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Posted: May 12, 2007, 2:04 pm - IP Logged

I agree, although it's still not called a monopoly.  If you want DSL in this area, you have to choose one company.  Same with the cable tv and broadband.  They pretty much dictate what you can and cannot do and the prices just increase without any explanation. 

Thank God Embarq came to the rescue. I don't use CON Cast for DSL any longer. Unfortunately, I have to use them for cable TV.

I went online to see if Dish TV had any specials. But it was still regular prices. The funny thing is that about a week after I partially registered online with Dish TV, and left the site in disgust, I received a letter from them which had specials if I chose to hook up with them. Funny what desperation does to people...LOL They changed their tune real quick! 

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    I'LL DO IT!  I WANNA BE HEARD.  LET US BEGIN THE BEGIN! 

    To my fellow-Californians,

        You know we got the most expensive gas prices.  No local politician is talking about it.  So we, THE PEOPLE, got to start talking about it. 

           Mad                 Rant                 Cussing Face   

    The California NOT have the most expensive gas prices (check Hawaii). Research before making such a claim.

    As a person who beleives in viewing the entire situation from a rational stand point lets break this scenario down.

    On average its the jet trans, buses, trucking industry , police cars, fire trucks, delivery vans, that use up the gas and will continue to do so. Go tell a fire truck he cant fuel up because someone on the internet is trying to create an embargo against the oil industry. Go tell the ambulance driver who is dispatched to your house for your parent or relative.

    Most folks only see how THEY can benefit by this preposterious idea wthout realizing that OTHER INDUSTRIES must rely on the oil to support there means. So next time , do as some posters suggested. Find alternative long term resources instead of thinking a one day ban is going to amount to a 10% reduction in gas.

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      The California NOT have the most expensive gas prices (check Hawaii). Research before making such a claim.

      As a person who beleives in viewing the entire situation from a rational stand point lets break this scenario down.

      On average its the jet trans, buses, trucking industry , police cars, fire trucks, delivery vans, that use up the gas and will continue to do so. Go tell a fire truck he cant fuel up because someone on the internet is trying to create an embargo against the oil industry. Go tell the ambulance driver who is dispatched to your house for your parent or relative.

      Most folks only see how THEY can benefit by this preposterious idea wthout realizing that OTHER INDUSTRIES must rely on the oil to support there means. So next time , do as some posters suggested. Find alternative long term resources instead of thinking a one day ban is going to amount to a 10% reduction in gas.

      I Agree!

      It's the same with paper products and recycling.  Businesses and industrial plants create most of the waste.  Anyone who has worked in an office knows that many wastebaskets are emptied every day.  I only empty my trash once a week and hardly fill up a small can. 

      In FL we have water restrictions and the drought is getting worse by the day.  Now the news is reporting that the air we are breathing might not be healthful (as if that's new!) because of the smoke from the brush fires.  Anyway, FL is the land of golf courses, more than any state in the country (over 1,200) so you know who is using up all the water, although many are using recycled water.  Still, because they are businesses (like a car wash, restaurant or any other business that depends on water) they do not have to follow the same guidelines as a homeowner.  I don't really have a lawn, so I don't care. LOL   

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        this idea has good intentions,but the only way to make this work would be to tell everyone "look we wont buy gas for2 days ex sat and sun.o.k. wherever you tank is fill up from there.why the weekend because a large majority of people have the weekend off so they can make it 2 days on a full tank.next or first thursday all the license plate # that start with an even # fill up at the gas stations,and fri all the odd # license plate # go that way we all wont be at the pumps together.Hey it could work and yes the oil companies would feel this if its continued once a week.

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          Posted: May 12, 2007, 6:32 pm - IP Logged

          I beg to differ. Whenever a person doesen't have a choice in picking a different source to get their goods or services, it's called a monopoly. Whether this country allows monopolies or not, the oil companies are somehow getting away with it.

          When I go to the store shopping for beer, there are dozens to choose from.....LOL.

          I beg to differ on your differ, Exxon, Mobile, Sunoco, Texaco, the independents, BP, Citgo Venezuelan Gas, Shell, Conoco, ETC. ad infinitum, are one company?, and you don't have a choice on what to buy?  Huh? That is the planet Borkan you're thinking about.  Just buy Citgo gas and that way you can help out Hugo, I'm sure he would appreciate it. Hugo should have a monopoly soon,  I know people down there, you go to jail 4 years minimum if you speak up against the burgeoning communist state.

