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# Is There A Profitable Pick 3 Strategy?

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The Carolinas - Charlotte
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CPS10, as promised I would research out Grid, I found a couple post that went into Grids explanation, One of which is the following: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/142765/2. How are these grids numbers generated? More importantly, I read in the last recorded total by you that you had a negative return of over -\$1500, then you stopped recording the result in the post. Do you hve more data that supported the profitability. Are there other post that I should look at that will demonstrate that it will more money than I would spend, even if it took 20, 50  or a 100 draws to do so. However, I should have rules that mathematically prove that it will take X number of draws within a mean factor to receive a profit, otherwise, 4 or 5 hits in a row does not proof that a system is profitable over the long haul. There are several methods that can hit multiple draws consecutively but they each come up short for profitability.

Now, I guess I will look up Lucky's system ....Hopefully, it has the magic pill. Does anyone have the appropriate link that gives an a solid explanation.

WSN1

I quit tracking the Grids because it became very time consuming to do so. If I had been playing them, though, I would continue to track and I would have made profits. I use progressive wagering to ensure my profits with any system that I use. Right now I am using a max out system, in which I play pairs that are out to their max skip rate and play them straight using a progression. It's worked very well. Mathematics, assuming all lotteries are fair, do not lie. Eventually numbers must come in and WIN D has shown that with the original Grids systems. You can set the bar anywhere you want it...30 days, 45 days, 60 days and play it that way, but at some point in time, you will hit your mark.

One of the keys to successful lottery winnings is your bankroll. Without the properly funded bankroll, no system flawed or flawless will allow you to win in the long run.

If you ask me about the concept that WIN D has posted about tall stacks of doubles, just use your discretion. 3 doubles in a row is a lot. 4 is even rarer, and so on. If you want to start with a benchmark of 6 doubles before playing, by all means do it. But don't have a \$30 bankroll and expect to get a profit long-term. It just ain't gonna happen. And also a \$7.50 return on \$30 is much more than the bank is going to give you in the year...or a 5-year period for that matter.

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Let me give you a hint at what I am looking at Wsn1.

Not using just the 500 draws you looked at in AZ.... but looking at ALL ....2,664 draws yes?

I found only 3 times during the entire AZ history that doubles occurred ....5 times in a row!

There has never been an occurrence in AZ of 6 doubles in a row.

Let's stop and look at this for a while before you Mathematically dismiss anything shall we?  LOL

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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numbers will hit exact order the following eight
ways in each part.

doing each part separately you will have 125 exact
order plays without expansion on each position 1 2 or 3

Track for exact order play for the eight positions
in each part.

Make your best choice for exact order.
With 125 plays you know the math to get it right
for profit.
Other wise do filtering to cut the amount of plays

even 02468
odd  13579

eee,eeo,eoe,oee
ooo,ooe,oeo,eoo
________________________

low  01234
high 56789

lll,llh,lhl,hll
hhh,hhl,hlh,lhh

Using both exact order selections having
both parts exact you will have 27 max
exact order plays without expansion
on each position 1 2 or 3

ooe
hll
510
732
9_4

low even  024
low odds  13
high even 68
high odds 579

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Let me give you a hint at what I am looking at Wsn1.

Not using just the 500 draws you looked at in AZ.... but looking at ALL ....2,664 draws yes?

I found only 3 times during the entire AZ history that doubles occurred ....5 times in a row!

There has never been an occurrence in AZ of 6 doubles in a row.

Let's stop and look at this for a while before you Mathematically dismiss anything shall we?  LOL

WIN D

That is correct. 100% of every occurrence when there were 5 doubles in a row in AZ, a single came out. Those are great odds.

That msg you sent to me is absolutely correct from my software.

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numbers will hit exact order the following eight
ways in each part.

doing each part separately you will have 125 exact
order plays without expansion on each position 1 2 or 3

Track for exact order play for the eight positions
in each part.

