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Posted: March 11, 2006, 7:19 pm - IP Logged

This ain't nice anymore... 

Did anyone write anything about bashing some system?

I guess right now it's bashing some person.

I wonder which is worse...

Actually, he did attack tntea personally, calling her all kinds of names.  He did not just bash vtracs, he was very insulting to tntea.,  You should re-read it, it's really weird.  The really strange thing is that he just posted the message out of the blue.  I guess he was felling kind of angry and decided to come to Lottery Post and take it out on tntea.

I know.

The time i posted that post was pretty onfortunate, coming just after tntea's post.
It was meant in general.

I have no problems with "systems" being "under fire", but that changes when actually the persons involved get "attacked".
We are all just people behind our monitors.
I doubt if anyone on the forum actually knows each other, so i truly wonder where all that personal stuff is coming from. (stupid, ill, idiot, disabled, paranoid, asocial, ...) I don't see the humor in it and actually think it is kinda low to do so.

Actually, Bob790's and tntea's post about the "asocial" part got me thinking.
I wonder how many of us, that are spending hours and hours a day trying to beat randomness, are asocial. Does anyone of "us" go out on a saturday night (or any other night) and talk to other people on how "GA is rigged", "vtrac v123 is missing for n-draws", "PA is a mirror state of WA", "have you hit some gem$ this week?", ... and so on?

Does anyone?

I would think that the other persons in the room/restaurant/... name it, would look like they've just met a lunatic.

Anyway, when can you (generally speaking) say ABC is a system?
To me, a system can be called a system when the number for the next day can be predicted and make a profit out of it.
Even if that means that, for example, 100 numbers are created by this system each day, and there is a guarantee that the hit will come, on any of the days from 1 to 8.
If a hit on day 9 then there's no profit. (if the hit would always come before day 10 then it's a system also, but it needs refining b/c there's no gain/no loss)

Perhaps this "system" exists already, but i have not read anything about it anywhere. Not here and not somewhere else.

If this Then that

that's a system.

A system is also clear, or at least can be made clear to anyone for usage.
Guidelines can be created, but they have to make sense and are to be clear to anyone in that way that is works for anyone who uses it. (if you create a stored procedure on Server A, Todd, then backup your database and restore it on another SQL-server, Server B, i assume you would really like that it produces the same data on both servers when you feed it the same data. No?)

Otherwise it is not a system. ("systematic")

 

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    Posted: March 11, 2006, 7:22 pm - IP Logged

    in my opinion -  you as webmaster having gotten involved in this - keeps it going as much as anything else.

    Yes, Emily, anyone who wrote anything contributes to it going on.

    You contribute just as much by writing that.

    I'm not going to allow:

    1. People to bash on members like tntea who are trying to help others, and,
    2. People to bash me for standing up for tntea and other people who just want to discuss their systems.

    Eventually what always happens if these bashing people can't calm down and be quiet is that they get so out of control that I have to cutoff their account to keep the peace.

    I'm certainly not going to allow someone to steamroll me on my own website.

     

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      Posted: March 11, 2006, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

      paurths,

      You raise some very interesting points.  Thanks for the interesting commentary....

       

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        Posted: March 11, 2006, 7:46 pm - IP Logged

        The full moon approaches

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          Posted: March 11, 2006, 8:02 pm - IP Logged

          paurths,

          I posted this in another thread...

          System

          All systems should be in 2 parts.  The selection portion.  A way to predict lottery numbers with mechanical clearly defined rules.  No subjective decisions.  Then no matter who applies the system they will come up with the identical picks as anyone else using that system.

          The wagering portion.  It should lay out how the numbers should be played (straight/boxed/wheeled, etc)  and for how long and where.

           

          Methodology

          An orderly way of predicting the lottery numbers but with subjective input.  That means there might be some choices to make and you could make different ones than someone else.  In addition it should also state how to play the numbers, how long and where.

           

          Workout - a test for a reasonable time period showing whether the system/methodology produces a profit or loss.  I would suggest only posting a system that does show a profit!   This could be taking 30 days and showing the system at work.  Applying all the rules only on paper.  Doesn't mean it will continue to produce at the same rate as the workout in the future.  But it allows someone to make a choice as to whether they want to devote time to that system.

          Good system - each person would have to decide if a system or methodology is good for them.  It doesn't mean the system/methodology is going to produce a profit.  It means, does it fit that person's personality and wagering methods.  As an example, if a system calls for betting 40 numbers, that might be too much output for some and just right for others. 

          I may have missed some details but I think that covers it.

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            Posted: March 11, 2006, 8:16 pm - IP Logged

            paurths,

            I posted this in another thread...

            System

            All systems should be in 2 parts.  The selection portion.  A way to predict lottery numbers with mechanical clearly defined rules.  No subjective decisions.  Then no matter who applies the system they will come up with the identical picks as anyone else using that system.

            The wagering portion.  It should lay out how the numbers should be played (straight/boxed/wheeled, etc)  and for how long and where.

