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Do you believe the lotteries can be beaten by any method other than luck?

No. It's all luck. [ 30 ]  [28.57%]
No, but some systems can help. [ 17 ]  [16.19%]
Yes. By some 'metaphysical' means. [ 3 ]  [2.86%]
Yes, by a combination of statistics and luck. [ 21 ]  [20.00%]
Yes, by studying patterns. [ 16 ]  [15.24%]
Yes, by something they call mystical, but isn't. [ 3 ]  [2.86%]
Yes, by hard work and study. [ 11 ]  [10.48%]
No, by hard work and study. [ 1 ]  [0.95%]
Yes, by buying a lot of computer programs. [ 2 ]  [1.90%]
No, by buying a lot of computer programs. [ 1 ]  [0.95%]
Total Valid Votes [ 105 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 13 ]  
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NASHVILLE, TENN
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Posted: June 9, 2006, 1:02 pm - IP Logged

Luck is involved, to be sure. 

Yet knowing filters (patterns might be a better word) surely helps. 

When all the figuring, calculating, manipulating, charting, and patterning has been done and the time has arrived to determine what numbers you will play and which ones you will leave behind, luck is riding in the back seat (of someone else's car).

Good luck to all. 

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    Coastal Georgia
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    Posted: June 9, 2006, 6:09 pm - IP Logged

    There is absolutely nothing we can do to accurately predict the outcome of a 5 plus one jackpot game.

    If anyone says they can, then prove it by showing us the winning ticket from your system...

    Out of millions and millions of tickets sold, a winning set of numbers emerges and regardless of what anyone prognosticates, the other guy wins.

    The winner ?

    He ran into the gas n go and bought a pack of smokes or something and had a couple of spare bucks and asked for a quick pick and there you go, suddenly lady luck smiled on him. No other explanation.

     

                                   

                  

     

     

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
      mid-Ohio
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      Posted: June 10, 2006, 2:20 am - IP Logged

      If anyone believed they had actually matched 5+0 or better in a jackpot game using their system, only stupidity would motivate them to prove it by showing the winning ticket and explaining their system to us at LP.  A winning ticket would be their reward and the only validation they would need is a check from the lottery. 

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: June 10, 2006, 8:51 am - IP Logged
         

        Do you believe the lotteries can be beaten by any method other than luck?

         

        Yes, by something they call mystical, but isn't

         

        What is that supposed to mean?

         

        If something is mystical then it is mystical so how could it not be? Just asking your logic on that one.

         

         

        Thanks

        Clair:

        The key word is 'call' mystical.

        Remote viewing, for instance, might be something they call mystical, but isn't, since it's reportedly been a piece of an organized government program involving training, methodology and acquired skills.

        RV wasn't what I had in mind, but a lot of things in this reality get filed under 'mystical', metaphysical, etc., that probably won't be thought such when there's sufficient understanding of them to allow the scientific community to study them without being tainted.

        If something is mystical then it is mystical so how could it not be?

        Something you call mystical might well not be mystical for others who understand more about it.  But a person attempting to communicate anything to you about it would have to begin with your assumptions in order to form a foundation for any kind of communication.

        Jack

         

        Jack,

        Sorry my friend but the question is in narrative form! And seeing you as being the Author, is why I asked for your logic of the narrative!

         

        When written in such form, Jack, it can confuse and manipulate any reader's impression, not just my own.

         

        You worded the question as something "They" call mystical. Well who is they? Scientists, farmers, construction workers, or plumbers?

         

         

        You could of stopped at the explanation of your logic behind the question. You did not need to insult my intelligence or understanding of the word "Mystical", nor that I go around making assumptions. I understand and know quite well the meaning. I have been in the mystical realm all my years, and therefore one would think I know it well, which is why I asked!

         

         

        Thanks!
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          Coastal Georgia
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          Posted: June 10, 2006, 9:30 am - IP Logged

          If anyone believed they had actually matched 5+0 or better in a jackpot game using their system, only stupidity would motivate them to prove it by showing the winning ticket and explaining their system to us at LP.  A winning ticket would be their reward and the only validation they would need is a check from the lottery. 

