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Do you believe the lotteries can be beaten by any method other than luck?

No. It's all luck. [ 30 ]  [28.57%]
No, but some systems can help. [ 17 ]  [16.19%]
Yes. By some 'metaphysical' means. [ 3 ]  [2.86%]
Yes, by a combination of statistics and luck. [ 21 ]  [20.00%]
Yes, by studying patterns. [ 16 ]  [15.24%]
Yes, by something they call mystical, but isn't. [ 3 ]  [2.86%]
Yes, by hard work and study. [ 11 ]  [10.48%]
No, by hard work and study. [ 1 ]  [0.95%]
Yes, by buying a lot of computer programs. [ 2 ]  [1.90%]
No, by buying a lot of computer programs. [ 1 ]  [0.95%]
Total Valid Votes [ 105 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 13 ]  
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Posted: June 11, 2006, 10:30 am - IP Logged

Rip,

I suppose that those of us who do anything more than buying a single Quick Pick must believe that there is something more than luck to beating the lotteries. That's not to say that even one Quick Pick selection is enitirely a matter of luck, but that's about the most effortless way of actually playing the lotteries.

I've tried all kinds of things including statistical analyses, numerology, astrology, dreams, number patterns, exotic systems, complex formulas, and even methods of buyingand using Quick Picks. I've never found any method that inspired such confidence that I'd bet the rent money on it. With anything I've ever tried, there's always been the hope in the back of my mind that Lady Luck would smile upon me. Maybe I've been undermining my own efforts with that kind of desperate hope and lack of complete confidence. In my rational mind, I don't believe in luck, but I'll take a big lottery win by just about any means or label.

No matter how we think of luck or any method of play that we might employ, beating the lotteries boils down to having the actual numbers that we play coincide with the draw numbers. I'm not in a position to say whether or not any particular method or luck itself is meaningful per se, but having one's play selections match the draw numbers would have to be significance of the highest order in trying to beat the lotteries. Nevertheless, it's not the matching of the draw numbers that is truly meaningful. The meaning lies in the underlying principle or pattern which transcends causal relationships. It is that dynamic which makes the apparent coincidence of number selections and draw numbers possible.

In my everyday mind, I'd be inclined to think that cashing a big jackpot check would be the most meaningful thing about beating the lotteries by any means, but there's a more sublime aspect of my own nature that knows that there is something much greater than a game of numbers and money at work. I tell people all the time that the big money itself wouldn't be the most important thing for me about winning the lottery. For me, the freedom of choice that money would afford me and the validation of my own efforts are the most important things about playing the lottery.

There are many dimensions of reality. Lottery players, their methods, and number selections exist in a dimension that is largely apart from the dimension of actual lottery drawings. It is when the manifestations of those parallel dimensions agree that we not only beat the lotteries, but we also bear witness to the principle which gives order and meaning to all things physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. "Synchronicity" is the word that Carl Jung coined to describe this.

aye'

 

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    Rip,

    I suppose that those of us who do anything more than buying a single Quick Pick must believe that there is something more than luck to beating the lotteries. That's not to say that even one Quick Pick selection is enitirely a matter of luck, but that's about the most effortless way of actually playing the lotteries.

    I've tried all kinds of things including statistical analyses, numerology, astrology, dreams, number patterns, exotic systems, complex formulas, and even methods of buyingand using Quick Picks. I've never found any method that inspired such confidence that I'd bet the rent money on it. With anything I've ever tried, there's always been the hope in the back of my mind that Lady Luck would smile upon me. Maybe I've been undermining my own efforts with that kind of desperate hope and lack of complete confidence. In my rational mind, I don't believe in luck, but I'll take a big lottery win by just about any means or label.

    No matter how we think of luck or any method of play that we might employ, beating the lotteries boils down to having the actual numbers that we play coincide with the draw numbers. I'm not in a position to say whether or not any particular method or luck itself is meaningful per se, but having one's play selections match the draw numbers would have to be significance of the highest order in trying to beat the lotteries. Nevertheless, it's not the matching of the draw numbers that is truly meaningful. The meaning lies in the underlying principle or pattern which transcends causal relationships. It is that dynamic which makes the apparent coincidence of number selections and draw numbers possible.