Make your best choice for exact order.
With 125 plays you know the math to get it right
for profit.
Other wise do filtering to cut the amount of plays

even 02468
odd  13579

eee,eeo,eoe,oee
ooo,ooe,oeo,eoo
________________________

low  01234
high 56789

lll,llh,lhl,hll
hhh,hhl,hlh,lhh

Using both exact order selections having
both parts exact you will have 27 max
exact order plays without expansion
on each position 1 2 or 3

ooe
hll
510
732
9_4

low even  024
low odds  13
high even 68
high odds 579

John

This is very intriguing. So you are showing that there are 64 different combinations for the 1000-number set?

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cps10

If that what it figures out to be. I have not done the math on that.

If you want to track both parts at the same time I use this.
It is coded similiar to v-tracs but laid out differently with the numbers.

Just a matter of choosing the correct group and how it fell exact.

It is laid out  breaking up the even/odd, hi/ lo a bit further.

c
o
d
e] lot #s
1] 13
2] 024
5] 579
6] 68

no match code

________2lo1 1hi___1 ev 2 od
125__015,017,019,125,127,129
_____145,147,149,035,037,039
_____235,237,239,345,347,349

________2lo 1 hi___2 ev 1 od
126__016,018,126,128,146,148
_____036,038,236,238,346,348

________1lo 2 hi___1 ev 2 od
156__156,158,167,178,169,189
_____356,358,367,378,369,389

________1lo 2 hi___2 ev 1 od
256__056,058,067,078,069,089
_____256,258,267,278,269,289
_____456,458,467,478,469,489

double code

________3lo______1 ev 2 od
112__011,013,033,112,114,123
_____134,233,334

________2lo 1 hi______3 od
115__115,117,119,135,137,139
_____335,337,339

________2lo 1 hi___1 ev 2 od
116__116,118,136,138,336,338

________3lo______2 ev 1 od
122__001,012,014,122,124,144
_____003,023,034,223,234,344

________1lo 2 hi______3 od
155__155,157,159,177,179,199
_____355,357,359,377,379,399

________1lo 2 hi___2 ev 1 od
166__166,168,188,366,368,388

________2lo 1 hi___2 ev 1 od
225__005,007,009,025,027,029
_____045,047,049,225,227,229
_____245,247,249,445,447,449

________2lo 1 hi______3 ev
226__006,008,026,028,046,048
_____226,228,246,248,446,448

________1lo 2 hi___1 ev 2 od
255__055,057,059,077,079,099
_____255,257,259,277,279,299
_____455,457,459,477,479,499

________1lo 2 hi______3 ev
266__066,068,088,266,268,288
_____466,468,488

________ 3 hi______1 ev 2 od
556__556,558,567,578,569,589
_____677,778,679,789,699,899

________ 3 hi______2 ev 1 od
566__566,568,588,667,678,788
_____669,689,889

trip code

________3lo______3 od
111__111,113,133,333

________3lo______3 ev
222__000,002,004,022,024
_____044,222,224,244,444

________3 hi______3 od
555__555,557,559,577,579
_____599,777,779,799,999

________3 hi___3 ev
666__666,668,688,888

Combo Report for SC3EVE EV-OD HI-LO DMG:
01-14-2007      380 Records

COMBO    Hits
----------------------
2 2 5      45
1 2 5      41
2 5 6      40
1 2 6      31
2 5 5      29
1 5 6      27
1 5 5      24
5 5 6      21
1 2 2      21
5 6 6      17
1 1 5      17
2 6 6      15
2 2 6      13
1 1 2      12
2 2 2        8
1 1 6        6
1 6 6        5
1 1 1        3
5 5 5        3
6 6 6        2

