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Posted: August 15, 2005, 10:36 am - IP Logged

Perhaps it's just me...perhaps it's just simple (and maybe delightfull) ignorance...but I will be happy running down to the local convience store, secure in the knowledge that, regardless of win or lose, my state benefits. This I do not see happening with any kind of online retailer.

At the risk of starting a debate for which I probably can not win. Were the Lotteries (any of the legimate state run systems) created for personal entertainment? As I understand it, each Lottery was created to aide the states in providing monetary funds needed without a direct citizen tax. Lotteries are nothing more then a voluntary tax system with possibility of a payback, at least that is what I believe.

Perhaps I look at the concept from a too basic of a view point. Yet, I consistantly hear (and read) about how bad everybody hates taxes. Sorry folks, a rock is still a rock, no matter what color you want it painted (anyone recall the pet rock craze in the 80's?). The Lottery is a TAX, plain and simple. The only beauty of it is that you can chose to pay it or not and you have a chance of getting what you pay back. Perhaps the good news is, you can see results when you play the Lottery. At least here in GA, I can see my daughter being helped by HOPE to go to College. Can you say the same with an online retailer?

As for lotteries in other states/countries. Heck, I can't win what's in my state, I seriously doubt the viability of beating the odds of any other system improving any over my current conditions. I don't discount the desire and wishes of those that seek oppurtunity via alternate means.

Again, this is yet another one of my personal and occasional not so humble opinions and you know, I have been wrong before.

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    Posted: August 15, 2005, 10:54 am - IP Logged

    The argument for giving money to schools does not hold water for a number of reasons.  Many states (California included) is supposed to give a percentage (I think 33%) of the amount wagered to schools.  Sounds great, but you read more and more about less money being allocated to schools in the budgets because "they are getting funds from the lottery".  Here where I live in California the schools have set up programs for people to give money to the schools so they can purchase needed supplies.  Mostly, teachers have had to do this out of their own pockets (they still do).

    If you are concerned about the schools getting money, then why not write a check?  Better yet, play lottery on line and donate a portion of your winnings to the schools.  If you spend $100 in your state on lottery tickets (pick 3 I'm talking about right now), the schools (statewide) get $33.33.  If you were to hit a straight, you would probably get paid $500.  If you bet $100 on line, the schools get nothing.  If you hit a straight, you will get $900.  Why not take that extra $400 and split it with the school of your choice?  Write them a check for $200.

     

     


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      Perhaps it's just me...perhaps it's just simple (and maybe delightfull) ignorance...but I will be happy running down to the local convience store, secure in the knowledge that, regardless of win or lose, my state benefits. This I do not see happening with any kind of online retailer.

      At the risk of starting a debate for which I probably can not win. Were the Lotteries (any of the legimate state run systems) created for personal entertainment? As I understand it, each Lottery was created to aide the states in providing monetary funds needed without a direct citizen tax. Lotteries are nothing more then a voluntary tax system with possibility of a payback, at least that is what I believe.

      Perhaps I look at the concept from a too basic of a view point. Yet, I consistantly hear (and read) about how bad everybody hates taxes. Sorry folks, a rock is still a rock, no matter what color you want it painted (anyone recall the pet rock craze in the 80's?). The Lottery is a TAX, plain and simple. The only beauty of it is that you can chose to pay it or not and you have a chance of getting what you pay back. Perhaps the good news is, you can see results when you play the Lottery. At least here in GA, I can see my daughter being helped by HOPE to go to College. Can you say the same with an online retailer?

      As for lotteries in other states/countries. Heck, I can't win what's in my state, I seriously doubt the viability of beating the odds of any other system improving any over my current conditions. I don't discount the desire and wishes of those that seek oppurtunity via alternate means.

      Again, this is yet another one of my personal and occasional not so humble opinions and you know, I have been wrong before.

      Sir Metro

      As far as the pick-3 and 4 goes, that off-shore place which I will not mention pays up to 80% more than the states do. That's atleast one good reason, not to mention a whole host of other benefits, like having access to a lady I know, who gives you numbers to play, and tells you what states are hot with those numbers. This way you can play multiple states gaining advantage over just playing one state.

       This lady's track record is frighteningly accurate. She even proves her record before spending the 47 dollars on the lifetime membership. I don't want to mention her name here because she uses her numbers in league with that un-nameable site. Don't want to cause any more friction than I have already done

      I'm hoping that the new company that Todd is bringing to the LP will also have those kind of higher than the states payout, in the pick-3 and 4. I would rather open an account with Todd's site than with the other one.

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        Posted: August 15, 2005, 11:42 am - IP Logged

        If you want the schools to get money, don't play the lottery at all, just send your money to your school of choice.

        On the other hand, if you want to make money, play online at where-ever you can win the most money or as Jack says, give the number's racket back to the gangsters, so we can make some money, because the "official crooks" are a lot worse and you really don't want to give your money to them, you want to know who you are dealing with straight forward without any lies and or cloaks of honesty, when they are the worst crooks of all.

