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You guys will not believe what happened to me this evening! I have been studying the patterns for the Hoosier Lottery Pic 4 for the past couple of months and felt that Quad 8888's had a chance to win. So I stopped at the store on the way home from work to by my evening pic 4 using the number 8888. Amazingly, the machine would not give me a ticket with the quad 8888's. Instead, it spit out a ticket that said "This number has been cutoff". I was in disbelief! The time was approximately 6:14 pm (about 4 hours before the draw). I am amazed that the Hoosier Lottery would cut of sales of any number 4 hours before the draw, especially since they say sales are down. Well, I asked the cashier to run it through again, but no luck. Well, needless to say, wouldn't it be just grand if quad 8888's hit tonight. Time will tell. Anyways, I wanted to document this through Lottery Post. Any comments? 

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    Posted: January 8, 2006, 7:33 pm - IP Logged

    I think N.Y. state has the cutoff at 1000 tickets or up to 5 mil on a number.

    You will have to rename the Hoosier lottery to Loosier lottery.

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      Posted: January 8, 2006, 9:26 pm - IP Logged

      i've never heard of that.  they actually cut off the number of times a particular number can be chosen?  interesting.

       

      by the way, why still playing? you already know something is not quite right with the hoosier lottery.

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        i've never heard of that.  they actually cut off the number of times a particular number can be chosen?  interesting.

         

        by the way, why still playing? you already know something is not quite right with the hoosier lottery.

        Most states do that on the Pick 4.  Since they have fixed payouts, it could cost them a LOT of money if a quad should hit.  That's all a lot of people play or series numbers.

         

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          Posted: January 8, 2006, 11:48 pm - IP Logged

          i've never heard of that.  they actually cut off the number of times a particular number can be chosen?  interesting.

           

          by the way, why still playing? you already know something is not quite right with the hoosier lottery.

          They've been doing that ever since the Nick Perry incident in PA back in 1984.  The states do that as a liabaility so they will always be able to pay all its winners.

          Also, LosingJeff:

          Iesha makes a really good point.  If you think that the Hoosier Lottery is rigged, why are you still playing it?  If you know you won't win, why do you still keep putting your money into it?  Think about it.  Even if you only play $1 a day, that's $365/year you could put towards other things.  You could spend $1 and lose, or you could not put that dollar into the lottery, not win, and still have that dollar.

           

          I've redone my website.  Go to www.dr-ew.com.  I kept a lot of the old stuff, and I've added some new stuff.  Look for more new stuff in the coming weeks.

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            Posted: January 9, 2006, 6:32 am - IP Logged

            what happened in 1984 with nick perry???   he win too much?   curious

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              Posted: January 9, 2006, 9:18 am - IP Logged

              In 1984, Nick Perry and some of his friends bought a ton of Daily Number plays using only the numbers 4 and 6.  Nick Perry supposedly put lead paint in the balls that were not numbered 4 and 6.  When the drawing happened, 666 came up, resulting in an enormous payout, and accusations of fixing the drawing for Perry.  Ever since then lotteries have put a cap on how much can be bet on a number.

              I've redone my website.  Go to www.dr-ew.com.  I kept a lot of the old stuff, and I've added some new stuff.  Look for more new stuff in the coming weeks.

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                In order to fully appreciate LosingJeff's story, it's important to remember that Indiana has no mandated liability limits for any of their online games. To my knowledge, every other state lottery has them.

                Instead, the Hoosier Lottery prefers to actively track player selections as they're being sold, so they can cut off a number any time their sales for that number approach $600.00 on any given day. This fixes the upper limit of their payouts for the Pick-3 at no more than $300k. They call this "Fiscal Responsibility," as it ensures that they'll never "have to pay out more than they took in."

                Before anyone comes back with the tired argument that all states track the numbers, let me remind you that all states didn't download their RNG from a public site on the internet, as the Hoosier Lottery did, and also that all states don't operate behind a curtain of total secrecy, as the Hoosier Lottery does. 

                It is mathematically impossible to obtain payouts as consistently low as those enjoyed by the Hoosier Lottery without actively engineering them. It's a mathematical phenomenon that the Hoosier Lotto 6/48 game would reach a level of $28M on two separate occasions, since it doesn't roll over until the third draw with no winner, and the rollovers are limited to $500k, regardless of ticket sales. As I write this, the current jackpot level of the Hoosier Lotto is $25M, so it appears that LosingJeff's prediction of yet another impossible $28M jackpot will come to pass. It takes 57 consecutive drawings without a winner to reach this level.

                They constantly whine that nobody's buying tickets, and they claim that's the reason for their low payouts, but then they boast of record sales in their annual reports. When they award grants to civic organizations, such as the Mentone Lions Club, they make grand announcements in the press so that we'll know how civic-minded and generous they are. Unfortunately, they don't bother to publish the fact that they didn't actually send the check. Consequently, this hampers the fund-raising efforts of these organizations, as people tend to give much less when they read that the entity has just received fifty thousand dollars or more. 

