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Do you believe winning a Lottery Jackpot is Luck or Fate/Destiny?

Luck

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Fate/Destiny

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danisiri

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:20 am

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on July 12, 2005

lottery analyst it's not you fault religion got into this thread. it's keywords that one must avoid or it will bring out the spiritual advisors. keywords like God Jesus, fate and destiny will summon visiondude and other spiritual commentators in a heart beat. i know because i made a comment when i first joined about fate and a 21 page thread was initiated because of it. Various parts of the bible were discussed from beginning to end and caused some really heated arguments as to what was correct and not correct about gods roll and destiny. Don't let it bother you i'm used to it and try to avoid commenting but just don't get it that these spiritual advisors. Have any interest in the lottery because the creator wouldn't want them to be gambling in the first place and there job is to seek out non believers and minister to them.

Actually, I think that gambling is a sin when it consumes you. The Bible says that the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Money in and of itself is not the problem. Before I was a Christian, I used to play the $5, $10, or more per draw in the lottery. But, as I grew more and more in my relationship with the Lord, I saw how He always provided for my sustenance. I am fulfilled regardless of whether I win or not.

The reason I play my $1 quickpick is that I am leaving an avenue open for God to bless me with the stewardship of using the money for His glory. I feel that I am being led to use the money for doing the job Jesus gave every Christian called the Great Commission. We ARE are called to seek out non-believers and tell them the Gospel. I also plan to run a free dental practice for the poor. I would like to help build churches and health clinics in Africa, Asia, and South America. These things take more money than I can make as a dentist and more time than I physically have since I need to work to support my family. I am not in it for myself, as strange as that may appear to most here at Lottery Post. I am working towards these plans anyway, but as I said before, a jackpot will just get them implemented faster.

Plus, I would rather that someone win who would use the money for His kingdom rather than for someone to blow it on living like a rockstar. I do not want to win if the money will cloud my judgement and pull me away from God and His purpose for my life.

As to mentioning God or Jesus, yes you will always get a response from me. You may even get comments on God without ever mentioning Him. I just love to talk about Him because He is my everything!
Rip Snorter

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:21 am

you can either except that, or fight against it. i respect your right to make that choice...

I'd prefer just to have an 'ignore' button, visiondude.

I haven't any intention of fighting your beliefs..... your beliefs are of no concern to me. But I also have no intention of 'excepting' (sic) them simply because you use this forum to try to pound them into the heads of the forum users by repitition.

Not wanting to hear about your religious beliefs doesn't equate to fighting them. It just equates to not wanting to hear them REALLY badly.

Jack
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Jul 13, 2005, 12:33 am

four4me and pick4 master;

why do you think that Christians specifically can't gamble?

i know that in some traditional churches, gambling is looked upon as sinful. but that specific belief cannot be backed up scriptually in a black and white fashion.

it is more a matter of conscience between a person and God.

however, the bible has alot to say about how we are to handle money with somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,300 scriptural references to money.

and one thing is clearly a sin biblically speaking. that one should expect to get rich thru anything but hard work. which is why i don't advocate playing the lottery unless a person has a clear conscience towards it, or more specifically, you know for certain that you are "meant to". which i have maintained that it is possible for one to be able to know that they are, even differentiating truth from emotions. some people know their destiny. others are merely "guessing".

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four4me

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Jul 13, 2005, 12:36 am

And i too am not going to have a battle of whits with anyone over this matter. If you or anyone for that matter want to fund the church there are a thousand other ways to do it without winning the lottery. I know hundreds of BAG's (born again christians) and not one of them condones playing the lottery for gods purpose or any other purpose. god will provide for the people according to them they don't have to do anything but sit and pray and all things will eventually work for them.

