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WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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Posted: December 22, 2005, 5:52 pm - IP Logged

   A great sculptor was once ask about where he got his inspiration for such wonderful and exquisitely delicate creations. How could he produce such gifts from plain blocks of marble ?

            The sculptor said ..... the beauty was already inside the marble blocks and always had been .......and all he did was chip away until the final shapes were reveled.   

I always liked that concept very much and I understood what the artist felt.

It isn't really true of course.... and yet ...it really is .

Its kinda like what we all are talking about here isn't it?  

 Imagination is awesome and very real .... but it is a hard thing to point to or talk about until the results are revealed.  

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    


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    That's a good one winD. I guess if I reverse engineer all I'll end up with is a block of stone.LOL

      WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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       Yeap...... LOL    Well.... there is always hope.

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    


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        Yeap....that's why I cut the corners of the stone. And now I'm a rolling stone.LOL

        The reason wendys restaurant was successful, was do to the fact that the owner didn't cut any corners. So there are many ways to look at psyche 101. LOL

          WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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              There are many ways....... Thats why there is 

            Hamburger University.   

          Holding the Pickle and lettuce is a kind of a filter ....huh?  LOL

           

           

          The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                        Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                        Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                 Win d    


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                There are many ways....... Thats why there is 

              Hamburger University.   

            Holding the Pickle and lettuce is a kind of a filter ....huh?  LOL

            Good one....ROFL


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               Yeap...... LOL    Well.... there is always hope.

              winD, all I can say is that the right side of my abdomen is still hurting from laughing so much. You're killing me here.......good schmidt.

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                Pac,

                If there was a program that could do that out on the net or market then someone would have it and have done it.

                I don't think a reverse engineering program is out there for pick 3 or pick 4.

                There might be a program out there that was designed to do reverse engineering but, I don't think it was ment for pick 3 or any lottery game.

                I have done a lot of searches on this and have not come up with anything as of yet.

                 

                Powerplayer

                pacattack05:

                Good question and a thought I BET$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                a million other's have asked....BUT, if you spent your Own money, to  produce

                a system, would you put it on the market (FOR SALE) for $25, $50, $100 or....

                give it away for free.............. ???????????????????????????????????????????

                Think, ALL would be advised to take powerplayer's reply as REAL, FACTS and

                Final, unless you want to spend  $100,000 on a program for  yourself!!!!!!!!!!

                LOL

                PSYKOMO 

                 

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                  psykomo wrote:
                  "if you spent your Own money, to  produce a system, would you put it on the market (FOR SALE) for $25, $50, $100 or....give it away for free.............. ??????????????"

                  My relay is:
                  "Why not? Others do it all the time.  Just check the internet for lottery systems for sale with a free demo."

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    computer draws are probably the best target for reverse engineering.

                    Since they are drawn "randomly", your best bet would be to tweak an RNG formula (controlling all the variables such as the Seed, the step(interval) and to track the numbers that give the best results.

                     

                    for ping-pong ball draws, it might be better to go over the history hunting for bias, I am seeing better backtest results so far going after announcer numbers than any filters so far... my goal has always been a one-pick straight-shooter that can survive back-testing against history... sometimes, like now with my current drawing-board system, the backtesting is harder to do than getting the actual pick...

                    Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.


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                      computer draws are probably the best target for reverse engineering.

                      Since they are drawn "randomly", your best bet would be to tweak an RNG formula (controlling all the variables such as the Seed, the step(interval) and to track the numbers that give the best results.

                       

                      for ping-pong ball draws, it might be better to go over the history hunting for bias, I am seeing better backtest results so far going after announcer numbers than any filters so far... my goal has always been a one-pick straight-shooter that can survive back-testing against history... sometimes, like now with my current drawing-board system, the backtesting is harder to do than getting the actual pick...

                      I don't see why we couldn't use the same method described in your first paragraph, as well for the ball drawings, considering chaos is chaos.

                      I am aware that there is a certain bias in the computer drawings because of the influence from the programmer and what seed, or any other parameters he or she chooses to use. However, I personally believe that in the long run, it all evens out in the scheme of things.

                      I like your first paragraph because it reminds me of a block of stone and the chipping away is the filters needed to take you to the path of a finished sculpture. If the wrong filters are used, then the desired outcome or sculpture would look quite different from the subject in mind.

                      That kind of programming would be a woozie.

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                        After reading the news story http://www.lotterypost.com/news/125196.htm about Kansas computer mesh up I have to agree with hypersonig.  If the lottery officials didn't recognize the computer lack of true randomness until it had picked 509 for three consecutive drawings then if an identifiable bias pattern was discovered then it likely it could be exploited for sometime before it would be corrected.

