle manual envelope draw like Irish Natl Lottery below:

      Just hope the dude don't drop your friggin' envelope! Mad

      Since raffle tickets are usually sold 000001 thur XXXXXX, it's not hard for a computer to pick a number from 000001 to XXXXXX.  Having a live drawing after that would just be for show.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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        Posted: August 30, 2013, 7:39 pm - IP Logged

        Since raffle tickets are usually sold 000001 thur XXXXXX, it's not hard for a computer to pick a number from 000001 to XXXXXX.  Having a live drawing after that would just be for show.

        The question isn't being "hard" for a computer to pick, it's the integrity and how trustworthy, or how easy it would be to code a specific number to show up in the list.

        Isn't that the point behind the physical ball draws? That everything is seen and out in the open?

        In theory, they can do the raffle draws with the same kind of bouncey ping pong ball machines used for pick3/4, just have one for each digit of raffle number.

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          The question isn't being "hard" for a computer to pick, it's the integrity and how trustworthy, or how easy it would be to code a specific number to show up in the list.

          Isn't that the point behind the physical ball draws? That everything is seen and out in the open?

          In theory, they can do the raffle draws with the same kind of bouncey ping pong ball machines used for pick3/4, just have one for each digit of raffle number.

          "In theory, they can do the raffle draws with the same kind of bouncey ping pong ball machines used for pick3/4, just have one for each digit of raffle number."

          The problem with ping pong balls is they will come up with any possible number within the perimeters whether that number of tickets were sold or not.  They would have to limit the number of tickets to a multiple of 10 and sell every one of them.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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            Posted: August 30, 2013, 8:01 pm - IP Logged

            "In theory, they can do the raffle draws with the same kind of bouncey ping pong ball machines used for pick3/4, just have one for each digit of raffle number."

            The problem with ping pong balls is they will come up with any possible number within the perimeters whether that number of tickets were sold or not.  They would have to limit the number of tickets to a multiple of 10 and sell every one of them.

            It would need some handholding yes, to look out for the very rare duplicate draw. The leftmost digit would be limited (fewer balls) by actual sales, and the rightmost digit would need to be verfied to be within range in the very rare event all the other digits were matching sales, etc. And that methodology may not be fair and equally weighted. How about the computer methodology? Do we get to see the code?

            So that's why the two stage hybrid draw I mentioned previously is probably the better way to go. As the Irish Natl Lottery did.

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              Posted: August 30, 2013, 8:15 pm - IP Logged

              So how far is it to the line to buy tickets...people will travel for this one ridge.....u just take over Tn lottery why dont ya.If I ran it people would play and people would win....just like Georgia and Florida.

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                Posted: August 30, 2013, 8:18 pm - IP Logged

                206 miles to Louisville ky then over to Indiana...cool

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                  Posted: August 30, 2013, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

                  So how will the draws be conducted? One thing I don't like of the raffles I've seen, is the winners are all picked "behind the curtain" by computer and just kind of show up, you never know the methodology.

                  I read somewhere else that this will be computer draw also:

                  "A computer will pull the winning ticket numbers, Frizzi-Babb said."

                  So will this affect the state's scorecard? Wink

                  Or, they could do a two stage hybrid draw, pulling the finalists by computer, and then a live raffle manual envelope draw like Irish Natl Lottery below:

                  Just hope the dude don't drop your friggin' envelope! Mad

                  "So how will the draws be conducted?"

                  That's an interesting question because if the lotteries sell their tickets like RJ suggested, the same ticket number could win in all seven states. Without knowing how many tickets each state lottery will sell, they can't assign 000001 to 500000 for one state and 500001 to 1000000 for the next state especially if one or two states don't sell all their allotted tickets.

                  If there's no $1 million winner drawn from a participating state, there will be a $50,000 runner-up prize awarded to one winner from that state.