          They would just need to show the ticket and prove that it's not a QP, but from a system:  that's all...

          No worries--- it ain't happened yet.........and it won't.

          Trying to make a point that it is not a system, but 100% luck.

          Right place, right time, fate, whatever.......

           

                                         

                        

           

           

            RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
            mid-Ohio
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            Posted: June 10, 2006, 11:21 am - IP Logged

            If anyone believed they had actually matched 5+0 or better in a jackpot game using their system, only stupidity would motivate them to prove it by showing the winning ticket and explaining their system to us at LP.  A winning ticket would be their reward and the only validation they would need is a check from the lottery. 

            They would just need to show the ticket and prove that it's not a QP, but from a system:  that's all...

            No worries--- it ain't happened yet.........and it won't.

            Trying to make a point that it is not a system, but 100% luck.

            Right place, right time, fate, whatever.......

            Even if one hit using a system, it would probably be more luck than the system unless he could do it again.  If a winner really believed his system had been responsible for his win, he would probably be more interested in trying to win again than sharing the news.  If it hit twice or more then he would definitely keep his mouth shut 'cause not everybody is like Gail Howard and Steve Player who want to share their winning systems.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
              Southeastern Ohio
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              Posted: June 10, 2006, 11:25 am - IP Logged
              Systems don't work, and it's all luck??? The page below is an archived record of the drawing for Ohio Rolling Cash 5 conducted on March 16, 2006. Granted, jackpot numbers don't appear as often as 2nd and 3rd tier prizes, but nevertheless, it does happen. It's up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity when it occurs. In this case I filtered this set of numbers further, using sum filtering, down to 8 sets of numbers and won $35.00. These numbers were produced using my personal system. Now, were these numbers generated through a system, or just pure luck?

              Page 1

              Numbers Drawn: 11 17 30 31 32Hurray!

               

              Check for Winning Tickets (39-20-Oh-061.tic) with drawing on 3/16/2006

               

              00001. 02 06 33 34 39 (0)

              00002. 02 11 27 38 39 (1)

              00003. 02 11 32 33 38 (2)

              00004. 02 12 27 31 38 (1)

              00005. 02 12 27 33 39 (0)

              00006. 02 14 28 33 34 (0)

              00007. 02 14 31 33 39 (1)

              00008. 02 17 28 32 38 (2)

              00009. 02 19 21 33 38 (0)

              00010. 02 19 27 31 34 (1)

              00011. 02 19 28 30 34 (1)

              00012. 02 19 30 31 32 (3)

              00013. 03 04 31 33 39 (1)

              00014. 03 11 28 31 38 (2)

              00015. 03 11 31 32 33 (3)

              00016. 03 12 27 30 39 (1)

              00017. 03 12 27 33 38 (0)

              00018. 03 12 32 34 39 (1)

              00019. 03 14 24 31 38 (1)

              00020. 03 14 27 31 39 (1)

              00021. 03 14 30 31 32 (3)   

              00022. 03 17 21 38 39 (1)

              00023. 03 17 24 32 39 (2)

              00024. 03 19 28 33 38 (0)

              00025. 04 11 24 32 39 (2)

              00026. 04 11 31 34 39 (2)

              00027. 04 12 27 28 39 (0)

              00028. 04 12 27 33 38 (0)   

              00029. 04 12 28 32 38 (1)   

              00030. 04 14 21 32 39 (1)   

              00031. 04 14 24 34 38 (0)   

              00032. 04 14 28 32 33 (1)   

              00033. 04 17 21 33 39 (1)   

              00034. 04 17 24 28 38 (1)   

              00035. 04 17 30 32 34 (3)   

              00036. 04 19 27 30 39 (1)   

              00037. 06 11 30 31 38 (3)   

              00038. 06 12 31 32 39 (2)   

              00039. 06 14 27 28 38 (0)   

              00040. 06 14 30 33 38 (1)   

              00041. 06 17 27 32 34 (2)   

              00042. 06 17 30 31 33 (3)   

              00043. 06 17 30 33 34 (2)   

              00044. 06 19 24 27 39 (0)

              00045. 06 19 24 31 38 (1)

              00046. 06 19 27 28 31 (1)

              00047. 06 19 28 33 34 (0)

              00048. 11 12 21 34 39 (1)

              00049. 11 14 24 30 32 (3)

              00050. 11 14 27 28 30 (2)

              00051. 11 17 30 31 32 (5)See Ya!

