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Tialuvslotto's avatar - Jailin
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Posted: April 2, 2016, 8:54 am - IP Logged

Hey, Dawson!  Ya got $9 Million.  Don't be greedy!

I agree about the speculative part.  No one can know what would have happened had Tipton not fixed the draw.

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    Posted: April 2, 2016, 9:08 am - IP Logged

    Lurking drama.... Can't wait for the LTM thanks Eddie.

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      So Glad this Lawsuit is bringing to light the fact that he is right. The game was rigged and they went after the person and now someone is going after them. They lied got caught and now they are looking for the Judge to help hid the Facts!!!

      I Agree!

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        Posted: April 2, 2016, 11:18 am - IP Logged

        You have to appreciate both sides of this story.

        Larry Dawson wins $9 mil jackpot, but feels cheated when they disclose that the $16.5 mil jackpot won before the one he won was rigged and feels that he is entitled to that amount since he would have won $25.5 mil instead. 

        The lottery is saying that if the $16.5 mil jackpot had not been won by fraud, it might have been won by someone else before Dawson won.

        As far as giving refunds for non-winning tickets.....WHY? Who knows what numbers would have been drawn if the drawing had not been rigged, but the numbers that were drawn did match some tickets that had been purchased for that drawing. Besides...do you still have your non-winning tickets from 2010?

        $9 mil is a lot of money and he should be thankful for having won that amount.

        It's impossible to know what would have happened if that drawing wasn't rigged.

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          You have to appreciate both sides of this story.

          Larry Dawson wins $9 mil jackpot, but feels cheated when they disclose that the $16.5 mil jackpot won before the one he won was rigged and feels that he is entitled to that amount since he would have won $25.5 mil instead. 

          The lottery is saying that if the $16.5 mil jackpot had not been won by fraud, it might have been won by someone else before Dawson won.

          As far as giving refunds for non-winning tickets.....WHY? Who knows what numbers would have been drawn if the drawing had not been rigged, but the numbers that were drawn did match some tickets that had been purchased for that drawing. Besides...do you still have your non-winning tickets from 2010?

          $9 mil is a lot of money and he should be thankful for having won that amount.

          It's impossible to know what would have happened if that drawing wasn't rigged.

          Actually, it might have been even higher than 25 million since higher jackpot would have boosted the sales even further. Which is also the reason why someone might have won before. Hence, speculative case. It's even more speculative and even bust in my opinion because if it weren't for the rigging, different numbers would be drawn on latter draws.

          The reason why the lottery should refund loosing tickets is because the rules say that draws are random, yet that one wasn't. Whether it makes a difference or not is irrelevant unless players don't object (which those that won something obviously won't). But is does make a difference since a lot of players wouldn't buy tickets if they knew that the winner is guaranteed, and even if they win themselves, there is a 100% chance that they will have to split the advertised prize.

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            Posted: April 3, 2016, 6:09 pm - IP Logged

            There's a whole lot of conjecture going on and I don't think any presiding judge is going to get sucked into all the "what ifs" being thrown around. 

            The main issue should be whether Hot Lotto had the right or legal standing to absorb that $16M once they knew about the fraud and number manipulation. If they had the legal right to do so then everything else is moot and all the endless conjectures are meaningless.

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              There's a whole lot of conjecture going on and I don't think any presiding judge is going to get sucked into all the "what ifs" being thrown around. 

              The main issue should be whether Hot Lotto had the right or legal standing to absorb that $16M once they knew about the fraud and number manipulation. If they had the legal right to do so then everything else is moot and all the endless conjectures are meaningless.

              I Agree!

              The Iowa Lottery knew something was wrong when the New York lawyer showed up to collect the jackpot on behalf of a trust, but withdrew the claim. From there they investigated the person who bought the ticket that never identified themselves. The $16 million is not the cash value and while the MUSL has rules on how to distribute unclaimed winnings, I doubt they have rules that cover an employee rigging a drawing.

              How the court rules will be interesting.