Visiondude god doesn't want people to play the lottery he wants people to pray for his salvation and for the saved to gather as many people as they can to make disciples out of them so they can gather more people to save and convert them to disciples and for them to get busy with gods work.
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Jul 13, 2005, 12:57 am

So we must WORK HARD in order to get Rich well good because I "WORK" hard every time I decide too play the Pick-5 by selecting and Wheeling my numbers,and I am just repeating what a lot of Good Christian folk believe about gambling I for one do not share those beliefs,and as you stated VisionDude there are no Scriptures that say gambling is sinful.But you mentioned that getting Rich without hard work is sinful? that really doesn't make any sense to me why must someone "have" too work hard to get anything if there's an easier way of getting it.Why struggle with blood,sweat and tears if there's a less stressful,exhausting way of doing things.If I could WIN the Lottery by cheating believe me I would as long as what I do isn't illegal then no harm done.Card Counters found an easy way to play and win Blackjack until the Casinos found out and banned them from playing (even though it was legal) so if someone comes up with an "easy" way of getting/winning money then my hat's off too them God gave them a Brain/Intelligence and they put it too use so how could that be a sin.I expect too get Rich my own way, not by working for someone else or waiting for a "sure thing" too come around I'd rather find an easy way of doing things a way that takes a lot less work to get what I desire and if I find something that requires "no hard work" whatsoever then I'm all for it , I don't believe in "unnecessary hard work" I try too avoid it as much as possible but if there are people out there that believe they need too struggle in life to get what they want it's a Free country so let them go ahead I'll be home sleeping.
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Jul 13, 2005, 1:01 am

Actually "Four4me" GOD doesn't mind if we gamble as long as we don't get carried away with it you know get "addicted" but if your a responsible player "like me" he's Cool with that so VisionDude and the other guy aren't making the MAN upstairs angry if anything he's rooting for them and the rest of us that play he wants good things too happen in our lives.
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Jul 13, 2005, 1:05 am

It's a free country if you want too play the Lottery and have the money too do so by all means go for it,it's your money and your choice no one can tell you whether it's right or not if your a legal adult.
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Jul 13, 2005, 1:08 am

When I win the Lottery I'll put the money too good use buy me a new car,new clothes,a nice house,spoil my girlfriend and put money away for my kid what a good way too spend "my" money.
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Jul 13, 2005, 1:17 am

There's a proper place for everything, including sharing your religious thoughts with other people of like mind.

A blog would be a good alternative. You could say all you say, and you could say it as many times as you wish without anyone encountering it unless they wanted to.

Threads of your own on the Mystical Forum might be another. That's a good place created for people to discuss spiritual and religious beliefs.

But weaving every possible thread with your religious beliefs, interjecting your views at every opportunity is the antithesis of Christianity. It's also rude and counter productive to your own purposes, unless your purposes are to repel.

This forum cuts a wide swath where religious views are concerned. I'm obviously not the only one who'd prefer not to be constantly reminded of your religious biases.

The history of Christianity includes a lot of profound thinkers on the subjects of ideology, theology, Christian philosophy. They're worth reading for Christians and non-Christians, alike. There's a lot of wisdom to be found there for any human being in search of wisdom. Their words are there for anyone looking for them in libraries, bookstores, whereever good books are found.

That's where I go when I want to learn about Christianity, about Christian beliefs, about theology.

I come to Lottery Post to learn what I can about lottery matters, to discuss lottery matters with other people who are also interested in lottery matters.

Jack
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Jul 13, 2005, 1:33 am

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on July 13, 2005

And i too am not going to have a battle of whits with anyone over this matter. If you or anyone for that matter want to fund the church there are a thousand other ways to do it without winning the lottery. I know hundreds of BAG's (born again christians) and not one of them condones playing the lottery for gods purpose or any other purpose. god will provide for the people according to them they don't have to do anything but sit and pray and all things will eventually work for them.

what battle? there is none. i can appreciate you not believing/agreeing with me and others in here, but the only "battle" that will happen is when people attempt to get me to be quiet, is when i will fight for the right to express the views shared by me/others. that will never happen

it's been a wonderful advantage in my life, that since day one that i had become a believer, that i knew that God "could" do anything he wanted, anytime he wanted, and any way he wanted. since day one i refused to hand my mind over to someone elses's authority, opting instead to allow God to do what he wanted thru me no matter how bizarre it sounded. thinking outside the box (but coloring inside the lines that God does draw) ...has defined my life.

which is why i am here at LP.

