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Posted: December 28, 2014, 8:02 pm - IP Logged

Well Stack since no one's actual experiences can compare to the extensive knowledge you've picked up from 'gaming'* books and you always have to have the last word talking to you has become the equivalent of telling a hair raising story to a bald headed man.

* In the 1980s when the casinos had to go out of state for financing they had to deal with Mormon bankers. They knew gambling wasn't a palatable word to use when trying to get money from Mormon bankers to expand the business so gambling became 'gaming'.

As far as 'hearing those stories on cable' while working in casinos we didn't just hear them, we lived them. Et Vous?

Adios.

Why can't you understand the simple fact former and present dealers, many with more years of experience than you, wrote books about their experiences?

And other books were written by players who heard the same stories from dealers and some books were written by casino executives. I bought a collection of gaming books at an estate sale, but have no reason to check the authenticity of stories. I read a similar story about Howard Hughes and "Mormon Bankers", but using gaming versus gambling is now used to distinguish between casual and professional. Only you know the relevance of out of state Mormon banking as opposed to all the other bankers.

"As far as 'hearing those stories on cable' while working in casinos we didn't just hear them, we lived them."

Your logic must not apply to yourself unless you were scammed several times by store owners named Patel. Is there a difference between you reading stories about store owners and clerks named Patel or me reading "behind the table" casino stories?

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    Well Stack, once again you prove you have to have the last word.

    A long time ago I made a post here about my first pit boss. A few of us were in the gift shop looking over some gambling books for sale and he said, "Once you're in the business for a while you'll never get past page 6 of any of these book before you say, "This guy is full of baloney too."

    Tell you what, go work in a casino for a while and then we'll talk.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Well Stack, once again you prove you have to have the last word.

      A long time ago I made a post here about my first pit boss. A few of us were in the gift shop looking over some gambling books for sale and he said, "Once you're in the business for a while you'll never get past page 6 of any of these book before you say, "This guy is full of baloney too."

      Tell you what, go work in a casino for a while and then we'll talk.

      Why can't you understand the simple fact former and present dealers, many with more years of experience than you, wrote books about their experiences?

      I expected your last word would be an answer to the question, but you come up with a silly story unrelated to the question and not even close to the thread topic. I didn't know pit bosses were known to hang out with dealers in gift shops, but next time in a casino, I'll look for it.

      "Tell you what, go work in a casino for a while and then we'll talk."

      I'm still trying to figure out why a "few of you" were reading gambling books in the gift shop. Was that part of your job, back in the day?

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        Stack,

        A lot of those books are written by players trying to get more money to gamble with and also by degenerates in the business for the same reason. Very akin to many who sell lottery systems.

        If you never been to it or the website just search Gambler's Book club.

        If you don't have a copy or can find one John Scarne wrote an Encyclopedia of Gambling. I don't think lottery would be in there as it was a pre- 1964 publication date but it has a lot of gambling history in it.

        There's a lot of things you don't know about pit bosses. We were just looking at the books on a break and he came in to the gift shop to buy a newspaper. Sheesh.

        You're really making yourself look foolish by jumping to conclusions, making false assumptions, and trying to pass yourself off as knowing a lot about something you don't know all that much about.

        We once had a writer for the Gambling Times on our game. He had a dice Q & A column and called himself the dice guru or something similar. Turned out he knew less about the game than the people who sent questions to him.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: December 29, 2014, 2:18 am - IP Logged

          PrinceRene,

          We're not talking about that particular incident.

          Noise-gate just made mention of 'Patel' and you went off on this tangent.

          I'd post links to all the not-so-nice Patel articles but I'm sure no proof would sway your opinion.

          How did I go off on a tangent? I'm talking about the article that started the thread. The link I posted is for RD's Deli and Market in Melrose, Massachusetts, the same store that is talked about in the article.

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            How did I go off on a tangent? I'm talking about the article that started the thread. The link I posted is for RD's Deli and Market in Melrose, Massachusetts, the same store that is talked about in the article.