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                Posted: April 4, 2016, 12:17 pm - IP Logged

                A group of state lotteries has asked a judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a jackpot winner who argues he was shortchanged by millions of dollars because the prior drawing was rigged by one of its employees.

                In court documents filed this week, the Multi-State Lottery Association argued that Iowa resident Larry Dawson does not have legal standing to sue because his "claimed injury is merely speculative and hypothetical, and therefore cannot be redressed."

                Dawson, of Webster City, filed the lawsuit in February. It is the first stemming from jackpot-fixing allegations against former lottery association security director Eddie Tipton.

                (See First lawsuit in state lottery-fixing scandal seeks millions, Lottery Post, Feb. 4, 2016.)

                Tipton has been convicted of rigging a $16.5 million jackpot in December 2010 by tampering with the computer that generated Hot Lotto numbers at the Urbandale, Iowa-based association, then purchasing a ticket with the winning six-number combination himself. That money was returned to the 16 states that participate in Hot Lotto when associates of Tipton tried, but ultimately failed, to claim the prize a year later.

                After the rigged jackpot, the Hot Lotto prize reset to its $1 million base. Dawson won the game's next jackpot, worth $9 million, in May 2011. He argues that, under the rules of the game, the money from the rigged drawing should have rolled over and created a $25.5 million pool for the jackpot he won rather than being shared by the states as an unclaimed prize.

                In a legal brief, the association argued that Dawson's claim that the prize money would have continued to carry over until he won is "complete speculation and conjecture."

                "Had the December 29, 2010 Hot Lotto game not been allegedly rigged, different numbers would have been drawn on that date and may have resulted in a different jackpot winner," association attorneys wrote. "Moreover, had the jackpot continued to progressively increase following the December 29, 2010 drawing, the player pool for all drawings would have increased as well, resulting in more number combinations being purchased for each drawing, until a jackpot winner was chosen."

                Therefore, the likelihood of someone winning the jackpot before Dawson would have increased and the $9 million jackpot he won "may very well have been less," they wrote.

                One of Dawson's attorneys, Nicholas Mauro, said Thursday that Dawson's injuries weren't hypothetical.

                "There is nothing speculative about the fact the December 2010 drawing was rigged, or the fact Mr. Dawson was the next legitimate winner," he said. "According to the rules of the game — in which the lottery asks the public to put its faith — his jackpot should have included the December 29, 2010, prize money."

                There is no , allegedly that the Hot Lotto Jackpot game was rigged in Iowa. IT a fact.
                There is no complete speculation or conjecture the Iowa Lottery players did in fact 
                get ripped off on Dec. 29, 2010 drawing of the Hot Lotto game. What I see here is that Iowa gaming board need spring cleaning. They will most likely get the same judge that 
                same rule in their favor on the casino sandal , where the woman win the jackpot & get the $1 & something she put in the machine. When Iowa people were to busy or too Lazy take 
                your pick to take the multiplier off one of it games.They were warned. All this with in a 
                year makes "Iowa gaming appear to be corrupted." I don't know how some of these people
                still collect a pay check. I still believe they such give the Iowa lottery players give a coupon  or something back buy 3 ticket get the 4th free to made up for this. It a positive step
                in the right direction to improve Iowa gaming Image." We all know the house wins when
                we gamble, to do nothing for you players at all will make this a Grand Thief. Why such your players continue to be nice to you & play your game? What have you done for your players lately Iowa? Let me guess, Nothing!.
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                  There is no , allegedly that the Hot Lotto Jackpot game was rigged in Iowa. IT a fact.
                  There is no complete speculation or conjecture the Iowa Lottery players did in fact 
                  get ripped off on Dec. 29, 2010 drawing of the Hot Lotto game. What I see here is that Iowa gaming board need spring cleaning. They will most likely get the same judge that 
                  same rule in their favor on the casino sandal , where the woman win the jackpot & get the $1 & something she put in the machine. When Iowa people were to busy or too Lazy take 
                  your pick to take the multiplier off one of it games.They were warned. All this with in a 
                  year makes "Iowa gaming appear to be corrupted." I don't know how some of these people
                  still collect a pay check. I still believe they such give the Iowa lottery players give a coupon  or something back buy 3 ticket get the 4th free to made up for this. It a positive step
                  in the right direction to improve Iowa gaming Image." We all know the house wins when
                  we gamble, to do nothing for you players at all will make this a Grand Thief. Why such your players continue to be nice to you & play your game? What have you done for your players lately Iowa? Let me guess, Nothing!.