    In my everyday mind, I'd be inclined to think that cashing a big jackpot check would be the most meaningful thing about beating the lotteries by any means, but there's a more sublime aspect of my own nature that knows that there is something much greater than a game of numbers and money at work. I tell people all the time that the big money itself wouldn't be the most important thing for me about winning the lottery. For me, the freedom of choice that money would afford me and the validation of my own efforts are the most important things about playing the lottery.

    There are many dimensions of reality. Lottery players, their methods, and number selections exist in a dimension that is largely apart from the dimension of actual lottery drawings. It is when the manifestations of those parallel dimensions agree that we not only beat the lotteries, but we also bear witness to the principle which gives order and meaning to all things physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. "Synchronicity" is the word that Carl Jung coined to describe this.

    aye'

     

    I like your style, aye'.

    I'm going to have to re-read your post a few times to try and find something to disagree with.

    Jack

    Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

    It's about number behavior.

    Egos don't count.

     

    Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

     

      LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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      Posted: June 11, 2006, 10:59 am - IP Logged

      This graph contains ALL of the 4 & 5 match results possible, (minus the 2 & 3 results), within my system since Ohio Rolling Cash 5 began. The +'s were predicted, the 0's were not predicted. At the bottom of the graph are two groups of numbers, (19 Lower Tier, & 20 Upper Tier), available for wheeling. Those two groups of numbers are  correct statistically & positioned per the StatPath 5 Lotto System. Luck has no bearing on the correlation of these numbers. Luck has no bearing on the normal frequency pattern of the lottery pool. The physical phenomena of the balls, machines, atmosphere, and timing permeates everything else. The only "lucky" part here is whether or not you decide to wheel and wager the numbers provided, and whether or not you decide to wager ALL the numbers wheeled, or you decide to shrink the wheeled numbers down to practically nothing and (hope) for a win, (as luck may have it).

      The * at the edges of the graph are MATRIX changes that occur occasionally.

       

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        This graph contains ALL of the 4 & 5 match results possible, (minus the 2 & 3 results), within my system since Ohio Rolling Cash 5 began. The +'s were predicted, the 0's were not predicted. At the bottom of the graph are two groups of numbers, (19 Lower Tier, & 20 Upper Tier), available for wheeling. Those two groups of numbers are  correct statistically & positioned per the StatPath 5 Lotto System. Luck has no bearing on the correlation of these numbers. Luck has no bearing on the normal frequency pattern of the lottery pool. The physical phenomena of the balls, machines, atmosphere, and timing permeates everything else. The only "lucky" part here is whether or not you decide to wheel and wager the numbers provided, and whether or not you decide to wager ALL the numbers wheeled, or you decide to shrink the wheeled numbers down to practically nothing and (hope) for a win, (as luck may have it).

        The * at the edges of the graph are MATRIX changes that occur occasionally.

         

        nice stats, but without the "LUCK" of the lottery machine spitting out the winning combination everything else really does'nt amount to a "Whole hill of beans".

                                                     

                                                       " You can not control the Wind, but you can direct the Sail "

          LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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          Posted: June 11, 2006, 11:22 am - IP Logged

          I dissagree! When the directing elements are favorable, and you wheel and wager your numbers, and the numbers you wagered contain the drawn numbers, it's skill and hard work that pays off, not luck!

           

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            MADDOG10 said : nice stats, but without the "LUCK" of the lottery machine spitting out the winning combination everything else really does'nt amount to a "Whole hill of beans".

            I Agree! 

            DD

             

                                           

                          

             

             

              LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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              Systems don't work, and it's all luck??? The page below is an archived record of the drawing for Ohio Rolling Cash 5 conducted on March 16, 2006. Granted, jackpot numbers don't appear as often as 2nd and 3rd tier prizes, but nevertheless, it does happen. It's up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity when it occurs. In this case I filtered this set of numbers further, using sum filtering, down to 8 sets of numbers and won $35.00. These numbers were produced using my personal system. Now, were these numbers generated through a system, or just pure luck?

              Page 1

              Numbers Drawn: 11 17 30 31 32Hurray!