             

            Methodology

            An orderly way of predicting the lottery numbers but with subjective input.  That means there might be some choices to make and you could make different ones than someone else.  In addition it should also state how to play the numbers, how long and where.

             

            Workout - a test for a reasonable time period showing whether the system/methodology produces a profit or loss.  I would suggest only posting a system that does show a profit!   This could be taking 30 days and showing the system at work.  Applying all the rules only on paper.  Doesn't mean it will continue to produce at the same rate as the workout in the future.  But it allows someone to make a choice as to whether they want to devote time to that system.

            Good system - each person would have to decide if a system or methodology is good for them.  It doesn't mean the system/methodology is going to produce a profit.  It means, does it fit that person's personality and wagering methods.  As an example, if a system calls for betting 40 numbers, that might be too much output for some and just right for others. 

            I may have missed some details but I think that covers it.

            Thanx truecritic,

            it is definitly more in detail as to what i posted, but it is pretty much what i meant.

            Got a comment on the "Good system"-part, you wrote "each person would have to decide if a system or methodology is good for them".
            A system is good or it is not.
            A system that produces a profit can be used by anyone, (a person can still decide not to use it ofcourse) and is good for them by definition.
            If a system would produce $5 for each $4 put into it, me personally i would spend everything i have on it.
            Within days i would relocate to a sunny place on this planet.
            If this would be vtracs, mirrors, totals, 123-methods, .... anything, i couldn't care less. I would use it to its maximum, just like anybody else.

            Yet, we all remain here, posting and trying to find that system.

            A system can be tested, by anyone. A system must pass several test. A system can be measured.
            A system produces the same result whether it is used by someone in the USA, someone in Europe or someone on the North Pole (when it is fed the same data ofcourse!)

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              Posted: March 11, 2006, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

              >Within days i would relocate to a sunny place on this planet.

              Smile

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                Posted: March 11, 2006, 10:09 pm - IP Logged

                When I retired on January 1 I began going to Waffle House every afternoon at 2 pm.  While there, quietly sipping my coffee, I pondered on the lottery and  the numbers.  I was looking for patterns.

                When my "friends" came in and asked what I was doing, I foolishly told them.  They might stop laughing now that Spring is almost here but I doubt it.

                I went searching the Internet for people like me (not finding any at Waffle House).  I stumbled upon LottoeryPost.  I read the threads; I loved what I read and I joined.  I NEED contact wth like minded people; people who think there does exist a pattern inside the lottory which, when discovered, will make winning a jackpot (someday?) a guaranteed experience.  I did not read a single negative comment before joining. 

                So now I am here.  I hope to someday begin predicting.  I hope someday to begin making suggestions/comments about developing a "system".    After reading the bashing that has gone on in this thread, I must say I am having second thoughts about posting a word.  Why should I (or anyone else) go out on a limb and make a prediction?  Why should I post what I think is a significant pattern to the 5/39 game? 

                If the responses are going to be negative, why expose myself to that?  I can find that at Waffle House.  i DID FIND THAT AT WAFFLE HOUSE!

                Until the day arrives when a person steps out of the mist to declare they have found the Holy Grail of lottory predictions, we should strive to remain positive, helpful, and forward thinking.  Heck, if it weren't for the people trying to turn lead into gold, there would be no universities today.  Even Iaasc Newton was an alchemist and he was one smart cookie. 

                So, if you find something you don't like posted, please do me and hopefully a few others the courtesy of keeping your thoughts to yourself.

                Thanks

                 

                 

                 

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                  Monsieur GASMETERGUY

                  Very well said!

                  Some of us try to be more or less polite or nice, but Ion always goes out of his way to be very very nasty, extremely nasty, it is very repugnant. He will always go as low as he can. He has no respect for anybody.

                  TNTEA is a very nice and helpfull person, or at least so far she has been so.

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                    When I retired on January 1 I began going to Waffle House every afternoon at 2 pm.  While there, quietly sipping my coffee, I pondered on the lottery and  the numbers.  I was looking for patterns.

                    When my "friends" came in and asked what I was doing, I foolishly told them.  They might stop laughing now that Spring is almost here but I doubt it.

                    I went searching the Internet for people like me (not finding any at Waffle House).  I stumbled upon LottoeryPost.  I read the threads; I loved what I read and I joined.  I NEED contact wth like minded people; people who think there does exist a pattern inside the lottory which, when discovered, will make winning a jackpot (someday?) a guaranteed experience.  I did not read a single negative comment before joining. 

                    So now I am here.  I hope to someday begin predicting.  I hope someday to begin making suggestions/comments about developing a "system".    After reading the bashing that has gone on in this thread, I must say I am having second thoughts about posting a word.  Why should I (or anyone else) go out on a limb and make a prediction?  Why should I post what I think is a significant pattern to the 5/39 game? 