                So quad 8's didn't hit last night. My guess is that the Hoosier Lottery noticed the same pattern LosingJeff saw when they learned that people were buying tickets for that number. I would also surmise that their sales for that number exceeded $600 before they noticed it. Of course, it could be that quad 8's just didn't come up, and everyone who bought a ticket on that number simply guessed wrong. I'd be more willing to accept that if I didn't have the evidence I have.

                The secrecy issues, the algorhithm they call an RNG, which Jack Ross admitted was altered by Hoosier Lottery programmers after certification by Gaming Labs, their constant refusal to release public information and specific sales data, their consistent and appallingly low payouts, the hudreds of millions of dollars that simply vanish into thin air each year, and everything else LosingJeff and I have uncovered about this crooked agency and their apparent protector, the statehouse, tends to make me more than a little suspicious. They don't even post their winning numbers or payouts until several (many) hours after the draw. The midday drawing usually posts around 9pm, and the evening draw comes out at three or four in the morning.

                Finally, I'd like to point out that LosingJeff DID stop playing Hoosier Lottery games. Last night was a fluke; a meager attempt to exploit their crooked system and get some of his money back. To his credit, he only spent a dollar, or would have, if the terminal had printed his ticket. Had quad eights hit last night, regardless of whether LosingJeff bought his ticket, it would have strengthened our evidence against them.

                The Hoosier Lottery is Indiana's Area 51 and Bermuda Triangle rolled into one secret and mysterious agency which, apparently, is being run by Harry Potter and his friends.

                Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                Jim

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                  Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                  LMAO!!  Are you thinking what I'm thinking Pinky?

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                    In order to fully appreciate LosingJeff's story, it's important to remember that Indiana has no mandated liability limits for any of their online games. To my knowledge, every other state lottery has them.

                    Instead, the Hoosier Lottery prefers to actively track player selections as they're being sold, so they can cut off a number any time their sales for that number approach $600.00 on any given day. This fixes the upper limit of their payouts for the Pick-3 at no more than $300k. They call this "Fiscal Responsibility," as it ensures that they'll never "have to pay out more than they took in."

                    Before anyone comes back with the tired argument that all states track the numbers, let me remind you that all states didn't download their RNG from a public site on the internet, as the Hoosier Lottery did, and also that all states don't operate behind a curtain of total secrecy, as the Hoosier Lottery does. 

                    It is mathematically impossible to obtain payouts as consistently low as those enjoyed by the Hoosier Lottery without actively engineering them. It's a mathematical phenomenon that the Hoosier Lotto 6/48 game would reach a level of $28M on two separate occasions, since it doesn't roll over until the third draw with no winner, and the rollovers are limited to $500k, regardless of ticket sales. As I write this, the current jackpot level of the Hoosier Lotto is $25M, so it appears that LosingJeff's prediction of yet another impossible $28M jackpot will come to pass. It takes 57 consecutive drawings without a winner to reach this level.

                    They constantly whine that nobody's buying tickets, and they claim that's the reason for their low payouts, but then they boast of record sales in their annual reports. When they award grants to civic organizations, such as the Mentone Lions Club, they make grand announcements in the press so that we'll know how civic-minded and generous they are. Unfortunately, they don't bother to publish the fact that they didn't actually send the check. Consequently, this hampers the fund-raising efforts of these organizations, as people tend to give much less when they read that the entity has just received fifty thousand dollars or more. 

                    So quad 8's didn't hit last night. My guess is that the Hoosier Lottery noticed the same pattern LosingJeff saw when they learned that people were buying tickets for that number. I would also surmise that their sales for that number exceeded $600 before they noticed it. Of course, it could be that quad 8's just didn't come up, and everyone who bought a ticket on that number simply guessed wrong. I'd be more willing to accept that if I didn't have the evidence I have.

                    The secrecy issues, the algorhithm they call an RNG, which Jack Ross admitted was altered by Hoosier Lottery programmers after certification by Gaming Labs, their constant refusal to release public information and specific sales data, their consistent and appallingly low payouts, the hudreds of millions of dollars that simply vanish into thin air each year, and everything else LosingJeff and I have uncovered about this crooked agency and their apparent protector, the statehouse, tends to make me more than a little suspicious. They don't even post their winning numbers or payouts until several (many) hours after the draw. The midday drawing usually posts around 9pm, and the evening draw comes out at three or four in the morning.

                    Finally, I'd like to point out that LosingJeff DID stop playing Hoosier Lottery games. Last night was a fluke; a meager attempt to exploit their crooked system and get some of his money back. To his credit, he only spent a dollar, or would have, if the terminal had printed his ticket. Had quad eights hit last night, regardless of whether LosingJeff bought his ticket, it would have strengthened our evidence against them.

                    The Hoosier Lottery is Indiana's Area 51 and Bermuda Triangle rolled into one secret and mysterious agency which, apparently, is being run by Harry Potter and his friends.

                    The man that wrote this is one of the finest Americans and friend I know! Believe you me, he knows what he is talking about. Semper Fi Saylor!

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                      I spoke to a Hoosier Lottery rep today who doesn't believe that 8888 was blocked.  I asked and was told that this rep had no knowledge of any numbers being blocked and then that same rep stated they didn't believe it happened.