               

              Check for Winning Tickets (39-20-Oh-061.tic) with drawing on 3/16/2006

               

              00001. 02 06 33 34 39 (0)

              00002. 02 11 27 38 39 (1)

              00003. 02 11 32 33 38 (2)

              00004. 02 12 27 31 38 (1)

              00005. 02 12 27 33 39 (0)

              00006. 02 14 28 33 34 (0)

              00007. 02 14 31 33 39 (1)

              00008. 02 17 28 32 38 (2)

              00009. 02 19 21 33 38 (0)

              00010. 02 19 27 31 34 (1)

              00011. 02 19 28 30 34 (1)

              00012. 02 19 30 31 32 (3)

              00013. 03 04 31 33 39 (1)

              00014. 03 11 28 31 38 (2)

              00015. 03 11 31 32 33 (3)

              00016. 03 12 27 30 39 (1)

              00017. 03 12 27 33 38 (0)

              00018. 03 12 32 34 39 (1)

              00019. 03 14 24 31 38 (1)

              00020. 03 14 27 31 39 (1)

              00021. 03 14 30 31 32 (3)   

              00022. 03 17 21 38 39 (1)

              00023. 03 17 24 32 39 (2)

              00024. 03 19 28 33 38 (0)

              00025. 04 11 24 32 39 (2)

              00026. 04 11 31 34 39 (2)

              00027. 04 12 27 28 39 (0)

              00028. 04 12 27 33 38 (0)   

              00029. 04 12 28 32 38 (1)   

              00030. 04 14 21 32 39 (1)   

              00031. 04 14 24 34 38 (0)   

              00032. 04 14 28 32 33 (1)   

              00033. 04 17 21 33 39 (1)   

              00034. 04 17 24 28 38 (1)   

              00035. 04 17 30 32 34 (3)   

              00036. 04 19 27 30 39 (1)   

              00037. 06 11 30 31 38 (3)   

              00038. 06 12 31 32 39 (2)   

              00039. 06 14 27 28 38 (0)   

              00040. 06 14 30 33 38 (1)   

              00041. 06 17 27 32 34 (2)   

              00042. 06 17 30 31 33 (3)   

              00043. 06 17 30 33 34 (2)   

              00044. 06 19 24 27 39 (0)

              00045. 06 19 24 31 38 (1)

              00046. 06 19 27 28 31 (1)

              00047. 06 19 28 33 34 (0)

              00048. 11 12 21 34 39 (1)

              00049. 11 14 24 30 32 (3)

              00050. 11 14 27 28 30 (2)

              00051. 11 17 30 31 32 (5)See Ya!

              00052. 11 19 21 27 32 (2)

              00053. 11 19 21 31 39 (2)

              00054. 11 19 24 31 34 (2)

              00055. 12 17 21 30 38 (2)

              00056. 12 17 21 31 32 (3)

              00057. 12 17 27 31 34 (2)

              00058. 12 17 28 30 32 (3)

              00059. 12 19 21 27 34 (0)

              00060. 12 19 27 28 32 (1)

              00061. 14 17 27 28 31 (2)

               

              Summary:

              Match 5: 1

              Match 4: 0

              Match 3: 9

              Match 2:16

              Match 1:22

              Match 0:13

              When you're able to accurately predict, because of number trend analysis, that the sum range is going to fall between 114 & 118 total sum, and because of the ability to predict upper/lower tier trend analysis, and the winning numbers follow these predicted trends, I'd say you're "whole hill of beans" is total hogwash, and "luck" needs to get a job and find out what hard work is.

               

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                I voted "No, But some systems can help."

                In my opinion (<<< note the disclaimer) , Nothing yet demonstrated works beyond coincidence.

                Some may point to the prediction boards and claim sucess, I still say coincidence... for NOBODY can, at will put up one number for any one draw consistently and have it match... and we will most likely NEVER see that take place. I say systems can help a little because since I have all but lost interest I have been on my 1QP kick for quite some time and the results are pitiful (just matched 11 in the PB sat., first "win" in quite some time...). When I was deeply involved in developing the "stat system" I would at least win a few bucks with some regularity (though not above the break-even point).

                We all want to believe that some system will work even some of the time, why else would we have all ended up here? I See us in 4 categories here

                A. Observers - those who look for good picks but have no interest in generating them. Not a bad thing, Many interesting folks neither predict or discuss systems. Also contains lurkers and curiosity seekers.

                B. Observers who want to be predictors - several of the better performing predictors started this way, this is where I jumped in at.

                C. Debunkers and Trolls- THose who revel in disproving systems and theories without offering any alternatives or corrections, and EVERY board has trolls. 

                D. Predictors - The respected Elite of the LP. These are the folks whose creativity and intellect fill the prediction boards with numbers and give the aspiring predictors things to think about. Here we gotta go into sub-categories (with an analogy to the stock market)...