          [] Primary characteristics of a monopoly

          • Single Seller: For a pure monopoly to take place, only one company can be selling the good. A company can have a monopoly on certain goods and not on other goods.
          • No close substitutes: Monopoly is not merely the state of having a unique or recognizable product, but also that there are no close substitutes available for the function the good fills.
          • Price maker: Because a single firm controls the total supply in a pure monopoly, it is able to exert a significant degree of control over the price by changing the quantity supplied.
          • Significant Barrier of Entry: In a monopoly, it is usually harder for other firms to get into the industry to provide the same goods or services as the company who is already the dominant firm of the industry.

          The futures markets and supply/demand sets the price for gas and beer, down at the corner beer gas n' go.  Also you have the choice not to buy anything if you no wanna.

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            The futures markets and supply/demand sets the price for gas and beer, down at the corner beer gas n' go.  Also you have the choice not to buy anything if you no wanna.

             

            I'm not arguing with you, just asking...are you saying we have a choice about buying fuel?  I know we don't have to buy beer, but most people need a car to get to work, and a lot of people use oil to heat their homes.  I do have a couple of neighbors who told me the same thing.  They collect a check from the government and drink beer all day instead of working, so they don't need to buy gas. (of course that cheap beer probably gives them plenty of it.)  Some other people said the same thing about how I waste money on a nice car, insurance payments and gas.  We live in a similar home, but they keep telling me how their expenses are much less, as if I have an elaborate lifestyle. (Oh, they always asks me for a ride.)

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              The futures markets and supply/demand sets the price for gas and beer, down at the corner beer gas n' go.  Also you have the choice not to buy anything if you no wanna.

               

              I'm not arguing with you, just asking...are you saying we have a choice about buying fuel?  I know we don't have to buy beer, but most people need a car to get to work, and a lot of people use oil to heat their homes.  I do have a couple of neighbors who told me the same thing.  They collect a check from the government and drink beer all day instead of working, so they don't need to buy gas. (of course that cheap beer probably gives them plenty of it.)  Some other people said the same thing about how I waste money on a nice car, insurance payments and gas.  We live in a similar home, but they keep telling me how their expenses are much less, as if I have an elaborate lifestyle. (Oh, they always asks me for a ride.)

              In my community, you have the choice to ride the bus or bike to work, or carpool.  But the real savings, I think, would come from combining errand trips and limiting joy riding.  I know so many people who spend weekends driving all over the valley.  Run to the grocery store and run home to put them away.  Then jump back in the car and run to the mall.  Later get bored and jump back in the car and run to the video store or pet store or go yard saling or whatever.  Then the next day they drive 3 hours to the state line to gamble at the casino instead of riding the (cheap) casino bus.

              I agree it's nearly impossible to do without a car in our culture, but people can plan their trips and get everything done at once.  I think they'd be surprised at how much they save, and if most people chipped in just a little, they could make a big difference.

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                Jarasan

                "I beg to differ on your differ, Exxon, Mobile, Sunoco, Texaco, the independents, BP, Citgo Venezuelan Gas, Shell, Conoco, ETC. ad infinitum, are one company?,"

                What about "the company" that supplies them, OPEC? You don't consider that "one company"? 

                In essence maybe you could say they are one company.  If you, Justxploing, and I decided to knock over a 7-11 we would be common crooks. If you were Exxon, she was Mobil, and I was Sunoco and we said, "Let's gouge everyone who fills up tomorrow and extra 12 cents a gallon", then we're doing a good job as execs, pleasing the shareholders, and insuring our own bonuses.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                  I beg to differ on your differ, Exxon, Mobile, Sunoco, Texaco, the independents, BP, Citgo Venezuelan Gas, Shell, Conoco, ETC. ad infinitum, are one company?, and you don't have a choice on what to buy?  Huh? That is the planet Borkan you're thinking about.  Just buy Citgo gas and that way you can help out Hugo, I'm sure he would appreciate it. Hugo should have a monopoly soon,  I know people down there, you go to jail 4 years minimum if you speak up against the burgeoning communist state.

                  [] Primary characteristics of a monopoly

                  • Single Seller: For a pure monopoly to take place, only one company can be selling the good. A company can have a monopoly on certain goods and not on other goods.
                  • No close substitutes: Monopoly is not merely the state of having a unique or recognizable product, but also that there are no close substitutes available for the function the good fills.
                  • Price maker: Because a single firm controls the total supply in a pure monopoly, it is able to exert a significant degree of control over the price by changing the quantity supplied.
                  • Significant Barrier of Entry: In a monopoly, it is usually harder for other firms to get into the industry to provide the same goods or services as the company who is already the dominant firm of the industry.

                  The futures markets and supply/demand sets the price for gas and beer, down at the corner beer gas n' go.  Also you have the choice not to buy anything if you no wanna.