              00052. 11 19 21 27 32 (2)

              00053. 11 19 21 31 39 (2)

              00054. 11 19 24 31 34 (2)

              00055. 12 17 21 30 38 (2)

              00056. 12 17 21 31 32 (3)

              00057. 12 17 27 31 34 (2)

              00058. 12 17 28 30 32 (3)

              00059. 12 19 21 27 34 (0)

              00060. 12 19 27 28 32 (1)

              00061. 14 17 27 28 31 (2)

               

              Summary:

              Match 5: 1

              Match 4: 0

              Match 3: 9

              Match 2:16

              Match 1:22

              Match 0:13

               

                RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
                mid-Ohio
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                Posted: June 10, 2006, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

                LottoVantage,

                As a premium member, if you had reduced those 61 lines to 50 and posted them on the prediction board, you might be proof that someone had a system that could pick 5of5 more than once and the 5of5 win for $100,000 would have made you the top predictor.  As far as I know, no one has ever posted a 5of5 for any game.  Good luck to you.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Coastal Georgia
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                  Posted: June 10, 2006, 3:25 pm - IP Logged

                  Good job on the predictions.

                  What did you win ? $35.00 ?

                  What about the 5 of 5 ?

                   

                   

                  I still say it's luck more than skill, but what do I know ?

                   

                                                 

                                

                   

                   

                    LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
                    Southeastern Ohio
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                    Posted: June 10, 2006, 8:40 pm - IP Logged

                    RJOH - I have posted some on the prediction board, but don't post on a regular basis. Yes, it would have been great if I had posted these for sure!

                    DoubleDown - I filtered the numbers down to 8 tickets and filtered out the Jackpot numbers. I won $35.00 with the 8 tickets I played.

                    By the way, Rip Snorter had a 5 number prediction on the board just a short time ago. I believe it was Indiana, but I'm not sure.

                    Thanks for the comments...

                    LottoVantage

                     

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                      Posted: June 11, 2006, 1:38 am - IP Logged
                       

                      Do you believe the lotteries can be beaten by any method other than luck?

                       

                      Yes, by something they call mystical, but isn't

                       

                      What is that supposed to mean?

                       

                      If something is mystical then it is mystical so how could it not be? Just asking your logic on that one.

                       

                       

                      Thanks

                      Clair:

                      The key word is 'call' mystical.

                      Remote viewing, for instance, might be something they call mystical, but isn't, since it's reportedly been a piece of an organized government program involving training, methodology and acquired skills.

                      RV wasn't what I had in mind, but a lot of things in this reality get filed under 'mystical', metaphysical, etc., that probably won't be thought such when there's sufficient understanding of them to allow the scientific community to study them without being tainted.

                      If something is mystical then it is mystical so how could it not be?

                      Something you call mystical might well not be mystical for others who understand more about it.  But a person attempting to communicate anything to you about it would have to begin with your assumptions in order to form a foundation for any kind of communication.

                      Jack

                       

                      Jack,

                      Sorry my friend but the question is in narrative form! And seeing you as being the Author, is why I asked for your logic of the narrative!

                       

                      When written in such form, Jack, it can confuse and manipulate any reader's impression, not just my own.

                       

                      You worded the question as something "They" call mystical. Well who is they? Scientists, farmers, construction workers, or plumbers?

                       

                       

                      You could of stopped at the explanation of your logic behind the question. You did not need to insult my intelligence or understanding of the word "Mystical", nor that I go around making assumptions. I understand and know quite well the meaning. I have been in the mystical realm all my years, and therefore one would think I know it well, which is why I asked!

