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Posted: August 18, 2005, 1:17 pm - IP Logged

CD... You are so right about teachers spending money out of their own pockets...

To top that off.. Teachers have to hold annual fund rasiers to buy the copy paper, ink supplies to furnish students with practice papers...

We, (the school) has to earn our own money, with fundrasiers to buy anything the school needs... We earned the money to put in air conditioning in the gym... 

The state does cover some of the basics.. but it is up to the school to get to work to and find ways to buy our needs.. 

Telephone, lights, water, etc.. come from our fund raisers too...

That's fairly cool, actually.  Sounds as though things are are a lot more nearly as they should be than I'd have suspected, despite the lottery.

One of the things that's concerned me about all this lottery- for- education- stuff has been that I hate to see parents, localities, jurisdictions robbed of the responsibility for paying for the educations of their own chillerns and put it into the hands of strangers who have no reason to care whether those kids are educated, or aren't. 

You've restored a bit of my faith, tntea.

Jack

 

Jack,

  How much do these parents need to pay???  They, too , are tax paying citizens.  Looks to me that with their tax money, the school where their children goes will furnish air conditioning.. with the money made from their taxes.  Nope, they have to work overtime with fundraisers to see that their children are comfortable.  Why should they have to hold fundraisers to furnish copy supplies? 

 

  If Lottery is suppose to help out the schools, let's see it.  Let the teacher focus on teaching the students, and parents focus on that part of education, instead of maintaining the building..

 

    I am not asking for the state to take the parents responsibility away.  Even if every thing was paid for the state, it would be done so with taxing the parents. 

  So what we have here is.... Parents pay your taxes.. Parents send your children to school.  Parents rasie the money necessary to pay for the expense of running those schools..  Is that fair?  I don't have children in school.. I pay my taxes though.  My taxes help pay my salary..  Then I work over time with fundraisers so that I can help earn money to run the school so I can do my job.  Why? Because my tax money will not cover the running of the building itself..

 

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    Todd, that is one case and I know of a couple more also.......because they did not copy and paste their numbers into an excel or notepad on their computer..

    I have had only one case where I have had to "prove" my bet.....and I just called them and it was fixed immediately.

    The only rule is....."copy and paste everything"........

    I have to print my numbers.. For some reason this dang computer shuts down if I copy and paste from one site to another...   

     

    Going to have son to check in on this when he gets a chance... It is a waste of money and a hassle to look through all these papers to see my plays..

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      Posted: August 18, 2005, 1:20 pm - IP Logged

      Claiming you play the lottery to help the schools is like claiming you read Playboy for the articles.  Get real!

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        Posted: August 18, 2005, 1:23 pm - IP Logged

        The argument for giving money to schools does not hold water for a number of reasons.  Many states (California included) is supposed to give a percentage (I think 33%) of the amount wagered to schools.  Sounds great, but you read more and more about less money being allocated to schools in the budgets because "they are getting funds from the lottery".  Here where I live in California the schools have set up programs for people to give money to the schools so they can purchase needed supplies.  Mostly, teachers have had to do this out of their own pockets (they still do).

        If you are concerned about the schools getting money, then why not write a check?  Better yet, play lottery on line and donate a portion of your winnings to the schools.  If you spend $100 in your state on lottery tickets (pick 3 I'm talking about right now), the schools (statewide) get $33.33.  If you were to hit a straight, you would probably get paid $500.  If you bet $100 on line, the schools get nothing.  If you hit a straight, you will get $900.  Why not take that extra $400 and split it with the school of your choice?  Write them a check for $200.

         

         

        CD... You are so right about teachers spending money out of their own pockets...

         

        To top that off.. Teachers have to hold annual fund rasiers to buy the copy paper, ink supplies to furnish students with practice papers...

        We, (the school) has to earn our own money, with fundrasiers to buy anything the school needs... We earned the money to put in air conditioning in the gym... 

        The state does cover some of the basics.. but it is up to the school to get to work to and find ways to buy our needs.. 