            This is how:

            noise-gate:

            Since the article does not name of the owner who did the deed, l could not help thinking of a name we all familiar with...yeah that one : Patel.

            you:
            wow....racist much?????


            You were very quick to say 'racist' without any thought about why he might have said what he said.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Stack,

              A lot of those books are written by players trying to get more money to gamble with and also by degenerates in the business for the same reason. Very akin to many who sell lottery systems.

              If you never been to it or the website just search Gambler's Book club.

              If you don't have a copy or can find one John Scarne wrote an Encyclopedia of Gambling. I don't think lottery would be in there as it was a pre- 1964 publication date but it has a lot of gambling history in it.

              There's a lot of things you don't know about pit bosses. We were just looking at the books on a break and he came in to the gift shop to buy a newspaper. Sheesh.

              You're really making yourself look foolish by jumping to conclusions, making false assumptions, and trying to pass yourself off as knowing a lot about something you don't know all that much about.

              We once had a writer for the Gambling Times on our game. He had a dice Q & A column and called himself the dice guru or something similar. Turned out he knew less about the game than the people who sent questions to him.

              "There's a lot of things you don't know about pit bosses. We were just looking at the books on a break and he came in to the gift shop to buy a newspaper. Sheesh."

              I never saw any of the dealers in a rest room and you want me to believe you and your crew (We were just looking at books) took breaks in the gift shop. On every Crap table I played, the dealers rotated, taking turns going on break. The card tables have "break dealers" and next time I'll ask if it's common for any dealer to take their break in the gift shop.

              "You're really making yourself look foolish by jumping to conclusions, making false assumptions, and trying to pass yourself off as knowing a lot about something you don't know all that much about."

              I'm not the one saying it's common for dealers and pit bosses to take breaks in the gift shop reading "how to play" books.

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                Like I said, go work in a casino for a while and then we'll talk. Another very common place to take breaks is the sports book.

                You never worked in it and you're going to tell me what's common and what isn't, that's really rich.

                Of course in your world if you never saw something it didn't happen so from here on in it's pointless discussing anything with you.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Like I said, go work in a casino for a while and then we'll talk. Another very common place to take breaks is the sports book.

                  You never worked in it and you're going to tell me what's common and what isn't, that's really rich.

                  Of course in your world if you never saw something it didn't happen so from here on in it's pointless discussing anything with you.

                  "You never worked in it and you're going to tell me what's common and what isn't, that's really rich."

                  According to someone I know who currently works in a casino, dealers on break are not allowed to wonder around the casinos. But they did say, "back in the day", some casinos allowed their dealers to play slot machines while on break. That was 30 years ago.

                  "it's pointless discussing anything with you."

                  You completely forgot the topic is about a store owner who scammed a customer and began telling me silly casino stuff that sounded more like it came from a porter than a dealer.

                  Too much detail is always sure sign of a good con. Not just you, but your entire crew was in the gift shop, all of you reading a "how to gamble book", when the Pit Boss happens to wonder in buying a newspaper. Forgetting the fact he sees his dealers reading books to learn how to play the game their dealing not giving one thought to who was running their Craps table, he tells them a book he probably never read was false. The one about the Mormon bankers was a hoot too.

                  I just saw where the downtown casino you said you worked for is no longer a Station Casino. The Boyd Gaming Corp owns it, but still uses the name Main Street Station. Have a fond memory of hitting four 7s playing Let it Ride the only time I was in the building.

                  Your stories are like talking about watching the Lottery Stories on TV; not anything you did, but what you heard. Nothing wrong with that until you get ticked off when somebody points out other people heard your stories too and some wrote about them. You're correct it is pointless.

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                    You make many assumptions Stack. I never said my entire crew was in the gift shop. I'm surprised that with your vast knowledge and work experience in casinos you didn't know that the way it works there is one person per crew on a break.

                    The pit boss had a floorman and boxman running the crap table. The boxman was an old timer and spotted known cheats as they came in.