                1. Penny Stocks - Predictors for daily games in one state. may predict one or more numbers, but only for one particular game.
                2. Day Traders - Predictors for jackpot games, no time or interest in putting money into the "small peanuts" of the daily games. May or may not predict regularly, rarely post individual lines... why would they? the stakes are too high. You may find them in the jackpot forum in the "challenges". Here's where I am ;-) (or was, before losing interest)
                3. Blue Chips - The wheelers, Price of admission too steep for most. The more numbers posted, the better the overall average if some hits can be raked in.
                4. Mutual Funds - Here is the "All States" and "numbers for the week/month/year of" predictors. Works just like investing, Buying just one stock is putting all your eggs in one basket (look at all of the stock-based 401k's that went belly-up when the tech market bubble burst). Mutual funds, on the other hand, distribute the load... some gain, some lose... if some go broke, others offset the losses.

                All 4 types of predictors have yet to produce anything better than coincidental results. With as many bright people as we have here, surely something would have emerged by now, right? Not if you are seeking an answer to an impossible question.

                Based on my experience with one-pick systems vs. quickpicks only, I would give the nod to systems in producing more hits and at least putting the numbers NEAR the ones drawn... But I don't see any way to have the system "beat".

                We should have a stringent litmus test

                1. for daily games (3 and 4) - 7 consecutive straight hits (predicted ahead of time, in a group no larger than 10 lines), in 7 days, same state
                2. for cash 5/pick 6 type jackpot games - 3 jackpot wins (not second tier, 5/5 or 6/6, no more than 5 picks) in 6 months, same state
                3. for multistate jackpot games - 2 jackpot wins (not second tier, 5+1!, no more than 5 picks) in 12 months, same game

                Sound impossible? it IS! Anyone claiming to have a real system should be able to pass one of the above tests for it... and we should DEMAND this of anyone selling anything lottery-related, be it software or pen and paper... ANYTHING LESS is just coincidence.

                (refer to disclaimer at the top)

                Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                  Sound impossible? it IS!

                  Anyone claiming to have a real system should be able to pass one of the above tests for it... and we should DEMAND this of anyone selling anything lottery-related, be it software or pen and paper... ANYTHING LESS is just coincidence.

                   Sonic:

                  I agree completely with the second piece of your conclusion.  Impossible's too big and too presumptuous a word to allow me to agree with the first part.

                  It's impossible for heavier than air craft to fly.  If you don't believe it ask the top scientists alive the day before the Wright brothers left their bicycle shop and went to Kitty Hawk.

                  Jack 

                   

                   

                  Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                  It's about number behavior.

                  Egos don't count.

                   

                  Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                   

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                    Posted: June 11, 2006, 2:46 pm - IP Logged
                    Systems don't work, and it's all luck??? The page below is an archived record of the drawing for Ohio Rolling Cash 5 conducted on March 16, 2006. Granted, jackpot numbers don't appear as often as 2nd and 3rd tier prizes, but nevertheless, it does happen. It's up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunity when it occurs. In this case I filtered this set of numbers further, using sum filtering, down to 8 sets of numbers and won $35.00. These numbers were produced using my personal system. Now, were these numbers generated through a system, or just pure luck?

                    Page 1

                    Numbers Drawn: 11 17 30 31 32Hurray!

                     

                    Check for Winning Tickets (39-20-Oh-061.tic) with drawing on 3/16/2006

                     

                    00001. 02 06 33 34 39 (0)

                    00002. 02 11 27 38 39 (1)

                    00003. 02 11 32 33 38 (2)

                    00004. 02 12 27 31 38 (1)

                    00005. 02 12 27 33 39 (0)

                    00006. 02 14 28 33 34 (0)

                    00007. 02 14 31 33 39 (1)

                    00008. 02 17 28 32 38 (2)

                    00009. 02 19 21 33 38 (0)

                    00010. 02 19 27 31 34 (1)

                    00011. 02 19 28 30 34 (1)

                    00012. 02 19 30 31 32 (3)

                    00013. 03 04 31 33 39 (1)

                    00014. 03 11 28 31 38 (2)

                    00015. 03 11 31 32 33 (3)

                    00016. 03 12 27 30 39 (1)

                    00017. 03 12 27 33 38 (0)

                    00018. 03 12 32 34 39 (1)

                    00019. 03 14 24 31 38 (1)

                    00020. 03 14 27 31 39 (1)

                    00021. 03 14 30 31 32 (3)   

                    00022. 03 17 21 38 39 (1)