        Telephone, lights, water, etc.. come from our fund raisers too...

         

         

        That's right, tntea.  And the budgets either stay the same or go down for schools because "they are getting money from the Lottery".  The money from the lottery was a selling point (at least here in California) because of the money going to schools.  But that money is offset by the reduced budgets!

        School is starting here in California next week.  My daughter said that all the parents were given papers with a list of supplies that they are asked to provide (box of pencils, glue, paper, etc.).  This is so that the teacher won't have to spend as much of his/her own money on those supplies as they did in the past.

        So, tell me ... how has the lottery helped the schools?  But you will continue to hear from people (not only on this web site) saying how they play the lottery to help the schools (or at least they play in their own state instead of online). 

        I  am not sure about other states... but in TN.. looks like the beginning focus to improve education, with lottery revenue will be for those who are attending college..

         

        Wish they would start with the bottom up....?

         

        We need parent programs.. We have a lot of uneducated parents in my county who could use some education themselves. This education can help the educational process....

         

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          Posted: August 18, 2005, 1:24 pm - IP Logged

          Claiming you play the lottery to help the schools is like claiming you read Playboy for the articles.  Get real!

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            Posted: August 18, 2005, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

            Todd, that is one case and I know of a couple more also.......because they did not copy and paste their numbers into an excel or notepad on their computer..

            I have had only one case where I have had to "prove" my bet.....and I just called them and it was fixed immediately.

            The only rule is....."copy and paste everything"........

            I have to print my numbers.. For some reason this dang computer shuts down if I copy and paste from one site to another...   

             

            Going to have son to check in on this when he gets a chance... It is a waste of money and a hassle to look through all these papers to see my plays..

            I see you are using IE6 and XP.  Same as I am using.  Just do a "review tickets".  When that is on your screen with the tickets numbers listed, on your browser go to "File", then "save as".  Give it a name and have it going to a directory you want.  I just put it in my "documents folder" and I name it with the name of the site and date (0818).  Then select "web page only (html)".  If you don't do that, it will also save all the links for the page in another file...no big deal, but not necessary.

             

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              CD... You are so right about teachers spending money out of their own pockets...

              To top that off.. Teachers have to hold annual fund rasiers to buy the copy paper, ink supplies to furnish students with practice papers...

              We, (the school) has to earn our own money, with fundrasiers to buy anything the school needs... We earned the money to put in air conditioning in the gym... 

              The state does cover some of the basics.. but it is up to the school to get to work to and find ways to buy our needs.. 

              Telephone, lights, water, etc.. come from our fund raisers too...

              That's fairly cool, actually.  Sounds as though things are are a lot more nearly as they should be than I'd have suspected, despite the lottery.

              One of the things that's concerned me about all this lottery- for- education- stuff has been that I hate to see parents, localities, jurisdictions robbed of the responsibility for paying for the educations of their own chillerns and put it into the hands of strangers who have no reason to care whether those kids are educated, or aren't. 

              You've restored a bit of my faith, tntea.

              Jack

               

              Jack,

                How much do these parents need to pay???  They, too , are tax paying citizens.  Looks to me that with their tax money, the school where their children goes will furnish air conditioning.. with the money made from their taxes.  Nope, they have to work overtime with fundraisers to see that their children are comfortable.  Why should they have to hold fundraisers to furnish copy supplies? 

               

                If Lottery is suppose to help out the schools, let's see it.  Let the teacher focus on teaching the students, and parents focus on that part of education, instead of maintaining the building..

               

                  I am not asking for the state to take the parents responsibility away.  Even if every thing was paid for the state, it would be done so with taxing the parents. 

                So what we have here is.... Parents pay your taxes.. Parents send your children to school.  Parents rasie the money necessary to pay for the expense of running those schools..  Is that fair?  I don't have children in school.. I pay my taxes though.  My taxes help pay my salary..  Then I work over time with fundraisers so that I can help earn money to run the school so I can do my job.  Why? Because my tax money will not cover the running of the building itself..