                    I don't know if the Fertiita family ever owned Main St Station but it opened up as The Park and was a near place, more than just a casino. Had some pool tables upstairs. Also introduced the game of Two-up to Vegas, the players loved it. Guys loved it to as they packed gym bags and told their wives they were going to the 'park'.

                    By the way I never said I worked there, must be another one of your false memories. I did work at the Cal for a few years, owned by the Boyd Group.

                    See Ya!  See Ya!  See Ya!

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      This is how:

                      noise-gate:

                      Since the article does not name of the owner who did the deed, l could not help thinking of a name we all familiar with...yeah that one : Patel.

                      you:
                      wow....racist much?????


                      You were very quick to say 'racist' without any thought about why he might have said what he said.

                      I gave plenty of thought into it. That's not a label I throw around.

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                        PrinceRene,

                        You might have gave plenty of thought into it but you didn't research Patel on this board before posting what you posted.

                        Oh well. Happy New Year.

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                          You make many assumptions Stack. I never said my entire crew was in the gift shop. I'm surprised that with your vast knowledge and work experience in casinos you didn't know that the way it works there is one person per crew on a break.

                          The pit boss had a floorman and boxman running the crap table. The boxman was an old timer and spotted known cheats as they came in.

                          I don't know if the Fertiita family ever owned Main St Station but it opened up as The Park and was a near place, more than just a casino. Had some pool tables upstairs. Also introduced the game of Two-up to Vegas, the players loved it. Guys loved it to as they packed gym bags and told their wives they were going to the 'park'.

                          By the way I never said I worked there, must be another one of your false memories. I did work at the Cal for a few years, owned by the Boyd Group.

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                          "I never said my entire crew was in the gift shop."

                          I explained that the other day when I said: you want me to believe you and your crew (We were just looking at books) took breaks in the gift shop. On every Crap table I played, the dealers rotated, taking turns going on break. The card tables have "break dealers" and next time I'll ask if it's common for any dealer to take their break in the gift shop.

                          The last time I looked most Crap tables use four dealers with one on break, but you made it clear more than one dealer (WE) was in the gift shop. I always wondered who gives the Box man a break.

                          "By the way I never said I worked there, must be another one of your false memories."

                          It's obvious you didn't mean the other members of you Crap table crew when you said "WE were just looking at books", but it should be just as obvious it could read as your entire crew. And that what usually happens when someone isn't clear just like what was said at the start of this thread. That include the responses too because there are other ways to say what you mean. The best was from fja who made it clear this store owner wasn't a Patel and use an emote to say what he thought about it.

                          Fact one, there are several lottery stories about store owners and clerks named Patel, but this owner isn't a Patel and why it's possible someone could view what was said as a racist remark. You gave your opinion, made your point, and that is enough. Is continuing saying you don't think it was a racist remark really that important to you that you're willing to risk sounding like a racist trying to prove your point?

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                            I'll play your lunatic game one more time:

                            The last time I looked most Crap tables use four dealers with one on break, but you made it clear more than one dealer (WE) was in the gift shop.always wondered who gives the Box man a break.

                            If there are three tables open there are 4 boxmen, one rotates (relief) and gives the other three breaks. If there are four tables the break guy does all four, etc... If there are six game open there are eight boxmen. Guess that wasn't covered in any of your books.
                            That's unless there is some huge action going on that calls for double box, that means two boxmen on a game.

                            For entertainment purposes I'll call the guy in this story Stack, it's a true story. The dice pit boss called in one night and they had a guy from the 21 pit run the dice pit. Three tables. So he assigned a boxman to each table. There was a fourth boxman there and instead of saying, You're the relief" he asked him if he wanted to go home.

                            When I said we were in the gift shop you assumed it was an entire crew. Anyone actually in the business would have known the meaning.

                            The more you try and share what you know about casino work the more you divulge you don't know what you're talking about.

                            Bye bye, find someone else to chase and dissect their posts, in blue of course.

                            See Ya!

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.