        Lottery winnings should not be taxed since the lottery is already a tax on itself, that we already pay when we buy the tickets.

        The draws should not be conducted by the states but by a neutral non-interested party or parties.

        If a crook sells you a ticket, you don't want the same crook to run or do his own drawings, but use horse races or something else, as the most "honest" crooks do.

        If you wan the money to stay at "home" never buy any lottery tickets, make donations to whoever you want with your money.

        But if you buy lottery tickets, then you really don't give a damn about donations, you just want to win some money for yourself.

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          Posted: August 15, 2005, 11:52 am - IP Logged

          Perhaps it's just me...perhaps it's just simple (and maybe delightfull) ignorance...but I will be happy running down to the local convience store, secure in the knowledge that, regardless of win or lose, my state benefits. This I do not see happening with any kind of online retailer.

          At the risk of starting a debate for which I probably can not win. Were the Lotteries (any of the legimate state run systems) created for personal entertainment? As I understand it, each Lottery was created to aide the states in providing monetary funds needed without a direct citizen tax. Lotteries are nothing more then a voluntary tax system with possibility of a payback, at least that is what I believe.

          Perhaps I look at the concept from a too basic of a view point. Yet, I consistantly hear (and read) about how bad everybody hates taxes. Sorry folks, a rock is still a rock, no matter what color you want it painted (anyone recall the pet rock craze in the 80's?). The Lottery is a TAX, plain and simple. The only beauty of it is that you can chose to pay it or not and you have a chance of getting what you pay back. Perhaps the good news is, you can see results when you play the Lottery. At least here in GA, I can see my daughter being helped by HOPE to go to College. Can you say the same with an online retailer?

          As for lotteries in other states/countries. Heck, I can't win what's in my state, I seriously doubt the viability of beating the odds of any other system improving any over my current conditions. I don't discount the desire and wishes of those that seek oppurtunity via alternate means.

          Again, this is yet another one of my personal and occasional not so humble opinions and you know, I have been wrong before.

          Sir Metro

          If you want to put money into state budgets, use the service at the left side of the page, because then you're playing the real state lotteries, not some phantom game run by an offshore casino.

          As far as the post about "crooks", I don't view state lotteries as "crooks".  That's ridiculous.

           

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            Posted: August 15, 2005, 11:59 am - IP Logged

            Todd, which states get money from Powerball and Mega Millions bought by Prime Ticket Service?  I don't think California would be included since they apparently have their own Mega Millions pool (except for the Jackpot).

             

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              Perhaps it's just me...perhaps it's just simple (and maybe delightfull) ignorance...but I will be happy running down to the local convience store, secure in the knowledge that, regardless of win or lose, my state benefits. This I do not see happening with any kind of online retailer.

              At the risk of starting a debate for which I probably can not win. Were the Lotteries (any of the legimate state run systems) created for personal entertainment? As I understand it, each Lottery was created to aide the states in providing monetary funds needed without a direct citizen tax. Lotteries are nothing more then a voluntary tax system with possibility of a payback, at least that is what I believe.

              Perhaps I look at the concept from a too basic of a view point. Yet, I consistantly hear (and read) about how bad everybody hates taxes. Sorry folks, a rock is still a rock, no matter what color you want it painted (anyone recall the pet rock craze in the 80's?). The Lottery is a TAX, plain and simple. The only beauty of it is that you can chose to pay it or not and you have a chance of getting what you pay back. Perhaps the good news is, you can see results when you play the Lottery. At least here in GA, I can see my daughter being helped by HOPE to go to College. Can you say the same with an online retailer?

              As for lotteries in other states/countries. Heck, I can't win what's in my state, I seriously doubt the viability of beating the odds of any other system improving any over my current conditions. I don't discount the desire and wishes of those that seek oppurtunity via alternate means.

              Again, this is yet another one of my personal and occasional not so humble opinions and you know, I have been wrong before.

              Sir Metro

              If you want to put money into state budgets, use the service at the left side of the page, because then you're playing the real state lotteries, not some phantom game run by an offshore casino.

              As far as the post about "crooks", I don't view state lotteries as "crooks".  That's ridiculous.

              Todd,

               

              You wrote,

              "If you want to put money into state budgets, use the service at the left side of the page, because then you're playing the real state lotteries, not some phantom game run by an offshore casino.

              As far as the post about "crooks", I don't view state lotteries as "crooks".  That's ridiculous."

              For us idiots and newbies, can you please specify what you meant by "use the service at the left side of the page"?  I am curious as to what you are referencing in this statement.

              Thanks!

              Good Luck,

              John (A.K.A. ATOMIC DOG)

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                http://www.usamega.com/                    USA Mega

                He is offline so there it is for you.

                Good luck.

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                  Posted: August 15, 2005, 12:23 pm - IP Logged

                  Actually, USA Mega is my web site devoted to Mega Millions and Powerball information - not what I was talking about.