                  Based on this statement it looks like they will start with ticket 000001 and the tickets sold in each state will be the next available ticket number. We already have conspiracy theories about the recent number of NJ jackpot winners and if the tickets are sold as I suggested, there is a possibility two or three states might get most of the $1 million winners.

                  From the player's point of view, this raffle does give player the best odds of winning $1 million on a $10 wager.


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                    Posted: August 30, 2013, 9:20 pm - IP Logged

                    "So how will the draws be conducted?"

                    That's an interesting question because if the lotteries sell their tickets like RJ suggested, the same ticket number could win in all seven states. Without knowing how many tickets each state lottery will sell, they can't assign 000001 to 500000 for one state and 500001 to 1000000 for the next state especially if one or two states don't sell all their allotted tickets.

                    If there's no $1 million winner drawn from a participating state, there will be a $50,000 runner-up prize awarded to one winner from that state.

                    Based on this statement it looks like they will start with ticket 000001 and the tickets sold in each state will be the next available ticket number. We already have conspiracy theories about the recent number of NJ jackpot winners and if the tickets are sold as I suggested, there is a possibility two or three states might get most of the $1 million winners.

                    From the player's point of view, this raffle does give player the best odds of winning $1 million on a $10 wager.

                    Right, the first 2 $1 million winners will come from the first $4.6 million in sales. After that each $2 million in sales will produce another $1 million winner. As close to a 50/50 Raffle as it gets.

                      Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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                      Posted: August 30, 2013, 9:31 pm - IP Logged

                      "So how will the draws be conducted?"

                      That's an interesting question because if the lotteries sell their tickets like RJ suggested, the same ticket number could win in all seven states. Without knowing how many tickets each state lottery will sell, they can't assign 000001 to 500000 for one state and 500001 to 1000000 for the next state especially if one or two states don't sell all their allotted tickets.

                      If there's no $1 million winner drawn from a participating state, there will be a $50,000 runner-up prize awarded to one winner from that state.

                      Based on this statement it looks like they will start with ticket 000001 and the tickets sold in each state will be the next available ticket number. We already have conspiracy theories about the recent number of NJ jackpot winners and if the tickets are sold as I suggested, there is a possibility two or three states might get most of the $1 million winners.

                      From the player's point of view, this raffle does give player the best odds of winning $1 million on a $10 wager.

                      That's a good point about the multi-state, an extra wrinkle to deal with. They may duplicate the same sequential numbers in each state. Typically, the numbers are assigned by the state's lottery equipment. I suppose it's possible to link multiple states to make a unique list, but I doubt that will happen, too much problems to implement for next month launch.

                      So they may have to add a left most significant digit to represent each state, for instance, like 01 for NY, 02 for NJ, etc. And then for the draw in their computer algorithm the'd have to weight each state selection differently based on the sales, or else it wouldn't be fair and evenly weighted. Kind of like selecting multipliers for MM and lotto.  That's something they can do in a computer, but difficult or very rough with physical balls. Or convert/match all the entries collected from each state to a sequential list for the draw internally.

                      Still, it could be slightly unfair and not an accurate representation of all states raffle entries. Kinda like our electoral college. We don't know until the methodology is explained. A two stage draw with a final manual draw can help alleviate some concerns of impropriety.

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                        Not one southern state.

                        What a rip.

                        I'd like to know if this was open to all states and only those 7 signed on.

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                          206 miles to Louisville ky then over to Indiana...cool

                          TnTicket you are more than welcome in Oklahoma Sad WaveySee Ya!

                          Lol I meant party pooper to the post above my edit time expired.

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                            Posted: August 30, 2013, 10:16 pm - IP Logged

                            206 miles to Louisville ky then over to Indiana...cool

                            2 1/2 hrs if you drive 70 how many you wantSmash

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                              TnTicket you are more than welcome in Oklahoma Sad WaveySee Ya!

                              Lol I meant party pooper to the post above my edit time expired.

                              I Agree! just a plane ride away sounds FUN!