                    If the responses are going to be negative, why expose myself to that?  I can find that at Waffle House.  i DID FIND THAT AT WAFFLE HOUSE!

                    Until the day arrives when a person steps out of the mist to declare they have found the Holy Grail of lottory predictions, we should strive to remain positive, helpful, and forward thinking.  Heck, if it weren't for the people trying to turn lead into gold, there would be no universities today.  Even Iaasc Newton was an alchemist and he was one smart cookie. 

                    So, if you find something you don't like posted, please do me and hopefully a few others the courtesy of keeping your thoughts to yourself.

                    Thanks

                     

                     

                     

                    As Lantern mention.. Well put..

                    I ran to a few who thought I was nut with the numbers.

                    Now the customers come in and when they see me working, they wait until I am at Lotto station to ask what I have been seeing.. Of course this is different than the Waffle House.. These people are lotto players..lol

                    I dont mention it much at school...lol

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                      When I retired on January 1 I began going to Waffle House every afternoon at 2 pm.  While there, quietly sipping my coffee, I pondered on the lottery and  the numbers.  I was looking for patterns.

                      When my "friends" came in and asked what I was doing, I foolishly told them.  They might stop laughing now that Spring is almost here but I doubt it.

                      I went searching the Internet for people like me (not finding any at Waffle House).  I stumbled upon LottoeryPost.  I read the threads; I loved what I read and I joined.  I NEED contact wth like minded people; people who think there does exist a pattern inside the lottory which, when discovered, will make winning a jackpot (someday?) a guaranteed experience.  I did not read a single negative comment before joining. 

                      So now I am here.  I hope to someday begin predicting.  I hope someday to begin making suggestions/comments about developing a "system".    After reading the bashing that has gone on in this thread, I must say I am having second thoughts about posting a word.  Why should I (or anyone else) go out on a limb and make a prediction?  Why should I post what I think is a significant pattern to the 5/39 game? 

                      If the responses are going to be negative, why expose myself to that?  I can find that at Waffle House.  i DID FIND THAT AT WAFFLE HOUSE!

                      Until the day arrives when a person steps out of the mist to declare they have found the Holy Grail of lottory predictions, we should strive to remain positive, helpful, and forward thinking.  Heck, if it weren't for the people trying to turn lead into gold, there would be no universities today.  Even Iaasc Newton was an alchemist and he was one smart cookie. 

                      So, if you find something you don't like posted, please do me and hopefully a few others the courtesy of keeping your thoughts to yourself.

                      Thanks

                       

                       

                       

                      Please don't feel restrained, wondering if you have to walk on eggshells. Common sense, gut feeling, and not worrying on how the majority feels, creates an attitude necessary to be able to have  unique, and very creative ideas, putting them forth for everyone to eventually respond with . The people that you propose the idea to will have the opportunity to challenge, or support. What a great idea huh?

                      A little ooomf in the mix, always helps. LOL

                      Their bark is worst than their bite....Most mean well.


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                        I guess Ion is so completely full of himself that he thinks he should not have to live by the same rules everyone else does.

                        Since he continues to post links at the bottom of his messages, I'll just delete every message he posts that inlcudes his stupid free advertising at the end.

                        Everyone should know that the only reason someone does that is because their web site does not generate any traffic.  It's a cheap ploy to to try to get noticed by search engines.  He is clearly demonstrating that his web site does not get noticed.

                        I think this guy thinks he's God's gift to lottery players or something.  His arrogance is jaw-dropping.

                        AMEN!!!

                        Ion is negatively charged.

                         

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                          here are some numbers after rearranging the vtrac formula. I used Mass front 3 to work with. Will have to watch for awhile to see if it has any merit.

                          270-179-279-790-199-879-329-370-629-670.

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                            Wow, Ion used a quote from little old me... that's kind of like an entry level programmer being quoted by Bill Gates. Cool

                            In the big picture tho, my post was me playing devil's advocate because you can't develop systems with blind faith... someone has to ask the tough questions.

                            I went on and developed and shared a v-trac work sheet after that post. I also stayed along with the classes until the mirror states came into play. I can't swallow that concept, but I didn't bash Tea for putting it out there. every system has highs and lows, I have developed a few that seemed great on the surface but were shown to be useless once the errors in spreadsheet formulae were corrected. Nobody bashed me on that one or any of the others. Maybe it's because I'm just dumb enough to be sociable Jester

                            At this point, nobody has "broken the code"... so Ion's complex software and systems are really no better or worse than Goose's "Bad Math, Bad Mouth" attempts.

                            I never attempted to discourage anyone from trying the v-trac system with the quoted comment... the only time I would suggest someone NOT try something is if there is a pricetag... because NO system works.

                            Tea, sorry he used my words to launch what amounts to a personal attack.

                            Ion, you and tea are in the same boat... both try to explain theories on lottery and both do it for free... what's the problem? that's a GOOD thing.

                            Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                              hypersoniq,

                              That was a wonderful post.  It should be bookmarked.

                               

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