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Jackpot-fixing investigation expands to more state lotteries

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Posted: December 21, 2015, 11:15 am - IP Logged

How LONG has it been going on?   That's the main question.   Do WE get refunds??  I suspect not.   I stopped buying Powerball tickets when they raised the price of tickets to 2.00.  Only play the MegaBall now.  Did he sneak a few hits on that too?     It has come to not trusting the lottery at all, those computer picks in PA for the daily number... who is choosing the numbers for the Day draw and are they using this asinine way to cheat us?   I agree, where there is money there is corruption.

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    Posted: December 21, 2015, 11:23 am - IP Logged

    Balls can be rigged too.   Remember years ago in the PA lottery, 666 came out.   Word on the street was to play anything with 6 or 4.  All the other ball were weighted down.   A lot of people hit off of that and a lot went to jail too.

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      Posted: December 22, 2015, 12:28 pm - IP Logged

      todd:

      Is illinois rng daily drawings effected by what this person has done directly?

       

      How many states use software and firmware from the same firms.

      I thought the machines had no way of sending out data--to another computer.

      Are not they supposed to be in a sealed room unable to send out or be changed by others?

      oct 1st illinois went rng.

      supposedly to many people had advantages others didn't and that was the reason to go rng.

      *We may see something that isn’t there because of what we expect to see

      Or conversely, we may not see something because we don’t expect to see it.*

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        Posted: December 22, 2015, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

        Balls can be rigged too.   Remember years ago in the PA lottery, 666 came out.   Word on the street was to play anything with 6 or 4.  All the other ball were weighted down.   A lot of people hit off of that and a lot went to jail too.

        Some people occasionally bring this up as a way to show some kind of balance between ball drawings and computerized drawings.  But that is like comparing a raindrop to a monsoon.

        Yes, you can theoretically say a ball drawing can be rigged, and you can even say that it was rigged in that one specific case, many years ago.  But in that one instance where it was done it was CAUGHT because you can physically inspect the balls and any layman can witness the drawing and see what happens.

        With computerized drawings, we are talking about something that was NEVER caught, and went on for years.  The only reason Tipton was caught was because he was a poor thief.  He was caught flat-footed trying to redeem the $14.1 million Hot Lotto jackpot, and he should never have purchased the ticket himself.

        If he did not blunder the claiming of that prize, this would still be going on today -- and NOBODY WOULD KNOW IT.

        And it's not just obvious rigging here.  Another major problem with computerized drawings is that because it is IMPOSSIBLE to witness the actual drawing of numbers, it is impossible to tell if a glitch in the software or its configuration is causing certain combinations to never be drawn.  This has happened MANY times in the past, and it has gone on for months before the PLAYERS started complaining about certain combinations never being drawn.  At that point, how many millions of dollars did players waste on tickets with no chance of winning?

        Don't fall into the trap that computerized drawings are somehow comparable to real lotto ball drawings.  THEY ARE NOT.  No matter how "good" a random number generator may be at generating random numbers, its really doesn't matter if the whole system fails for a completely different reason.

        Take a look at the cavalcade of computerized drawing news stories here at Lottery Post.  And then try to compare that to one incident many years ago in which the perp was easily discovered and caught.

         

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          Posted: December 22, 2015, 2:23 pm - IP Logged

          ABC NEWS going to have a story on this shortly, said it may be up to 30 states.  Can hardly wait for the story to come on.

          I saw the story, and I don't think ABC did a good job on it.  They are being very confusing with the "30 states" thing, because 30 states did not use the computerized equipment being discussed.  For example, they highlighted Texas as one of the states, even though Texas uses no computerized drawings.  They probably included Texas because Tipton's brother lives there, but it is highly misleading to say that Texas was ever involved. 

          So by all means read any articles, but know that the mainstream news media does not make strenuous attempts to get the facts straight regarding the lottery.  They tend to make the stories more sensational than they are by distorting the facts.

           

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            Posted: December 23, 2015, 12:17 am - IP Logged

            Excellent posts Todd.

            With all this and other things that went on in Illinois I find it especially disturbing that the Illinois Lottery went to computerized drawings.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Posted: December 23, 2015, 1:22 pm - IP Logged

              I saw the story, and I don't think ABC did a good job on it.  They are being very confusing with the "30 states" thing, because 30 states did not use the computerized equipment being discussed.  For example, they highlighted Texas as one of the states, even though Texas uses no computerized drawings.  They probably included Texas because Tipton's brother lives there, but it is highly misleading to say that Texas was ever involved. 

              So by all means read any articles, but know that the mainstream news media does not make strenuous attempts to get the facts straight regarding the lottery.  They tend to make the stories more sensational than they are by distorting the facts.

              WAIT! Are you saying the main stream media is really just interested in AD sales and not facts?  Eek

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                Posted: December 23, 2015, 6:59 pm - IP Logged

                "you can physically inspect the balls"

                Well, sure you can, but what if the only person inspecting them is Eddie Tipton? That seems to be about what happened with the RNG games that were tampered with. Just because you can't see the drawing process doesn't mean you can't inspect the software and the machines. It may be difficult to determine what the legitimate software does under every circumstance and it might even be difficult to determine what changes have been made. What's not difficult is determining if there has been a change.

                Of course you won't find any changes if you don't bother looking for them. Management at MUSL seems to have been working on the theory that Tipton was 100% trustworthy and/or that there was absolutely no way anybody could tamper with the machines. How many people think you need proof in order to figure out that either or both of those things might not be true?