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# Somebody crack the champagne

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The Carolinas - Charlotte
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 Posted: April 4, 2006, 9:20 am - IP Logged

The sum 11-20 definite

winner within 7 days

However if one of the 3 missing digits from the previous 5 draws

doubles I could still capture

the sum group 11-20.Example

if the 7 decides to drop,

it drops and doubles.. 77

770-771-773-774-775-776

still within 11-20 bracket.

BA

Do you think we should include the 771 & 773 since they are considered pures? That would drop our combinations down, therefore bringing our profits up.

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FYI:

75 random combinations

p=95% of a str hit in 38 draws
p=99% of a str hit in 59 draws
p=99.9% of a str hit in 89 draws

I didn't check the box probability but if you divide the straight by 10 on each, you'll get a good estimate of how many draws that way. So for p=95% for a box hit, it would be close to 3.8 draws.

Checked BA's 78 combos in his original post in the Western Canada Pick3
Playing all 78 combinations in every draw for the past 100 draws gave these results:

29 box winners
plus
10 straight winners

Median skip box = 2
Median skip str = 8

Playing straight using betslips pay structure it comes out ahead: 10*900=9000 vs an outlay of 7800.
Playing box only is not worth it.

I created a 3 draw progression that could be used for box betting. Any more than 3 draws and the progression just gets way too big and unaffordable. I would not recommend using a progression however.   Unless you can afford to spend up to 10K to win 100 then the progression for such a beast is unweildly.

78 combination progression(78 combination is similar)

Draw     Stake     Profit     Outlay
1     1     82     78
2     2     86     234
3     4     94     546

Anyway, just thought you guys might be interested.

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 12:44 am - IP Logged

Thanks Xavier

You are welcome to sample

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 10:14 am - IP Logged

Thank you xavier

I think that BA's original list based on Clipper's was 68 numbers instead of 78. Could you run those statistics as well?

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 11:39 am - IP Logged

cps10:  I saw only two lists.  Clipper's original which actually has 78 combinations and BA's updated list with 73.  Unless I lost all basic addition skills I believe those are the correct numbers.

Thinking a bit more on the progression and box bet with the 78 combinations.

It actually would be workable to use the progression after 6 no hits, then play the progression for up to the next 3 draws.  So from 7-10 draws.  You won't be getting lots of opportunities to play but statistically speaking you will win 99.999% of the time since the skip has a probability of 99.999% chance to go over 10 draws, which is essentially a very, very extremely rare event.  I haven'y checked out the skips for longer than 100 draws.  I'll check that later of maybe paurths can check it out if he gets a chance before I do.  However, in the 100 draws I did check, the skip did not go over 8 which is in line with the probability.  If you played the progression on the 78 combos, I would have hit 3 times for a 300 unit profit, and no losses.  So, tentatively I can endorse this action if someone wants to try it.  I would assume over thousands of draws, that it would maybe occur only once or twice that the skip went over 10 if it does at all.  And if you average 3-4/hundred, you will be way ahead of the losses with minimal risk.

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Using sums is a very effective way to win in the pick3. The most common group of sums are the 12-15 group. To arrive at a sum just add all three digits together. If you take away doubles you have  only 10 numbers to work in each of these 4 groups. In the month of Jan. for NY there were 16 hits from the 12-15 group. Not bad considering there only 40 possible non-match numbers from these sums. Go back the past couple weeks in your state and look for the hottest sum and most due sum, and play the numbers in it. For example in NY the sum 13 is the most due to show, while the 15 has been the hottest this year. Each time a number hits in the 12-15 group mark it down, this way you can see whats hot, and overdue. Here is a list of the 12-15 sums, minus the doubles.

12-039-048-057-156-147-237-246-345-129-138

13-049-058-067-139-148-157-238-247-256-346

14-059-068-149-158-167-239-248-257-347-257

15-069-078-159-168-249-258-267-348-357-456

Jennilynn

Since this no-match 12-15 group

is  within Clipper's 11-20 no-match

Manually going back and

Measurement tool

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 3:34 pm - IP Logged

I like this BA...11-20 has worked for sure, but I imagine that this will pare down the 68 to a more reasonable 40.

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 3:43 pm - IP Logged

Max skip in SC Midday = 7

With progression out \$140.00, but get 10.00 profit on win of 7th draw. Not bad.

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 Posted: April 5, 2006, 3:44 pm - IP Logged

One reason I use the 11-20 category is I track "denominations".  Whenever I can rule out Teens (11-20) then I know 0-10 or 21-27 is about to play I can eliminate the 11-20 group.

"Track the Facts" and Eliminate to Determinate

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