                    00023. 03 17 24 32 39 (2)

                    00024. 03 19 28 33 38 (0)

                    00025. 04 11 24 32 39 (2)

                    00026. 04 11 31 34 39 (2)

                    00027. 04 12 27 28 39 (0)

                    00028. 04 12 27 33 38 (0)   

                    00029. 04 12 28 32 38 (1)   

                    00030. 04 14 21 32 39 (1)   

                    00031. 04 14 24 34 38 (0)   

                    00032. 04 14 28 32 33 (1)   

                    00033. 04 17 21 33 39 (1)   

                    00034. 04 17 24 28 38 (1)   

                    00035. 04 17 30 32 34 (3)   

                    00036. 04 19 27 30 39 (1)   

                    00037. 06 11 30 31 38 (3)   

                    00038. 06 12 31 32 39 (2)   

                    00039. 06 14 27 28 38 (0)   

                    00040. 06 14 30 33 38 (1)   

                    00041. 06 17 27 32 34 (2)   

                    00042. 06 17 30 31 33 (3)   

                    00043. 06 17 30 33 34 (2)   

                    00044. 06 19 24 27 39 (0)

                    00045. 06 19 24 31 38 (1)

                    00046. 06 19 27 28 31 (1)

                    00047. 06 19 28 33 34 (0)

                    00048. 11 12 21 34 39 (1)

                    00049. 11 14 24 30 32 (3)

                    00050. 11 14 27 28 30 (2)

                    00051. 11 17 30 31 32 (5)See Ya!

                    00052. 11 19 21 27 32 (2)

                    00053. 11 19 21 31 39 (2)

                    00054. 11 19 24 31 34 (2)

                    00055. 12 17 21 30 38 (2)

                    00056. 12 17 21 31 32 (3)

                    00057. 12 17 27 31 34 (2)

                    00058. 12 17 28 30 32 (3)

                    00059. 12 19 21 27 34 (0)

                    00060. 12 19 27 28 32 (1)

                    00061. 14 17 27 28 31 (2)

                     

                    Summary:

                    Match 5: 1

                    Match 4: 0

                    Match 3: 9

                    Match 2:16

                    Match 1:22

                    Match 0:13

                    When you're able to accurately predict, because of number trend analysis, that the sum range is going to fall between 114 & 118 total sum, and because of the ability to predict upper/lower tier trend analysis, and the winning numbers follow these predicted trends, I'd say you're "whole hill of beans" is total hogwash, and "luck" needs to get a job and find out what hard work is.

                    LottoVantage:

                    You and I happen to disagree with the majority of the posters on this thread.  But you and I don't have any investment in what they believe.  There's no reason what they believe should cause us any distress, nor cause us to feel the need to argue against their beliefs.

                    This thread's intended to allow folks to tell what they believe, and if they'd like, to tell why they believe it.

                    It's not intended to try to change those beliefs.

                    With a bit of luck (hee hee) you and I will do that the hard way using real dollars and real betslips someday.  What people here believe is interesting, but mostly insignificant insofar as what's possible and what isn't.  Those are yet to be determined in the winds of time and effort.

                    Jack

                    Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                    It's about number behavior.

                    Egos don't count.

                     

                    Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                     

                      LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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                      Your comments are very much appreciated, Rip! As you wisely advised, "This thread's intended to allow folks to tell what they believe, and if they'd like, to tell why they believe it", is precisely what has been happening here. I have, without any stress whatsoever, been advocating my beliefs with solid support of some of my backup records.

                      When any mortal has been at this as many years as I have, and can provide proof of results as I did on page 5 of this thread, I can strongly support what I believe with gusto!

                      The dissension in belief here is strictly between those that advocate it's pure luck in winning lotteries, and the rest of us. I am only trying my best to help the dissentient's, (hee hee), the best I can!

