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Iowa man accused of lottery fraud for cashing ticket on friend's behalf

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I too think Hays was well aware of exactly what Hanson's situation was with regard to Hanson's child support being in arrears and back taxes.  And that's probably because Hanson told him all about it. (And they could be related too - cousins or brothers-in-law.)

But the thing is, how can the prosecutor possibly know (not to mention prove beyond a reasonable doubt) exactly what or was not in Hay's head? Judges always say "You can not tell me what was in the defendant's head. That's hearsay."  The DA obviously knows that, so what does he have up his sleeve that makes him think he can get a conviction?   Or maybe the DA is bluffing hoping he can get Hays take a plea deal. 

Knowing that most District Attorneys wont charge someone unless they think there is a solid chance for a conviction, if the DA truly isn't bluffing, what makes him think he can put Hays away?  G5

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    I Agree! it's a pretty weird situation, but we're talking about Iowa where a New York lawyer tried to redeem a $16 million Hot Lotto ticket bought in Iowa just hours before the ticket expired. Maybe they do background checks on all the people accompanying the winner.

    This ticket was cashed in 2018 so pandemic was not an issue.

    Iowa-So much going on there- From Hot Lotto to Fields of dreams. What's not to love. 

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      If you just wanted to gift your friend the lottery ticket with no strings attached, then that's fine.  But that's not what happened here.

      This guy gave it to the friend to redeem so that they could avoid paying back taxes, child support, etc., and then the friend gave most of the winnings back to the original winner.  That's illegal.  It's like declaring bankruptcy while secretly hiding assets from the court.  That puts you in jail.

      I still dont see an issue. Lets take a smaller example... say I win $4 on Powerball. Can I give that ticket to a FRIEND as a GIFT?

       

      Regardless if its $4 or 200 million. Why cant I give it to whoever I please for WHATEVER reason I want?....and did the defendant ADMIT he has malice intent OR is it assumed because of his past debts? Also, say I win 200 million, can I hand that ticket (not yet signed) over to a charity?

       

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        1. Why Hanson went with Hay to pick up the prize at the lottery headquarter?  If Hanson knew he would be in trouble, he should have sent Hay by himself to pick up the money. 

         

        PRIVACY QUESTION. 

        Suppose I won $25000, and I go with my brother, friend, co-worker to pick up the winning prize at the same lottery headquarter,

         

        So THEY ARE GOING TO CHECK the BACKGROUND No NoFOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SHOWS UP WITH ME. 

        THEN, IF my co-worker owes child-support to the States, then we all are in trouble. What?.. Since I have a clean background, they will suspect me of helping someone in the group.

        THANK YOU !!!!!!!!

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          But whhhhyy couldn't they just over look the bag ... I'd offer up my Cut in taxes and say I am not responsible for whether a grow man pays his bills ot taxes ... Cheezy lawyer

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            Looks like they're going to prove Hansen's motive by getting the testimony of other people he tried to get to cash his ticket. 

            I'm surprised at the charge against Hay though.  Why not charge him as an accessory in defrauding the courts or whomever it is that's responsible for making sure Child Support is paid?  If Hansen told the other people why he wanted them to cash his ticket, then it can be assumed that Hay knew what he was doing.