This is an shot of the 225 code how it fell exact

Record    Date    Pos1 Pos2 Pos3 Pos4  Matched  Skips
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3  01/03/2006  5    2    2          3      2
4  01/04/2006  2    2    5          3      0
8  01/08/2006  5    2    2          3      3
18  01/18/2006  5    2    2          3      9
32  02/01/2006  2    2    5          3      13
36  02/05/2006  2    2    5          3      3
43  02/12/2006  2    2    5          3      6
49  02/18/2006  2    5    2          3      5
57  02/26/2006  2    5    2          3      7
63  03/04/2006  5    2    2          3      5
70  03/11/2006  2    2    5          3      6
81  03/22/2006  2    2    5          3      10
85  03/26/2006  5    2    2          3      3
87  03/28/2006  2    5    2          3      1
89  03/30/2006  2    5    2          3      1
92  04/02/2006  2    2    5          3      2
107  04/17/2006  5    2    2          3      14
118  04/28/2006  5    2    2          3      10
119  04/29/2006  5    2    2          3      0
141  05/22/2006  2    2    5          3      21
152  06/02/2006  2    5    2          3      10
162  06/12/2006  5    2    2          3      9
171  06/21/2006  5    2    2          3      8
179  06/29/2006  5    2    2          3      7
200  07/20/2006  2    2    5          3      20
201  07/21/2006  2    2    5          3      0
204  07/24/2006  2    5    2          3      2
208  07/28/2006  2    2    5          3      3
212  08/01/2006  2    5    2          3      3
218  08/07/2006  2    5    2          3      5
230  08/18/2006  2    5    2          3      11
235  08/23/2006  2    5    2          3      4
245  09/02/2006  2    2    5          3      9
256  09/12/2006  2    2    5          3      10
284  10/09/2006  2    2    5          3      27
291  10/16/2006  2    2    5          3      6
298  10/23/2006  2    5    2          3      6
308  11/02/2006  5    2    2          3      9
318  11/12/2006  2    5    2          3      9
341  12/05/2006  5    2    2          3      22
342  12/06/2006  2    5    2          3      0
350  12/14/2006  2    2    5          3      7
354  12/18/2006  5    2    2          3      3
355  12/19/2006  5    2    2          3      0
377  01/10/2007  2    2    5          3      21

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John,

Yes, that's 8 one way (E/O) and 8 another (H/L), so 64 :) 27 numbers is the most that these produce. Would be interesting to put these in and find max skips and the like. I bet you could clean up playing these straight.

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Let me give you a hint at what I am looking at Wsn1.

Not using just the 500 draws you looked at in AZ.... but looking at ALL ....2,664 draws yes?

I found only 3 times during the entire AZ history that doubles occurred ....5 times in a row!

There has never been an occurrence in AZ of 6 doubles in a row.

Let's stop and look at this for a while before you Mathematically dismiss anything shall we?  LOL

Gosh! WIN D, I will shout this on the mountain top, my humble apologizes, I was checking the column in my spreadsheet for v-tracs doubles and not single digit doubles. You are CORRECT. Hooray!!!. I checked a 1,000 draws in TX from 6/23 - 9/1/06 and there 4 occurrences where the double hit 4 consecutives times and was followed by a single and 1 occurrence where it was followed by another double. 80% success rate, with a 5% occurrence history and a 20% rate of return. I also agree now that the odd are in your favor here, that you can use for progressive wagering on the miss and get paid. However, as you stated this is only viable online. Are there any strategy offline that is profitable or any other options you have found which are successful online.

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Gosh! WIN D, I will shout this on the mountain top, my humble apologizes, I was checking the column in my spreadsheet for v-tracs doubles and not single digit doubles. You are CORRECT. Hooray!!!. I checked a 1,000 draws in TX from 6/23 - 9/1/06 and there 4 occurrences where the double hit 4 consecutives times and was followed by a single and 1 occurrence where it was followed by another double. 80% success rate, with a 5% occurrence history and a 20% rate of return. I also agree now that the odd are in your favor here, that you can use for progressive wagering on the miss and get paid. However, as you stated this is only viable online. Are there any strategy offline that is profitable or any other options you have found which are successful online.

WSN1

Use a similar type of path for offline. I look for numbers that are at their maximum skip rate and play them altogether straight.

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cps10, thanks for the update on Grids. Where is the link for WIN D's original Grid system? After making a correction in my evaluation, I find that the 4 double stack is the best approach and I agree it all depends on your bankroll and this is better than the bank return and works only for online play. Does the Grid setting for 30, 45 or 60 days work offline?

