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Georgia Lottery cracks down on 'shadow winners'

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Posted: September 13, 2014, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

The state rejected his claim for a $1000 scratch off winner citing "highly improbable results" of his past wins, including a day last October when Wise cashed in nine winning tickets at one time.

He's one of 11 winners rejected by the state this year.

I am sure state lotteries that are more efficient than GA in parting lottery believers with their hard earned money are watching this keenly. NY, MA, CA, FL, PA, NJ 

Many people support dodging lottery winnings taxes but disapprove dodging child support, myself included.

That money's gone fo ever

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    "So let ME get this staight<scratching head>"

    In most states, low income child support recipients find it much easier to qualify for cash assistance through welfare when their exes fail to pay what they have been obliged to pay.

    Apparently, you would rather contribute to their support through your taxes rather than have the state dip in to their winnings.

    By the way, what methods would you approve of the state using to collect from dead beat parents?

    Are your payments up to date?

    Unfortunately your prolix comment went off the point being made about the topic at hand.

    To kindly answer your 2 questions

    1.) Legal and without a doubt, not what may or may not be

    2.) Gormless question based on attempts to imply an alledged scenario by an unknown..Not applicable



    Have a good day and best of luck to you in the next lottery drawing Thumbs Up

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      Posted: September 13, 2014, 8:02 pm - IP Logged

      ELUCKYDREAM*,

      A lot of store owners and managers are named Patel. That being the case I don't think they're buying all these tickets, just scarfing up the losers that players throw away and entering them in second chance contests.
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      I guess Georgia really doesn't like any one sending in a beard but this guy had to know that eventually the lottery would get suspicious.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

      Lep

      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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        Posted: September 14, 2014, 5:06 pm - IP Logged

        The state rejected his claim for a $1000 scratch off winner citing "highly improbable results" of his past wins, including a day last October when Wise cashed in nine winning tickets at one time.

        He's one of 11 winners rejected by the state this year.

        I am sure state lotteries that are more efficient than GA in parting lottery believers with their hard earned money are watching this keenly. NY, MA, CA, FL, PA, NJ 

        Many people support dodging lottery winnings taxes but disapprove dodging child support, myself included.

        It's more likely the opinion of the person writing the story than an illegal effort to turn the Georgia Lottery into a collection agency. In Ohio I had to swear/affirm to a Notary I didn't owe any child support even though I was never ordered to pay any. The claims form assumed every winner js a dead-beat dad, even the winners with no children. Why stop at child support when it's possible some of the winners owe back Federal, State, and/or Municipal taxes?

        I agree about dodging paying child support, but there should be a better solution than forcing all lottery winners to prove they are not.

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          Posted: September 14, 2014, 5:47 pm - IP Logged

          ELUCKYDREAM*,

          A lot of store owners and managers are named Patel. That being the case I don't think they're buying all these tickets, just scarfing up the losers that players throw away and entering them in second chance contests.
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          I guess Georgia really doesn't like any one sending in a beard but this guy had to know that eventually the lottery would get suspicious.

          The "ten percentors" are at horse and dog racing tracks too, but they don't get the same scrutiny as the lottery winners. And some of those winners are dead-beat dads. It's been a while since I signed a W-2G for slot machine win at a casino, but that was for taxes only and no questions are asked cashing in over $600 worth of casino chips either. It's my understanding no questions are asked or any tax forms required when cashing in less than $10,000 in chips.

          IMO, policing the current "ten percentor" will only create other ways for players to sell their tickets to avoid, child support, taxes, or any other bills.

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            Posted: September 14, 2014, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

            How about the Georgia lottery paying the darn money in full instead of getting involved in private matters deducting money they shouldn't.  That's a civil issue for the courts and the parties affected to resolve.

            "Understand... people are more complicated than the masks they wear in society... everyone is playing to win, and some people will use moral justifications to advance their side"

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              Posted: September 15, 2014, 1:42 pm - IP Logged

              How about the Georgia lottery paying the darn money in full instead of getting involved in private matters deducting money they shouldn't.  That's a civil issue for the courts and the parties affected to resolve.

              Hurray! Thank you!!

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                Posted: September 15, 2014, 3:43 pm - IP Logged

                How about the Georgia lottery paying the darn money in full instead of getting involved in private matters deducting money they shouldn't.  That's a civil issue for the courts and the parties affected to resolve.

                Money owe to the government and child support are criminal matters not civil.

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                  Posted: September 15, 2014, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

                  If this is the case, they should investigate the Patels; they win on every second chance drawing, sometimes more than once.  Retailers are making a killing. They should not be allowed to buy tickets. I rarely buy scratch offs in the store because if you buy a bunch and don't win; they purchase tickets behind you.  If you're a drunk you can't sell booze (you would drink up all your product)  So if you are a gambler , you shouldn't be allowed to be a retailer.  2 million is kind of low for the amount of tickets they say they sell.  I wander when they will do an investigation on th the pay out amounts.  They should be able to show proof to the public.  I don't believe some of the pay outs they report.