                       

                       

                      Thanks!

                      You could of stopped at the explanation of your logic behind the question. You did not need to insult my intelligence or understanding of the word "Mystical", nor that I go around making assumptions. I understand and know quite well the meaning. I have been in the mystical realm all my years, and therefore one would think I know it well, which is why I asked!

                       Clair:

                      Thanks for the reply.  Sorry to see I didn't answer to your satisfaction.  I gave it an honest shot.

                      I don't recall mentioning intelligence in my reply.  I don't consider intelligence praiseworthy, nor the lack of it a matter for condemnation.  Given that viewpoint I hold, I could hardly insult yours.

                      I confess innocence on all counts.  You'll need to live with that or use your block feature.

                      J

                      Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                      It's about number behavior.

                      Egos don't count.

                       

                      Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                       

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                        Posted: June 11, 2006, 1:44 am - IP Logged

                        RJOH - I have posted some on the prediction board, but don't post on a regular basis. Yes, it would have been great if I had posted these for sure!

                        DoubleDown - I filtered the numbers down to 8 tickets and filtered out the Jackpot numbers. I won $35.00 with the 8 tickets I played.

                        By the way, Rip Snorter had a 5 number prediction on the board just a short time ago. I believe it was Indiana, but I'm not sure.

                        Thanks for the comments...

                        LottoVantage

                        Congrats on the $35 LottoVantage.

                        That's $35 more than I won with 5  ov 5.

                        $35 is luck, any way you cut it.

                        5 of 5 ain't luck when it doesn't win a penny. 

                        Best to you,

                        Jack

                        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

                          LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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                          Posted: June 11, 2006, 9:34 am - IP Logged

                          Thanks for the reply Rip.

                          As I asserted in a previous post, " The combination of statistics, patterns, and luck is a definite winner. One element missing in the poll is timing. Watching a statistical pattern develop and waiting for certain elements to conclude is the combination, along with a bit of luck, that will definitely create winning bets".

                          I've never dismissed "luck" as being a necessary component in any endeavor, including betting money on a certain group of numbers. However, when I can successfully determine which group of numbers to wager following a precise statistical pattern, and can successfully determine the conclusion of certain necessary elements which provide success time after time, I disagree with the "$35 is luck, any way you cut it" element of your statement.

                          Good luck to you and your endeavors,

                          LottoVantage

                           

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                            Posted: June 11, 2006, 10:11 am - IP Logged

                            Thanks for the reply Rip.

                            As I asserted in a previous post, " The combination of statistics, patterns, and luck is a definite winner. One element missing in the poll is timing. Watching a statistical pattern develop and waiting for certain elements to conclude is the combination, along with a bit of luck, that will definitely create winning bets".

                            I've never dismissed "luck" as being a necessary component in any endeavor, including betting money on a certain group of numbers. However, when I can successfully determine which group of numbers to wager following a precise statistical pattern, and can successfully determine the conclusion of certain necessary elements which provide success time after time, I disagree with the "$35 is luck, any way you cut it" element of your statement.

                            Good luck to you and your endeavors,

                            LottoVantage

                            LottoVantage:

                            I disagree with it also. 

                            I happen to believe luck only plays a part in winning lottos only because there aren't any people who understand things well enough to make certain they win all of them without depending on luck.

                            There mightn't be any such people out there at all.  But I believe there will be in the future.

                             The best piece of luck I ever had involved a long-shot pony running a long last with my win/place/show money until the number 2 horse stumbled and rolled and scattered everyone except my pony, him placing second.  The killed the horse that stumbled and sent two jockeys off to the hospital on stretchers, but I was a lucky man that day.

                            Best to you,

                            Jack

                            Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                            It's about number behavior.

                            Egos don't count.

                             

                            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                             

                              Tenaj's avatar - michellea
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                              SmashBy knowing the patterns that never change.  The faithful ones you can take to the bank.

                              takeemtothebank