                      Good luck,

                      LottoVantage

                       

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                        I think it's all luck too, but who's to say?  The only reason I chose "luck" is that so many people who never played before win the lottery, and many of them buy quickpicks.  If you're talking about the pick 3 or 4 games, maybe a little skill is involved using a lottery system.  I'd even stretch that to include Fantasy 5, although most tickets that win are QPs. I check the press releases regularly, and that's what I see on the FL web site. However, there are too many winning combinations to even guess what will be picked for PB or MM or even the 6 number state lottery games. Some people believe that everyone makes his own luck in life. I once read an article that said there is a difference between luck and chance. If I recall, it said that even a lucky person might never win the lottery.  Maybe someone can explain the difference to me.  I guess you could say that the chance of being struck by lightning is XXX and that person certainly isn't lucky. The chance of being attacked by a shark is.... So does this mean that a lucky person isn't necessarily in the mix? Or does it mean that when calculating odds for games of chance we need to include the Unlucky?  I'm not really making any sense here, am I? Crazy

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                          I think it's all luck too, but who's to say?  The only reason I chose "luck" is that so many people who never played before win the lottery, and many of them buy quickpicks.  If you're talking about the pick 3 or 4 games, maybe a little skill is involved using a lottery system.  I'd even stretch that to include Fantasy 5, although most tickets that win are QPs. I check the press releases regularly, and that's what I see on the FL web site. However, there are too many winning combinations to even guess what will be picked for PB or MM or even the 6 number state lottery games. Some people believe that everyone makes his own luck in life. I once read an article that said there is a difference between luck and chance. If I recall, it said that even a lucky person might never win the lottery.  Maybe someone can explain the difference to me.  I guess you could say that the chance of being struck by lightning is XXX and that person certainly isn't lucky. The chance of being attacked by a shark is.... So does this mean that a lucky person isn't necessarily in the mix? Or does it mean that when calculating odds for games of chance we need to include the Unlucky?  I'm not really making any sense here, am I? Crazy

                          When I reach in and pluck out an orange, I don't just start eating it. I peel off the skin first to get to the sweet stuff. I don't feel like I'm lucky, or, unlucky. I advocate eliminating as many numbers as possible to get to the good ones. After I find all the good one's I can, I eliminate numbers further through every possible method available to arrive at an affordable amount. When I am on target and numbers come through for me as they often have, then it's my skill and hard work that gets me there, not luck.

                          When I buy a scratch off or a quick pick and win anything, which is rare, it's pure luck.

                          Good luck,

                          LottoVantage

                           

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                            Posted: June 11, 2006, 4:55 pm - IP Logged

                            Sound impossible? it IS!

                            Anyone claiming to have a real system should be able to pass one of the above tests for it... and we should DEMAND this of anyone selling anything lottery-related, be it software or pen and paper... ANYTHING LESS is just coincidence.

                             Sonic:

                            I agree completely with the second piece of your conclusion.  Impossible's too big and too presumptuous a word to allow me to agree with the first part.

                            It's impossible for heavier than air craft to fly.  If you don't believe it ask the top scientists alive the day before the Wright brothers left their bicycle shop and went to Kitty Hawk.

                            Jack 

                             

                             

                            fair enough

                            It's impossible, until someone makes it possible.

                            I still buy a ticket for each draw... I just waste less time trying to search for order in the chaos.

                            All lottery systems put forth thus far, from pay systems to ones posted free, have coincidence at their core. it is upon this realization that you can move to different areas of number generation, really get outside the box.

                            Take fortune cookies, for an example. Have fortune cookie picks won jackpots? Absolutely! Has is happened with any regularity? Nope.... replace "fortune cookie" with ANY system and the truth of the inherent dependence of lottery systems on coincidence becomes self-evident.

                            The big difference between creating a lottery beating system and creating a heavier-than-air craft that flies is that the wright's experiments could be reproduced. Flight could be achieved again and again. It could now be not only fully explained by mathematics and physics, but performance can be predicted with high levels of accuracy. If flying today yielded the same attempt-to-success ratio of even the best current lottery system, nobody would fly! Each leap forward built on the others. We don't even have a valid example of a generic prediction formula with which to start from.

                            vtracs, gail howard, statistics, lotto synch, rng quickpicks.... all coincidence.

                             

                            Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                              Posted: June 11, 2006, 5:13 pm - IP Logged

                              The big difference between creating a lottery beating system and creating a heavier-than-air craft that flies is that the wright's experiments could be reproduced. Flight could be achieved again and again. It could now be not only fully explained by mathematics and physics, but performance can be predicted with high levels of accuracy. If flying today yielded the same attempt-to-success ratio of even the best current lottery system, nobody would fly! Each leap forward built on the others.  hypersoniq

                              I Agree!

                              As they'd shout on the Family Feud, "good answer, good answer!" Wink 

                              My feeling about Lottery Systems is this:  Once someone really finds the key to winning, there will be no more lotteries.  I mean, would anyone want to go second in Tic-Tac-Toe?