                        So far no one have come up with a way to identify a bias pattern in previous drawings. I tried replacing the numbers in each drawing with a letter that represents the previous drawing that it last came up such that A=one draw back ,C= three draws back, a=26 draws back and etc. The following is the results of looking at MegaMillions this way and I couldn't find any pattern so it's on to something else. As I mentioned in a previous post, it just may be that the numbers are so random that no pattern can be found.

                        File:MegaMillions:
                        12/20/05        ADJSU
                        12/16/05        BBCFe
                        12/13/05        BCFFF
                        12/09/05        DGHOZ
                        12/06/05        COPTl
                        12/02/05        DKMWb
                        11/29/05        CEGQa
                        11/25/05        CDEIK
                        11/22/05        CEUcf
                        11/18/05        CCEKR
                        11/15/05        DKKPR
                        11/11/05        BHLNP
                        11/08/05        BCCFI
                        11/04/05        BCGLW
                        11/01/05        ABCMw
                        10/28/05        BBDEO
                        10/25/05        BINST
                        10/21/05        DEEGu
                        10/18/05        DEINs
                        10/14/05        AFFVn
                        10/11/05        BCFKM
                        10/07/05        ACJNT
                        10/04/05        BDFTq
                         

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          Pac,

                          If there was a program that could do that out on the net or market then someone would have it and have done it.

                          I don't think a reverse engineering program is out there for pick 3 or pick 4.

                          There might be a program out there that was designed to do reverse engineering but, I don't think it was ment for pick 3 or any lottery game.

                          I have done a lot of searches on this and have not come up with anything as of yet.

                           

                          Powerplayer

                          pacattack05:

                          Good question and a thought I BET$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                          a million other's have asked....BUT, if you spent your Own money, to  produce

                          a system, would you put it on the market (FOR SALE) for $25, $50, $100 or....

                          give it away for free.............. ???????????????????????????????????????????

                          Think, ALL would be advised to take powerplayer's reply as REAL, FACTS and

                          Final, unless you want to spend  $100,000 on a program for  yourself!!!!!!!!!!

                          LOL

                          PSYKOMO 

                           

                          powerplayer:

                          THANKS............for your INputtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!

                          Would............."forward  engineering" work Bettterrrrrrrr??????????

                          Merry "what" and  Happy "when"...........to ALL and a Good $$$$$$

                          LOL

                          PSYKOMO 

                           


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                            I don't even want to think about patterns dealing in the millions. I have enough problems confronting a 1000 to 1.

                            Chaos is not only able to produce 509 three in a row. It is capable of producing it 17 times in a row. It just happens  not to be the time for it to show up. maybe in a thousand years from now. I believe that with any program, you will run into chaos, one way or another. You can make a program that will go opposite, 180 degrees from the lottery world's view of strategies to win, and I promise, you will run into chaos, good or bad, whether it be 3 in a row, 5, 6, or 7 odd or even in a row.

                            It's just like major meteor events. The big ones are far and few in between.

                            In the last 6 days Florida has had 6 consecutive days of numbers in the first position, 5 or higher. It's chaos at work. No conspiracy here.

                            RND- Random Number Displacement

                            Dr. Koycerin explains it better than I could ever do.

                            Certain events to look for when deviation of the norm occurs.

                            I've heard from a good source that there are some people who make a living, scouting casinos, and all they do is look for an RND to occur on a particular machine/machines.

                            When RND occurs, they have contingency plans, covering most outcomes and how to bet accordingly.

                            A good example and a simplified one would be if you have 3 to 5 wins in a row, then you do this. And if you only have this many in a row then you do that. Bet this way and that way, maximizing the profits. Recognizing when an RND is taking place, someone can truly benefit.

                            If you have 3 losses in a row, and up to five then bet against. You can take advantage both ways.

                            Basically what Koycerin is saying is that whenever you have heads 3, or 5 in a row, what happens is a tendency or drive on the part of chaos to even itself out so to speak, correct itself, or as stated RND. There is a favor towards change so to speak. Imagine 10 in a row of heads? What would be the logical choice for the 11th?

                            Please don't say 50/50!!!! I will have to have another Heineken if you do. LOL

                             

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                              I will being playing combinations that fit the following profile for tonight's drawing.     
                                    CCEEL
                                    AIMOP
                                    ABGGK
                                    CDMNO
                                    ADGIc
                                    ACFHJ
                                    AIJPc
                                    BGGNO
                                    ABDFM
                                    BGIQT
                                    BGJLT
                                    BEJNO
                                    CDGNR
                                    ABCEG
                                    ADKOQ
                                    AIJJa
                                    ABCMP
                                    CDHNR
                                    CEGLO
                                    FJKRc
                                    ABCHJ
                                    BIKMT
                                    BFFGO
                                    ADDPa
                                    CEFIN 

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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