               

              I haven't noticed 'fair' being much of an issue in life. 

              But I'm glad I get to play a lottery online where there's no issue about education involved.

              Jack

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                The school issue depends on where you live.  In Miami Florida last year one child stabbed another child to death in a school bathroom, the parents sue the school board and the board gives them $1.7 million of our money rather then fight it. 

                I have heard stories of cruse ship casinos that don't let passengers leave with big winnings by one means or another.  Plenty of online casinos say you must have cheated if you win huge and they should know because some of those casinos must be able to manipulate those games like bait on a hook to suck you in.  I wouldn't recommend the casino at any online site including that site, but the lotto portion the numbers come from the state games and problems more often come from transposing my list wrong then anything they've done even though at the time I'm sure I couldn't have made such a mistake, but I did.  Never let an online account build to the point they would have a problem paying it.  BobP

                 

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                  Posted: August 18, 2005, 2:44 pm - IP Logged

                  I do know that this offshore site pays you at their whim and can disavow your win if they suspect you of cheating.  I also know from personal experience that the so-called on-line "help" is worthless.  If you want a straight answer, you need to call one of the more experienced operators.

                  You have to remember you are dealing with the citizens of a third-world country who probably don't know what they are doing and could care less.

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                  Ah yes, now we are getting closer here.

                  People who can read between the lines can start to pick up what is going on.

                  It is very interesting about the "cheating" angle, as I wonder how someone "cheats" at Pick 3.

                  And I also find it interesting that there are so many people who are willing to go to bat for a company that systematically does not tally the results correctly, always resulting in an error benefitting themselves.  Anyone have any errors in which they were incorrectly given a win?  Hello?

                  I have always tried to preach quality here, as exemplified by my search for a quality lotto service company to recommend.  That attitude of "not settling for crap" does not seem to be rubbing off.  There is too much focus on immediate gratification, IMHO.

                  The school debate is interesting.  Although nobody plays the lottery with the primary intention being to help the schools, I do think that some people may play more because it goes to a good cause.

                   

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                    Posted: August 18, 2005, 6:27 pm - IP Logged

                    it is more obvious to me, online casino's have no obligation to pay.

                    at least the states pay no matter the odds not being the same as those of online casinos.

                    the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot

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                      My goodness, from the seeds of what seems to be an innocent and simple inquiry sprouts all sort of twists and angles. I certainly didn't expect the political issues raised nor did I expect references to past history to arise. I do find all responses entertaining, a bit informative and occasionally niave. For each post I (actually) read and those I sorta browsed thru, I do still find the subject interesting.

                      I do hope all a great and prosperous year, no matter the choice of avenue you chose to play your money.

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                        Nobody can cheat at the lottery unless the numbers are chosen before the "draw" and the person doing the cheating has knowledge of the pre-chosen numbers, such person most work for the lottery or know somebody there.

                        But of course nobody will admit that such as that can be possible, in which case nobody can say or prove that anybody cheated.

                        I didn't say that that is not possible, only that nobody will admit that it is.

                        Another thing that the lotteries might never admit to is that it might be possible for somebody or somebodies to win on the pick 3 and or other lottery games "AT WILL" (so to speak) and not by any form of so called "cheating", but by skill.

                        And before anybody gets any ideas, I am not talking about myself, at least not yet.

                        Good luck.

                        Yes, anybody who would say that somebody cheated would be wrong, since it is impossible to prove that such a thing can be done, at least the lotteries would never admit to this.