                  That money was returned to the 16 states that participate in Hot Lotto when associates of Tipton tried, but ultimately failed, to claim the prize a year later.

                  Hot Lotto is a multi-state game based in Iowa. There was no actual proof the game was rigged and a jury found it was "beyond reasonable doubt", but their verdict could be reversed in the court of appeals.

                  The Iowa Hot Lotto players have the same complaints as all the players in the other 15 states and because of the time between when all the tickets from that drawing expired and Tipton was convicted, it's doubtful anyone still has a ticket proving they were in the "alleged" rigged drawing. Compare this to when the Tennessee Lottery's brand new RNG was programmed to have no double digits in their twice drawn daily pick-3 and pick-4 games.

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                    That money was returned to the 16 states that participate in Hot Lotto when associates of Tipton tried, but ultimately failed, to claim the prize a year later.

                    Hot Lotto is a multi-state game based in Iowa. There was no actual proof the game was rigged and a jury found it was "beyond reasonable doubt", but their verdict could be reversed in the court of appeals.

                    The Iowa Hot Lotto players have the same complaints as all the players in the other 15 states and because of the time between when all the tickets from that drawing expired and Tipton was convicted, it's doubtful anyone still has a ticket proving they were in the "alleged" rigged drawing. Compare this to when the Tennessee Lottery's brand new RNG was programmed to have no double digits in their twice drawn daily pick-3 and pick-4 games.

                    Most couldn't prove that they were in the rigged drawing but some could. So refunds should be at least available for them. Besides, some paid with bank cards, so proving should be possible even without having the ticket anymore. But it's doubtful that anyone would find it worthwhile to go through this process just for a couple of bucks.

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                      Most couldn't prove that they were in the rigged drawing but some could. So refunds should be at least available for them. Besides, some paid with bank cards, so proving should be possible even without having the ticket anymore. But it's doubtful that anyone would find it worthwhile to go through this process just for a couple of bucks.

                      The drawing was over 5 years ago, all the tickets expired over four years ago so there is no reason for anyone to keep their "losing" tickets including for IRS.

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                        The drawing was over 5 years ago, all the tickets expired over four years ago so there is no reason for anyone to keep their "losing" tickets including for IRS.

                        Bank statements don't expire. And some odd person might still have the ticket. Even if you can't help all of them, you can still repay the few.

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                          Bank statements don't expire. And some odd person might still have the ticket. Even if you can't help all of them, you can still repay the few.

                          The IRS can ask for up to seven years back.
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                            Correct me if I wrong. Why did Iowa & the other states deliberately wait until all the 
                            tickets expired before they file charge against Tipton ? Why , let this person continue to 
                            work in a position were can rig any more games? This person had no problem saying how
                            it could be done & did it. That bold. Most people radar pick up on statements like this right
                            away. IT is just my opinion that they such do something for the Iowa players and all states involve.
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                              See all the problems you caused Eddie! Chair

                              LOL!

                               

                              Unfortunately for Dawson, he doesn't really have a case. The reason being is that if Tipton had not allegedly tampered with the computer, someone else (such as myself), may have won that drawing that Tipton won.

                              There was a high probability that there would not have been another rollover. The jackpot was over $16 Million. - A rather high jackpot for Hot Lotto.

                              I am upset and feel that The Lottery owes me $1000, the amount I played and was cheated out of!

                              The difference between my claim and Dawson's is my loss is real, his is only speculative. Besides, by going on to win, he got back every dollar he's ever played on the lottery.

                              I think that Dawson needs to stop gambling his winnings on lawyer fees right now, on a case I believe he's going to ultimately lose and, change his attitude from greed to gratitude.