i am not in here so that i can be funded to do something "philanthropic" for God. i am in here because for reasons that belong to God alone, he has made it clear that it somehow fits into his personal plan for my life. so for me, it has nothing to do with money (beyond the functionality of whatever he decides), as much as it has to do with something he intends to do thru me. so for me, playing the lottery is really about obedience. it is not from some emotional need/want. i don't "emote" about winning. i plan/prepare for it because i know someday that it will happen to me.

i should clarify something about my philanthropic comment. i have no problem with danisiri's desire (or anyone elses's) to allow God to do the things that are on his/their heart. i have no way of telling if that is/isn't how God plans to do things thru his life. it could be. i know his conscience is clear about it and thats what matters. but for me, it is merely a tool that God has decided that he will use thru my life, and i must be obedient to the avenue for which he has chosen.

it is somewhat different i concur, as God could have done it alot of different ways. i surely don't need a jackpot win as the only means by which he can do what he desires to do .....unless it happens to be the chosen avenue he intends to drive down. i just go along for the ride (which i have done with a good attitude, despite the hardships that he has orchestrated for my life which has equal bearing/importance). other people will make that differentiation. not me, and certainly not God...

VISION - WA - DUUUUUUUUDE

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P.S., that RJoH is a stand up guy. thanks, vision

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four4me

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Jul 13, 2005, 1:36 am

Rip wrote:
I come to Lottery Post to learn what I can about lottery matters, to discuss lottery matters with other people who are also interested in lottery matters.

Jack that's exactly what i tried to say way back when.. there are literally thousands of faith oriented web sites on the Internet to take this stuff but because there is no specific rules disallowing a person from posting scriptural language it will continue until this thread is either locked or runs the gamut
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Jul 13, 2005, 2:30 am

Well hopefully "Four4me" it will get locked before it gets out of hand it does get somewhat "Irritating" to have Religion interjected unnecessarily when discussing Lottery matters.So when that happens I usually go too the Christian Forums and stir things up a bit too let off some "steam".
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Jul 13, 2005, 2:34 am

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on July 13, 2005
Rip wrote:
I come to Lottery Post to learn what I can about lottery matters, to discuss lottery matters with other people who are also interested in lottery matters.

Jack that's exactly what i tried to say way back when.. there are literally thousands of faith oriented web sites on the Internet to take this stuff but because there is no specific rules disallowing a person from posting scriptural language it will continue until this thread is either locked or runs the gamut

Indeed, Lottery Post is about lottery matters and is the focus of this discussion. I am still talking lottery from my perspective. Indeed, everyone is entitled to their opinion. God gave us free will. I choose to serve Him. Others do not.

As for philanthropy, that is what God has put on my heart. Yes, I do pray for God's will to be done in all things in my life. I have the goals I feel He is leading me to complete. I am praying for Him to guide me down that path in whatever way He wants me to go. Maybe it includes the lottery, maybe it does not. I do not know for certain or have as clear a vision that I will win, but I do feel that I should leave the avenue open. I do not put my hope in winning the lottery to fufill what God has for me. My hope is in Christ alone.

I am not trying to force religion down anyone's throat, nor forcing anyone to read my posts, nor trying to convince people that I am right. If someone's mind can be convinced to follow God, it can be convinced out of it. With God, it is a matter of the heart and must be decided between him/her and God. I am just reflecting His light. So, feel free to skip over my posts.

Anyway, for now, we can agree to disagree.
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Jul 13, 2005, 2:47 am

Quote: Originally posted by Rip Snorter on July 13, 2005

There's a proper place for everything, including sharing your religious thoughts with other people of like mind.

A blog would be a good alternative. You could say all you say, and you could say it as many times as you wish without anyone encountering it unless they wanted to.

Threads of your own on the Mystical Forum might be another. That's a good place created for people to discuss spiritual and religious beliefs.

But weaving every possible thread with your religious beliefs, interjecting your views at every opportunity is the antithesis of Christianity. It's also rude and counter productive to your own purposes, unless your purposes are to repel.

This forum cuts a wide swath where religious views are concerned. I'm obviously not the only one who'd prefer not to be constantly reminded of your religious biases.