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                          Well it might not be cheating it just might be human error that causes some problems. On more than one occasion i have noticed numbers posted wrong on lottery websites and that bad  information filtered down to other sites because the feed source reported the numbers to some data base and those numbers went out over the wire. Later on the website corrects the number and everything should be back to normal. Well in the case of the offshore people they are working with information that was reported falsely or in errors. So in one aspect they kind of have their hands tied do they pay out on both numbers the correct one and the false one.
                          I'v even seen numbers show up wrong on Todd's site because of this. And they were fixed later either by himself or new data that feeds his servers was corrected/restored.
                          So it pays to do like some suggest and copy your betted numbers to some file for use later if the number was reported falsely. 
                          As a side note i tried about 5 times to get a lottery feed to fix a number that went out over the wire falsely from Maryland. Someone in Maryland sent the wrong numbers out over the data feed. The last time i checked it was still wrong on the website that records numbers. But was fixed on Maryland website within 24 hrs. Because it happened on the weekend it didn't get fixed until they got to work on Monday and found  hundreds of email and phone messages from people wanting to know if they could collect on both numbers. The true number that was drawn and the false number that was posted on the website. As far as i know they only paid out on the number that was drawn and not the number that was reported false.
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                            In Maryland on 6/18/05 the number drawn was 592 they put 952 out on the wire.

                            go to alllotto number checker and type in 592 what do you get nothing for that date. Then type in 952 they still have it listed wrong for maryland for 6/18/05.

                            So anybody looking for the number they might like to know hit isn't going to be able to find the right info on that number. I beleive it was fixed on Todd's site as he is on top of things.

                            This simple error on that day probably caused a problem with any poster who might nave bet it on the off shore site. 6/18/05 was on a Saturday.

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                              Exactly four4me............the numbers reported are only as good as it's feed....and errors can be made as a result of it.....Todd said the errors are always in the favor of offshore people.....yes, they do but they correct them...but you need proof...and yes, I have heard of them giving wins to people but the next day taking them back with the corrected error.....if you don't copy and paste, there is no proof...it's like going to the lottery store, buying a ticket....on the way home, you lost it.....try and go down to the lottery store to collect your win (they also have it in their database that a ticket won that night)....they would laugh you out of the building....same theory.....copy and paste....those are like actual lottery tickets.  I am so fastidious now that I actually burn a copy of my tickets on a CD in case my computer goes down......believe it or not, I do have trust issues.....I trust my husband, my children, my mother, my sister and no one else....so I always cover my butt.

                              I talk to alot of people................and only one person said they won on a number that the offshore people didn't pay on..........I asked her if she copied and pasted the number....all she had to do was call..........she said she was in a hurry and she didn't do that.............told her to review tickets from the day before....she said it  her bet wasn't in there..........she called them and they said the bet wasn't made...............now of all the people I talk to who have probably made thousands of bets.........one time I heard that they didn't pay.........and if that person would have copied and pasted it, there would not have been a problem.......if she was in a hurry, I wonder if she just forget to put the bet in............

                              Now on payment...........I have never had a problem.  Hundreds of dollars have been won by me and paid promply.......on Mondays....between 10 am and 1 pm, they transfer the money for free if you request it during those hours....one fellow on here wins the Pick4 alot.......thousand of dollars.......they always pay......he gets it overnight fed exed from them.........now if he doesn't have a problem, why should they con anyone out of a couple hundred bucks?

                              By the way, the money won is in a separate lottery bank account where I get my Platinum membership from.  If I had to pay the 50 cents per bet.........who knows if I would have enough ration of win/loss to afford it......I would bet that 75 % or more of the people who have a Platinum membership bet online.....they play in other states......I might be wrong but I think I am right.

                              Todd, I know you and I disagree on this but unless I have more evidence of deceit and holding back payments of winnings, I really see nothing risky here....I transfer money on Mondays pretty regular so I don't leave alot in there....it goes into my Neteller account....then to my bank account....so my risk is actually pretty low...the only advice I can give anyone is to not keep a large amount of money in there just to cover your butt.  By the way, you never told me if the person you talked to had actual proof (winning ticket number) of a win......?

                              And I am done with this subject because I don't want to upset you anymore.  But I guess we can agree to disagree.  That is allowed....lol....and I still will give you one of these  .......Lovies

                              Sandy