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Are the lotteries fixed?

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some [ 20 ]  [20.62%]
no, they don't need to [ 34 ]  [35.05%]
Mossad [ 5 ]  [5.15%]
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no one is gonna tell me diferent.  Yes, they r fixed  or the numbers  would be coming out out like a flip of a coin!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Posted: December 12, 2006, 4:39 am - IP Logged

    Rigged (obscene accusation) or not, people still win hundereds, thousands and in some cases (rare jackpot winners)... millions from lotteries. 

    The numbers won't always cooperate in a random game.  Even though there are trends with numbers it just won't happen the same way every time.  The state has to make it challenging... after all, their goal is to make money.  But there is no way it can be rigged.  Well, I'm sure there are ways to rig it, but it doesn't happen.  So it happened once in PA, big deal... I'm sure the other states use proper methods to make sure that it DOESN'T happen in their states. 

    Why on earth would you play a game that you believe without a doubt as being rigged? 

    Just my opinion, but doing 4 test draws in TX would certainly screw up the numbers.

    Keep it simple 

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      Posted: December 13, 2006, 1:23 am - IP Logged

      no one is gonna tell me diferent.  Yes, they r fixed  or the numbers  would be coming out out like a flip of a coin!!!!!!!!!!!

      *How* exactly should the numbers come out like the flip of a coin? What's wrong with the numbers that have been coming out?

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        *How* exactly should the numbers come out like the flip of a coin? What's wrong with the numbers that have been coming out?

        flip of a coin is a natural random call, fixed numbers r not natrual & it is the only way for the states to make & not lose money.  That's why some people can predict on what kind  sums r gonna hit.  Pronto!!!!!!!!!


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          flip of a coin is a natural random call, fixed numbers r not natrual & it is the only way for the states to make & not lose money.  That's why some people can predict on what kind  sums r gonna hit.  Pronto!!!!!!!!!

          It seems to me that the flip of a coin would not be natural and random, after all, you're only dealing with 2 outcomes, heads or tails.  With lottery, take the P3 and P4 for example... you're dealing with 3 or 4 individual drawings from 3 or 4 separate sets of 10 numbers.  The second number drawn has no bearing on what the first number was, and same for the 3rd or 4th numbers.

          With sums you're dealing with a mass amount of number sets.  Not all states are the same, and have different trends.  Ohio, IMO is hard to track sums, and VTRACS for that matter. 

          Keep it simple 

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            Posted: December 13, 2006, 4:37 pm - IP Logged

            Surge, thank u! my point exactly. I'm just too sick to take the time to explain like u just did.  I was just trying to make it short as possible.  I do know the stuff u r talking about, just too tire from being sooo sick.  I didn't mean to cost anyone any greif over it.  


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              Coin Toss made me post this.  I think they're fixed, what do you all think?  Can anyone prove me wrong?

               

              Well shoot, the first one should be maybe.  Yeesh. 

              I must say that this is the first post that has really gotten under my skin.  :)    I can straight out tell you and anyone else who believes that state or provincial lottery games are rigged are so wrong.  The proof can be summed up in this.  Take a stadium with 100,000  people and give them all a ticket from a range of 00000 to 99999.   Now, roll out five lottery machines and draw a number from 0-9 from each.  Only one person will win.   Nobody else will.  That's the lottery in a nutshell. 

              I have sat in on many lottery draws here in Ontario.  I even have my own set of lottery balls that were used many years ago.  Even the lottery officials buy tickets and lose.  This post struck a sore-spot with me because so many people believe the games are rigged.  Moreso, that in some fashion the ball set or machine used, or how they load the machine makes a difference.  The fact is that balls are mixed in a matter of seconds and that they are tested....they are measured, weighed, x-rayed for impurities, and even given a bounce test, and even put into water for a density/displacement  test on a regular basis.  It's done in all good faith...all so you can trust your government runned lotteries .  Integrity and player confidence is the lottery's lifeblood.  With no player confidence and no integrity, no lottery corporation would survive.  Nobody would buy tickets.

              There's information that says you could put and apple, a lottery ball, an orange, and a tennis ball. Each one of them would come out as often as the other.  I agree.  My set of lottery balls looks a little beat up (a few of them do)...but the all weigh the same 170 grams, diameter the same 70 mm, and all bounce the same height when I drop them. 

              Look up, "The Lottery Has Balls" in your search engines, you will find a website called Lottotutor, Balls or No Balls.  I think you might see it differently after reading their site.     

              Good luck !       

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                Exactly what does it mean for a lottery to be fixed?

                When a lottery puts a particular scratch-off series on sale, they already know exactly how many tickets will be sold in that series and exactly how much they'll pay out. The only mystery is who will be lucky enough to win which prizes. The same holds true for raffle games.

                Now, if a lottery were to somehow control the outcomes of computer drawn or ball drawn Pick 3, Pick 4, Pick 5 or Jackpot games in order to achieve that same certainty about payouts, would it necessarily be wrong for them to "fix" the game in that way? Why would it be acceptable for raffles and scratchers, but not for the other games?

                Just wondering....