                      Of course this same rep had no knowledge that the Hoosier Lotto jackpot annuity was changed from 25 to 30 years.  Nor did this rep have any knowledge that the cash value of the Hoosier Lotto had been changed as well.  And according to this rep nobody at the Hoosier Lottery is aware that both the annuity and the cash value have been changed.  I had to pull up the Hoosier Lottery web site at work in order to prove to the rep that it had been changed. 

                      And while I did finally receive some information from the Executive Director in the mail (which I will write about as time permits) she chose not to answer any of my questions regarding the changes in the Lotto game.   

                      Presumably, someone at the Hoosier Lottery changed the game, but nobody at the Hoosier Lottery...not even Hoosier Lottery Reps...know that it's been changed! And nobody at the Hoosier Lottery...not even the Executive Director...can or will answer any questions about the changes!  Can you believe this nonsense? 

                      Mis-information...dis-information and no information.  This is what you get from the Hoosier Lottery.   

                      Reps with no credibility.  An executive Director with no credibility.  This entire agency has zero...that's ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-RO...credibility!

                      Jim 


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                        I don't know about you guys but, if you have the evidence you state and can prove it I would be sueing the **%^% out of Indiana.

                        Get a laywer. If you information is correct then you can win a lawsuit and make up for all your loses.

                        Also I think I'm going to call them and see what I can find out also.  CT has a block on triples and quads also. Everystate does if I figure right. It is a liability act that was done to protect the state lotteries.

                        No information on the site or people working there and not knowing something well guess what I have called the CT lottery before and they didn't know very much either on my question. I also emailed them serveral times with no replies. This doesn't mean the anything is going on.

                         I know not everyone knows what is going on in there job some people just do there job and don't get into the politics of it.

                        If someone lied and said they rigged the lottery in Indiana & then admitted to it.... then it would be shut down!!! No if's or no but's!!

                        So I don't believe that. I know we have a corrupted goverment and that has been the way it has always been. doesn't matter who's in office...politics are politics.

                        Play online.... You get more money and you spend less.

                        You guys live in Indiana and you have this evidence. I would be down at the lottery office demanding a answer.

                        So either complain about it or do something about it...it won't work by just complaining HINT HINT

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                          Let me be absoultely clear about this.  I have no factual evidence that the Hoosier Lottery is rigged.  But I do have a lot of unanswered questions and this much I do know: 

                          Fact: The Hoosier Lotto annuity jackpot has been changed from 25 to 30 years.

                          Fact: The Hoosier Lotto cash value jackpot has been changed from the actual amount of cash accumulated in the prize pool to 40% of the advertised annuity value.

                          Fact: I sent an e-mail asking the Executive Director why these changes were made.

                          Fact: I asked a Hoosier Lottery Rep why these changes were made.

                          Fact: I received no answers from the Executive Director or the Rep.  (The Executive Director responded to my e-mail but chose not to answer my questions [about the changes to the game] and the rep claimed ignorance.)

                          Question:  Sue them for what? 

                          Jim


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                            Let me be absoultely clear about this.  I have no factual evidence that the Hoosier Lottery is rigged.  But I do have a lot of unanswered questions and this much I do know: 

                            Fact: The Hoosier Lotto annuity jackpot has been changed from 25 to 30 years.

                            Fact: The Hoosier Lotto cash value jackpot has been changed from the actual amount of cash accumulated in the prize pool to 40% of the advertised annuity value.

                            Fact: I sent an e-mail asking the Executive Director why these changes were made.

                            Fact: I asked a Hoosier Lottery Rep why these changes were made.

                            Fact: I received no answers from the Executive Director or the Rep.  (The Executive Director responded to my e-mail but chose not to answer my questions [about the changes to the game] and the rep claimed ignorance.)

                            Question:  Sue them for what? 

                            Jim

                             

                             Question:  Sue them for what? 

                             

                            The secrecy issues, the algorhithm they call an RNG, which Jack Ross admitted was altered by Hoosier Lottery programmers after certification by Gaming Labs, their constant refusal to release public information and specific sales data, their consistent and appallingly low payouts, the hudreds of millions of dollars that simply vanish into thin air each year, and everything else LosingJeff and I have uncovered about this crooked agency and their apparent protector, the statehouse, tends to make me more than a little suspicious. They don't even post their winning numbers or payouts until several (many) hours after the draw. The midday drawing usually posts around 9pm, and the evening draw comes out at three or four in the morning.

                            If the part I highlighted in RED is true then ...that's how.

                            WHO IS JACK ROSS???

                            PP

                            Good luck to everyone!!!

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                              Jack Ross was a former Executive Director of the Hoosier Lottery.  Esther Schneider is the current Executive Director.

                              I've never spoken to or corresponded with Mr. Ross in any way.  I've sent 3 mails to Ms Schneider.  She responded to 2 of them...claimed she didn't get one of them and mailed me a packet of information.

                              The other Jim and Jeff can address what they have uncovered.

                              Jim 


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