The history of Christianity includes a lot of profound thinkers on the subjects of ideology, theology, Christian philosophy. They're worth reading for Christians and non-Christians, alike. There's a lot of wisdom to be found there for any human being in search of wisdom. Their words are there for anyone looking for them in libraries, bookstores, whereever good books are found.

That's where I go when I want to learn about Christianity, about Christian beliefs, about theology.

I come to Lottery Post to learn what I can about lottery matters, to discuss lottery matters with other people who are also interested in lottery matters.

Jack

answers as per your paragraphs...

(1) because there are other people at LP that believe the way that i do, now (and here) ....is the proper "place". just because you don't think it is, doesn't make it so.

(2) not interested in blogs (other than reading them). which underlines the fact that i stated before. that if all i wanted to do was shove it down peoples throats until they choked on it, my posting endless blogs (and starting thread after thread about "God") ...would serve that purpose.

(3) notice how i don't start threads in the mystical forum (or anywhere else) ? it sure isn't because i am afraid to. it is because i wait for open doors, and then i walk right thru them.

(4) i have hundreds of posts that never mention God. sorry your "vision" is tainted by your penchant for attempting to get me to stop talking about something that you are clearly uncomfortable with. that is your problem. it is most certainly not mine. my "purpose" is to give people tools to feel after/find God, and to affirm what they already believe. what they do with those tools is between them and God. actually if you can keep your disdain for christianity that does include some actual "standards" in check for a moment, you will find that most of the things that i say can help people feel their way to God thru a common sense approach as well.

if you don't believe it, then how could it possibly "repel" you jack if as you continually say that you could "care less" what others believe or think? now all of a sudden your "concerned"? i don't make allowances for people like you to even slow me down. i know thier game. their "game" via thier disdain for the beliefs that i/others hold is to get us to keep quiet, or go away. neither of which will happen until i am ready. i have a vision to execute ...remember?

(5) thank God it does. it also includes the various things that you are into. some of which most people in here can't read between the lines to see what it is you believe. in my opinion, you totally disregard Gods warning to mankind about consulting alternative spiritual "forces" for answers to your life. (I ching, dowsing, pendulum swinging, etc, etc.). now do you see me busting your chops for your beliefs? if you would like to, we can debate anything you like in any forum at anytime. i am more than prepared for that challenge. but unless you can prove that it is my opinion alone , you are merely wasting your prolific linguistic skills.

that "swath"...... also includes you, and as much as i can't stand what you are trying to pass on "knowledge wise" ...because i believe (my opinion) that it is demonically influenced and therefore eventually harmful to others "futures", i still respect that they are your beliefs. you have your biases, and others have theirs. so get over it.

(6, 7, and 8) good advice (mostly). maybe you don't come here to learn about how Christ works in a believers life, but some people do. if you don't, then feel free to read about Jesus at your local book store when the mood strikes. me and others will continue to play along these lines despite your futile efforts to steer it off track.

a "little" friendly piece of advice my new friend. if you don't like me, thats OK i won't lose sleep. if you don't like what me and others have to say about God, Christianity or anything pertaining to destiny/fate/lottery etc, i STILL won't lose sleep. but if you even remotely think that there is a slim possibility that you are able to keep us quiet (or politically correct in the new age sense of the word), that will never happen. many before you have tried and most likely several will before my vision in here is completed. until then, you are wasting your time. but feel free to try if you think that you are able. it's not my time that you are wasting.

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P.S., that RJoH is a stand up guy. thanks, vision

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Jul 13, 2005, 2:56 am

OK now the fire is lit how do you come of saying what one person beliefs are or arent. just because somone dosn't commune with your thought processes you think they don't have god in their heart.

i went to a few christian websites lookin for answers to

does god want us to play the lottery

god and the lottery

the lottery and god

Not in one instance did i find any information that said it was ok to play the lottery. Moreover i was instructed to read some verses pertaining to gods will and the one verse i read rang a bell the same bell i'v been ringing. Here it is

Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

You want to play the lottery it's your conscience you deal with it however i think like politics, religion don't belong in these threads I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just like you guys who profess gods word. over and over and over and over and over and over snap broken record.

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