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Extradition trial begins this week in $16.5M Hot Lotto fraud case

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Posted: June 9, 2015, 7:04 am - IP Logged

I really hope I'm not denied my winnings if I can't remember what I was wearing on the day I bought the winning ticket. I probably wouldn't even be able to say where I bought it so presenting a signed ticket better be enough for them.

Which is why, I always ask for a recipt!  This way, I dont have to remember where it is there.

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    Posted: June 9, 2015, 2:26 pm - IP Logged

    RJOh,

    I almost never see a live drawing Xcept  PA has theirs on just before jeopardy, but I never have PA tix.

    Jersey's draw comes on a diff. channel @ 7:59 PM and I always forget, by the time they draw MM and PB I'm asleep.

     

     I was in  Delaware to buy PB and MM cause they are anonymous, and bought a 10 draw advance on HOTLOTTO on a whim,

    then looked it up here on LP, that's when I realized my mistake.

     

    I suppose you're right about  them dressing it up, sounds like that would work on casual players and fools.

    "I suppose you're right about  them dressing it up, sounds like that would work on casual players and fools."

    As long as tickets are being sold they couldn't care less about who's buying them.  Casual players, fools or anybody else, it doesn't matter.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: June 9, 2015, 5:26 pm - IP Logged

      I found this part in the story

      Lottery officials balked at paying the amount, saying certain security criteria wasn't met and prosecutors later determined that the attempt was an inside job by Tipton, at the time the security director for the Multi-State Lottery Association, an Iowa-based group that operates state lotteries, including the Hot Lotto.

      How many times have my haters  called me derogative things ( it is not a conspiracy theory anymore, it is now a conspiracy fact! ) for even mentioning that the lottery can and maybe rigged. 

      What really sucks, is that wisconsin an RNG state,  so if I want to play a lottery, I'd have to play MM or PB....I so much enjoy having that signature saying I don't play either one. 

      This story probably explains best what happened before Tipton became a suspect. And this story before tells how bizarre it really was. It's only in the accusation stage and neither Tipton nor Rhodes were found guilty of any wrong doing. We'll find out how much real evidence they have against Rhodes after the Extradition hearing.

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        Posted: June 9, 2015, 7:55 pm - IP Logged

        Which is why, I always ask for a recipt!  This way, I dont have to remember where it is there.

        You can get receipts for lottery tickets? Not only did I not know that but no one has EVER asked me if I wanted a receipt. I thought the ticket itself was the receipt.

        I might wake up early and go running.  I might also wake up and win the lottery.

        The odds are about the same.

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          Posted: June 9, 2015, 8:43 pm - IP Logged

          This is a classic case of why "winners" should not be allowed to remain anonymous.

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            Posted: June 9, 2015, 10:28 pm - IP Logged

            This is a classic case of why "winners" should not be allowed to remain anonymous.

            Even though I am a big critic of lottery transparency,  it does winners no good to be drug through the public spot light in this economy.

            Trump 2016!

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              Posted: June 10, 2015, 7:20 am - IP Logged

              Which is why, I always ask for a recipt!  This way, I dont have to remember where it is there.

              When claiming a lottery prize a receipt is no better than a play slip for proving you are the owner of a winning ticket.  The ticket is your receipt and it has all the information needed to investigate its creditability.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: June 10, 2015, 12:49 pm - IP Logged

                This is a classic case of why "winners" should not be allowed to remain anonymous.

                I don't think winners need to be anonymous, but this case is completely irrelevant to the matter. This entire case came about precisely because the lottery was unable to determine the actual identity of the winner. Whether or not that information would have been released to the public has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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                  Posted: June 10, 2015, 9:25 pm - IP Logged

                  I really hope I'm not denied my winnings if I can't remember what I was wearing on the day I bought the winning ticket. I probably wouldn't even be able to say where I bought it so presenting a signed ticket better be enough for them.

                  Here in Idaho each ticket has the code for the machine it was bought from.  Albertson's has 2 vending machines plus a terminal at the customer service counter, and each has a different code. 

                  So when you do win and can't remember which store you purchased the ticket from, just go to each of your regular stores and buy a draw ticket (doesn't even have to be the same game) and look for numbers that match your winning ticket.  Idaho has a string of 6 numbers, I imagine other states will have 6 - 8.

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                    Posted: June 14, 2015, 8:26 am - IP Logged

                    "They refuse to specify exactly what they're claiming or exactly when they claim it happened," Stowers said, referring to the tampering allegation. "However, as best as we can tell, they're claiming that on November the 20th of 2010, five or six weeks before the December 29th, 2010 lottery try, he accessed the computer, or both of the computers that generate these numbers, the winning numbers, and somehow planted some kind of software on there that activated and generated the numbers, you know, five or six weeks later."

                    The Hot Lotto people have a huge huge problem proving it's possible that Tipton rigged the drawing five or six weeks before and then actually rigged a lottery terminal to print the same numbers. And if they can, they are basically proving any RNG drawing can be rigged.

                    If you want to send the Hot Lotto people a message, stop playing their games.

                    "The Hot Lotto people have a huge huge problem proving it's possible that Tipton rigged the drawing five or six weeks before and then actually rigged a lottery terminal to print the same numbers."

                    Any terminal can be made to print out any combination on a ticket by simple filling out a play slip, I do it all the time since I'm a system player.

                    What I don't understand is this being called  a $16.5M Hot Lotto fraud case if $16.5M was the projected annuity pay out amount over thirty years.  If this guy had gotten away with it and taken the actual cash amount after taxes it would have been less than half that amount.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Posted: June 14, 2015, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

                      "The Hot Lotto people have a huge huge problem proving it's possible that Tipton rigged the drawing five or six weeks before and then actually rigged a lottery terminal to print the same numbers."

                      Any terminal can be made to print out any combination on a ticket by simple filling out a play slip, I do it all the time since I'm a system player.

                      What I don't understand is this being called  a $16.5M Hot Lotto fraud case if $16.5M was the projected annuity pay out amount over thirty years.  If this guy had gotten away with it and taken the actual cash amount after taxes it would have been less than half that amount.

                      Maybe I wrongly assumed it, but I thought the ticket was a QP when the NY Attorney tried to validate it on behalf of a trust. One would think because this is a criminal proceeding, the story should have all the important details.

                      "What I don't understand is this being called  a $16.5M Hot Lotto fraud case"

                      For starters (according to this story), they can't even prove without reasonable doubt that Tipton bought the ticket or what if any was Rhodes involvement. Does it really make any sense for Tipton to buy a self pick, rig the RNG so those numbers will be drawn in "five to six weeks" with no plans on how to collect the winnings?

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                        Posted: June 15, 2015, 8:23 am - IP Logged

                        Maybe I wrongly assumed it, but I thought the ticket was a QP when the NY Attorney tried to validate it on behalf of a trust. One would think because this is a criminal proceeding, the story should have all the important details.

                        "What I don't understand is this being called  a $16.5M Hot Lotto fraud case"

                        For starters (according to this story), they can't even prove without reasonable doubt that Tipton bought the ticket or what if any was Rhodes involvement. Does it really make any sense for Tipton to buy a self pick, rig the RNG so those numbers will be drawn in "five to six weeks" with no plans on how to collect the winnings?

                        It could be something as simple as Tipton observing how seed numbers for the RNG was picked, something like a programmer debugging a game by using the same seed number each time so he can anticipate certain results.  But if that's true then it would say MUSL was using a RNG that could have been written by a elementary school student to run a multi-million dollars lottery game.

                        They must have some facts that haven't been made public yet.

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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