                  I am talking about the links that are under the heading "Click a Game to Play", and appear in the left navigation area of every page on Lottery Post.

                   

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                    John the site Todd was talking about is www.betslips.com.

                     

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                      I don't trust online gambling operations as a rule.

                      But I've also made it plain I also don't trust the US and State governments any further than they deserve.

                      I also don't trust Mega Millions, Powerball, and any other currently visible corporate entity to do what they claim they'll do, or give a particularly good bang for an astronomically high-risk buck.

                      So having said that, I find myself asking,

                      If some on-line gambling operation offers a lottery and enough bona fides to convince me they're, not honest, but as honest as the US Lottery consortium and the US/State governmental entities doing the two-headed animal dance with one another,

                      If they payoff wins with lump sums for the actual advertised jackpots

                      If they deposit the money where taxes can be paid by winners, as opposed to being confiscated before the payment is made,

                      Why in the world wouldn't I do my playing with them?

                      Jack

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                        A couple line of thoughts:

                        First, I never indicated or made claim that the monies from Lottery went entirely to schools. Obviously, I guess I was simply not clear in stating that the Lotteries were setup to "augment the States budget". How the monies were distributed was never the intended subject. The reference to HOPE in GA is factual observation of what financial assistance my daughter gets in combination with her good grades.

                        Second, Upon which state rules is the Megamillion played under via the online retailer? I know GA does not have a "Megaplier". I think Texas does. As for California, their payout is hugely lower then that of GA (around $215,00 in CA versus $250,000 in GA for 5 numbers). Sorry, I do not know about all the various states (kinda figure most of you out there already know the rules for each of the states).

                        Third, for those that seemingly take opposition to the concept that any monies go toward the schools via lotteries and how one should just "write a check" after an online winning. I say bologna! I do in fact take the extra effort with the local retailers that send a percentage of my purchase to a school of choice. I also go the extra effort with other programs such as UPromise which send a percentage of my purchases into an account for me, for which I will probably contribute to a school system at a later date and time (considering my daughter is almost done with college and the funds are not that much).

                        Fourth, for those who think the one's operating the local lottery system are crooks, well MOVE or petition your local Congress person to do something about it. Too many times, we (myself included), chose to set back and whimper and whine about how bad the system is. Perhaps I am wrong, but I do believe one person can make a difference. I also believe, that sometimes, that one person needs to be the one you see in a mirror.

                        Finally, I wish for all to understand. I don't oppose any online retailer. I appluade the efforts of any and all individuals that put forth their efforts and dedication to provide a service or product that meets the needs of many. My intent (however poorly presented) was to better understand why many people like the idea of playing Lotteries of other states via online methods. For those whom I must have  poked with that perverbial needle, chill....gee whiz folks. If I can get you worked up that easily with some of my silly thoughts, you must be a terror behind that steering wheel.

                        These are my opinions, right or wrong.

                        Sir Metro

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                          Fourth, for those who think the one's operating the local lottery system are crooks, well MOVE or petition your local Congress person to do something about it. Too many times, we (myself included), chose to set back and whimper and whine about how bad the system is. Perhaps I am wrong, but I do believe one person can make a difference. I also believe, that sometimes, that one person needs to be the one you see in a mirror

                          Try not to think of what I'm saying as whining and complaining, SM.  Try, instead, to think of it as observation, or constructive criticism.

                          I don't happen to believe one person can make a difference in the system.  So I'll continue to observe, and you feel free to label it any way you see fit.

                          Jack

                           

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                            Posted: August 15, 2005, 12:38 pm - IP Logged

                            From my view: Thanks for providing the links to on-line lottery.

                            Since I am not that interested in the Euro-Lottos it doesn't do much for me (with its current rates). I can get the MM, PB and NY with short drives. However, should they grow to states with large jackpots. I'll be very interested.

                            Again, thanks for the links.

                            Cheers

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                              From my view: Thanks for providing the links to on-line lottery.

                              Since I am not that interested in the Euro-Lottos it doesn't do much for me (with its current rates). I can get the MM, PB and NY with short drives. However, should they grow to states with large jackpots. I'll be very interested.

                              Again, thanks for the links.

                              Chewie,

                              The one thing you should consider about the Euromillions and UK Lotto is that they are all-cash jackpots - no tax - and they have excellent lower-tier prizes.

                              In particular, take a look at Euromillions when the jackpot gets big, because it's a tremendous deal.

                              Also, many people like UK Lotto because of great combination of excellent all-cash prizes, plus the odds of a 6/49 game.

                              Because of the all-cash prizes, plus no tax, you can think of a $50 Millions Euro Millions jackpot as being as Powerball jackpot of almost $200 million, because that's about what you would end up with.

                              Plus, with the Euro lotteries, and because you're playing "privately", if you win, you can keep that tax-free boatload of cash in another country, and only pay tax on what you bring into the country.

                              Maybe worth another look!

                               

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