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                  Wintariofan:

                  " Take a stadium with 100,000  people and give them all a ticket from a range of 00000 to 99999"

                   Here's why there is so much resistance to computerized drawings:

                  Take that stadium but let's say of the potential 100,000 people that can be seated, 99,999 are. Then the data is looked up and the empty seat is found.

                  Then the comoputerized drawing spits out the number of the vacant seat.

                  Not possible? A progressive slot route in Vegas (taverns, not casinos) was set up so a royal flush would never be hit, thus the progressive jackpot would never be hit or have to be paid.

                  PS

                  wizardsheep mentioned she thought lotteries might be rigged so I told her to bounde it off the folks here.  I'm not saying they are, and in fact a state would be crazy to jeopardize itself like that, but let's face it, the technology is there.

                  Back in the old days of Vegas there were times when a Keno room went an entire shift without a number even being in the bowl - wasn't even intentional.  

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Back in the old days of Vegas there were times when a Keno room went an entire shift without a number even being in the bowl - wasn't even intentional.

                     

                    That only affected the players using that number and actually gave the players using the other numbers a slightly better percentage.  With the bowl in full view of the patrons, it would be next to impossible to take out a ball or balls if drawn that would result in the highest payoffs.  

                    But what if a state lottery looked at its Lotto game as a giant Keno machine with 14 million balls and the bowl is not seen by the patrons?  Is it possible they could eliminate combinations as they are played from a computerized draw making it impossible for the jackpot to be hit, the jackpot rolling over. and enticing more people to play in the next drawing?

                    wizardsheep mentioned she thought lotteries might be rigged so I told her to bounde it off the folks here. 

                    I can’t see any individual benefits outweighing the risk for rigging the drawings this way, but the possibility is a reason to eliminate computerized drawings. People will always say drawings are rigged because their numbers aren't being drawn and play again the next day hoping they win. 

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                      "That only affected the players using that number and actually gave the players using the other numbers a slightly better percentage."

                       Actually what happened was the paper and pencil crowd that was tracking the numbers started playing the number that wasn't there because, hey, it's due, you know!

                      You have to love those kind of people - when Vegas put in mechanical horse race games, the very first night there was actually people with pencils and memo pads "doping out" the mechanical horses.

                      Another sidenote on Keno-  a couple was arrested at the Las Vegas club years ago for "defrauding an innkeeeper" (little known catch-all Nevada law) while trying to run a Keno scam. One of them was a Keno writer, and her boyfriend was marking the numbers as they were drawn, then he submitted the ticket to her and she tried to past post it (make a bet after a known result).

                      They got caught because these idiots submitted a 15 spot, (no one has ever hit a 15 number ticket) and the numbers were the first 15 of the 20 drawn.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Coin,

                        Actually what happened was the paper and pencil crowd that was tracking the numbers started playing the number that wasn't there because, hey, it's due, you know!

                         

                        And then they assumed somebody from the Lottery Commission pocketed those balls thus rigging the game so they couldn't win. 

                        I played the Ohio Pick-3 when it began in 1979 and hit the second draw, straight and boxed, by playing the 3 digits number off my license plate (647). That’s when I learned to ask the clerk if they had enough money to cash the ticket before running it through the machine. I waited 2 hours until the manager finally came in so I could collect $583 and thought they rigged the game so I couldn’t get paid. On the 5th draw when 741 hit on December 7th, it took some of the players a few days to collect their winnings because of the large number of winners.

                        They got caught because these idiots submitted a 15 spot, (no one has ever hit a 15 number ticket) and the numbers were the first 15 of the 20 drawn. 

                        A similar thing happened in Atlantic City with computerized Keno when a Nevada Gaming Control agent got access to the drawing program. He used a walkie-talkie to send which 8 numbers to play to his partner in the Keno lounge and also used the first 8 numbers drawn. It’s amazing that the people on the inside don’t know how rare it is for even an 8 spot to hit and it's a certainity that will get close scrutiny by the security people.

                         

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                          I think some.........................ARE......................YES!!!!!!!!! FIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            As long as they do pretests and rotation of the tubes which hold the balls, they're messing around with the natural flow of the semi-chaotic outcome of certain numbers.

                            In an article written in the New York Daily news, a few years ago, revealed why they rotate the tubes. The commisioner himself admitted that the reason was to eliminate any patterns from forming. I held that article in my hand. I also showed it to people around me who claimed that there were no such things as patterns.

                            Oh well, some people are fixated and have no lee-way.... 

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                              i will have to say me and my friend went to a casino in detroit and i seen this with my own eye's, we were playing roulette and the little ball landed on 17 a dead stop on 17 i looked away for 1 sec then the ball jumped and i heard this looked again the ball was on 4 so i asked the dealer that was there how did it do that , she said maybe some one bumbed the table buy those table's are sold and mounted to the floor , i told her no way ther was just the two of us at the table , then she said maybe a ghost  now it would take a earthqauik to move that ball out of it's slot not a table bump which did not happen ,iv never been back to 1 ever since  and if i ever find out the states cheat like this too i'll never play again , i do play the mm cuz its 50/50 on the money if i never win o well my money that i but in 50% will help people go to collage and thats worth ever penny but i will never go to a casino again unless they pay me lol.