                  This is so true the patels even win cars from the ga lottery

                  One day I will Hit BIG!!

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                    Posted: September 15, 2014, 7:23 pm - IP Logged

                    The "ten percentors" are at horse and dog racing tracks too, but they don't get the same scrutiny as the lottery winners. And some of those winners are dead-beat dads. It's been a while since I signed a W-2G for slot machine win at a casino, but that was for taxes only and no questions are asked cashing in over $600 worth of casino chips either. It's my understanding no questions are asked or any tax forms required when cashing in less than $10,000 in chips.

                    IMO, policing the current "ten percentor" will only create other ways for players to sell their tickets to avoid, child support, taxes, or any other bills.

                    Stack47,

                    Interesting article here on Regulation 6A:

                    Regulation 6A - Nevada State Casinos

                    By Sean Toth
                    [URL]http://wagerweb.com[/URL
                    Contributing Writer

                    Well, it took awhile, but the federal government has "invaded" Las Vegas and has intimidated all the casinos into repealing a regulation -- one that has made Vegas a great place for those who like to gamble relatively large sums of money -- in the name of fighting terrorism. I'm talking about Regulation 6A.

                    Under Regulation 6A, Nevada state casinos were required to track cash transactions of as little as $3,000 or more and report anyone whose cash transactions exceed $10,000 to the U.S. Department of Treasury.

                    With the federal change, however, casinos with $1 million and over in annual gross gaming revenue will be subject to the same federal reporting requirements as casinos with $10 million and over in annual gaming revenue, the reporting threshold under Regulation 6A.

                    With the threshold lowered, that information could be accessed by many more people now than before and may even be accessed by the public. And this opens such information up for all types of potential abuse.

                    And what may be even more troubling is that the Nevada gaming officials didn't put up much of a fight at all, taking less than 10 minutes to eliminate the state's money laundering regulation and acknowledging that the feds had taken over the tracking of large cash transactions from the state.
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                    When this first started it caused a lot of beefs. Players were very suspicious of the casinos 'all of a sudden' wanting personal information from them. One of the big attractions of Vegas for a lot of people was that if you made a score it was nobody's business. Then this.

                    Bang Head

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: September 15, 2014, 10:59 pm - IP Logged

                      In some cases they aren't purchasing tickets but getting out of the trash or off tables.  I was in a store a few months ago and saw a cashier get left over tickets and scratch the bar code to see if they were winners.  Thats why I always take my tickets with me to make sure.  I've picked up tickets in TN(some retailers have lock boxes in stores that they get the tics and put them in a bag so I know they are taking those home) and keyed them in for second chance drawings and they've been a winner not big but something.  I'll never leave my tickets and I advise other because retailers will find them and turn them in.


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                        Unfortunately your prolix comment went off the point being made about the topic at hand.

                        To kindly answer your 2 questions

                        1.) Legal and without a doubt, not what may or may not be

                        2.) Gormless question based on attempts to imply an alledged scenario by an unknown..Not applicable



                        Have a good day and best of luck to you in the next lottery drawing Thumbs Up


                        "Not applicable"?

                        Follow the money.

                        Surprising that you didn't choose GormlessHunter as your member name...

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                          "Not applicable"?

                          Follow the money.

                          Surprising that you didn't choose GormlessHunter as your member name...

                          jimmy6146,

                          "Not Applicable" inasmuch as private business is none of the governments concern.

                          Should we ask the person selling us a cell, a car, a lawnmower, or having a garage sale, if they owe child support and refuse to do business with them for that reason? Does Nazi Germany teach you nothing?

                          You follow the money. If you do half the research or knew half as much as you think you do about this particular law, you would know it is not about the children as you claim, but all about making money for the state.

                          The state collects child support. Its put it in a an account that draws interest. Does one single child see any of this interest? NO!

                          For every dollar collected by the state they receive matching funds from the federal government. Does any child, anywhere in this country see one single federal dollar passed on to him or her? NO!

                          Parents who are in arrears in child support often find themselves in federally funded jails.  For each night they sit in that cell the federal government pays the county $100. Its a six month sentence by federal guidelines which means the county is going to receive $18,000.

                          But if the federal government paid that $100 to the parent with custody, the sentences would be less than half in most cases.

                          How is passing millions of dollars between the federal, state, and county governments helping the children?

                          Yeah, I have raised this issue with district attorneys, state attorney generals, US attorney generals, governors, representatives, and the US Justice Department. Seems to me if government wanted to help these kids they would take all this money they are passing between each other and divvy it up between the kids. Why won't they do that?

                          Because this law is not about helping children. Its about maintaining a cash flow for government. Bill Bradley and Orin Hatch both explained this. Where were you?

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