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cps10, thanks for the update on Grids. Where is the link for WIN D's original Grid system? After making a correction in my evaluation, I find that the 4 double stack is the best approach and I agree it all depends on your bankroll and this is better than the bank return and works only for online play. Does the Grid setting for 30, 45 or 60 days work offline?

WSN1

You bet...anytime :) Look in WIN D's blog. It should be in there. I do love that 4 doubles stack approach as well for online play.

I think for online play the 45 day approach works optimally. For offline, since the payout is lower, I would recommend 60 days.

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WSN1

Use a similar type of path for offline. I look for numbers that are at their maximum skip rate and play them altogether straight.

cps10,"Maximum Skip Rate" that is a new parameter for me within skip tracking. How do you determine if a number is at it's max. skip rate. Are you talking about  when a group combos have each reached it's longest out, then you play it til it hits? if so, are their any other details on this evaluation on the site, is this also part of the Original Grid system or different. Im looking for % of occurrences, approximate # of combination, overall success rate, otherwise, just the rules, then I can find these stats for myself

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John,

Yes, that's 8 one way (E/O) and 8 another (H/L), so 64 :) 27 numbers is the most that these produce. Would be interesting to put these in and find max skips and the like. I bet you could clean up playing these straight.

__________________________________________

I Have these back one year in the eve draw to find my stats.

When I was posting exact order pairs on The S.C. thread this is where I was pulling my info from.

Possibly a different code system as I have tried a few.

This is position 1 and 2

Pair Report for SC3EVE EV-OD HI-LO CD .DMG:  Straight Pairs
Positions 1 and 2      01-14-2007      380 Records
Hit      Hit        Current      Skip      Most
PAIR      Hits      Avg    Median      Skips      Avg      Out
-------------------------------------------------------------------
2 5        41      9.3      8        2        8.2      35
5 2        41      9.3      7        5        8.1      48
2 2        36      10.6      6        3        9.5      41
5 1        34      11.2      6        11        9.9      45
5 6        31      12.3      8        7        11.0      56
1 2        25      15.2      11        0        14.2      38
2 6        24      15.8      12        4        14.7      75
6 2        23      16.5      13        1        15.5      64
5 5        22      17.3      11        13        15.7      69
6 5        19      20.0      16        46        16.6      49
1 5        18      21.1      13        42        17.8      107
2 1        17      22.4      23        10        20.8      49
6 6        14      27.1      19        52        22.4      70
6 1        12      31.7      24        54        26.2      76
1 6        12      31.7      29        36        27.7      59
1 1        11      34.5      32        68

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Well Im not the only one that has found even more flaws in this method. js1237 has proven that this method should not even get out of the starting blocks. Please, I suggest that no one play this method unless they can prove otherwise from what I and js1237 has found. You will lose your money and that's not funny!

Well WSn1 .....I just noticed this post you made about "flaws" You are not the only one that has found "flaws"? What the hell flaw did he find ?

He said...." this was Risky" .....  and you said " This Has proved"???  LOL  You gotta be kidding !

... if you think that saying something like ... "OH thats soooo  scary...or risky"  is enough to satisfy any mathematical investigation . That is funny.

Thats not math...! and its certainly not proof of any fact.

Until you can disprove anything with hard facts ..... I wouldn't go around warning off people the sky was falling.....on anyone's attempts to help you answer your original question.

Do you really think someone just saying the word ... " Risky" was proof ?  .....or supports anything?  What is that?

That's not funny either.  There is nothing funny...or logical in that .  These folks are not children here and don't need your help forming their own opinions.

you said....

Please, I suggest that no one play this method unless they can prove otherwise from what I and js1237 has found. You will lose your money and that's not funny!

And another thing.... you issued your all points bulletin before you even allowed anyone the courtesy of reviewing your " HOLY" edicts ....and warning commandments to the world.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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This is very interesting...are there any that are at max now?

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