                  Isn't it obvious to you that we don't have a choice? I can't understand why you don't see that.

                  Just like cointoss said, it all comes from one bandit.

                   You must be one of those share holders.

                  Also..you have those creeps down in Wall street. Those traders who cause turmoil whenever any little crisis presents itself in the world. Ohhhhhhhh!...Iran is going to MAYBE start something...let's go and scare the world. Don't you see the corruption? It's all a game man! It's all about the mighty dollar, and there's nothing you, me or anyone with little power able to turn things around unless there's a revolution.

                  You don't think the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, the Rockerfellers, the Rothchilds of this world aren't sitting around in a room dictating how our lives are to be led?

                  Please...take the blue pill, and open your eyes...LOL 

                  http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societies/Groups/The_Bilderberg_Group/bilderberg_group

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                    You don't have a choice, because you believe you don't have choice, but you do. 

                    You chose the blue pill, and you are driving and buying fuel because you CHOOSE to. 

                    Gas is a commodity like water, milk, wheat, whatever. A barrel of oil doesn't just give you gas, it gives you the pick you use to rock, the plastic pick guard, the knobs and switches of your guitar. It is a long list the stuff that comes from a barrel of oil. The computer you type on would not be possible without oil. The balls the lottery uses come from oil! 

                    You are confusing conspiracy theories with economic terms.  One of the basic facets of a monopoly is no competition.  The reason I bring in the communist Hugo Chavez is that he is allowed to do business here, a lot of people decided not to buy gas from Citgo,  and Hugo's business started apologizing and giving away heating oil. And, if we had a monoploy here, external competition would not be allowed. Remember, at one time tulips ruled economies.

                    My eyes have been open a least a couple of days now.

                    People who believe that a group of people is dictating how they should live in the US are paranoid. 

                    Now if you want to live in a place where they do dictate the way you should live,  then check out a move to a place like Iran, Saudia Arabia, Cuba, Venezuela or China. I've been to Saudi Arabia, I couldn't find any Led Zeppelin, Gwen Stefani, or Heineken on the shelves at the local sook.  Tell you what though, gas was cheap, about 30 cents a liter.

                    You will find that in these places (and there are many others), the man WILL keep you down.  And if you are woman even worse.

                    In this country (and many others), a person can do anything or nothing and blame whoever or whatever for their woes, it is their choice.

                    Bill Gates is not my hero, but he wasn't a Rockefeller or Bilderberg, he was a college drop out.  He gives away literally hundreds of millions of dollars, his choice.

                    There are many like Bill Gates, take for eg. George Soros, immigrant from nothing to billionaire, Ben & Jerry's ice cream (they have a monopoly on Cherry Garcia!).  Anyway LOL jarasan.

                    Music for the moment:

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                      Jarasan

                      "I beg to differ on your differ, Exxon, Mobile, Sunoco, Texaco, the independents, BP, Citgo Venezuelan Gas, Shell, Conoco, ETC. ad infinitum, are one company?,"

                      What about "the company" that supplies them, OPEC? You don't consider that "one company"? 

                      In essence maybe you could say they are one company.  If you, Justxploing, and I decided to knock over a 7-11 we would be common crooks. If you were Exxon, she was Mobil, and I was Sunoco and we said, "Let's gouge everyone who fills up tomorrow and extra 12 cents a gallon", then we're doing a good job as execs, pleasing the shareholders, and insuring our own bonuses.

                      The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is an international organization made up of Iraq, Indonesia, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Angola, Algeria, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela. The Vienna-based organization has maintained its headquarters there since 1965, hosting regular meetings between the oil ministers of its member states. The organization is considered a cartel by many observers [1] [2].

                      The principle aim of the organization, according to its Statute, is the determination of the best means for safeguarding their interests, individually and collectively; devising ways and means of ensuring the stabilization of prices in international oil markets with a view to eliminating harmful and unnecessary fluctuations; giving due regard at all times to the interests of the producing nations and to the necessity of securing a steady income to the producing countries; an efficient, economic and regular supply of petroleum to consuming nations, and a fair return on their capital to those investing in the petroleum industry."[3]

                      OPEC's influence on the market has not always been a stabilizing one. It alarmed the world and triggered high inflation across both the developing and developed world through its use of the oil weapon in the 1973 oil crisis. Its ability to control the price of oil has diminished somewhat since then, due to the subsequent discovery and development of large oil reserves in the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea, the opening up of Russia, and market modernization. OPEC nations still account for two-thirds of the world's oil reserves, and, in 2005, 41.7% of the world's oil production, affording them considerable control over the global market. The next largest group of producers, members of the OECD and the Post-Soviet states produced only 23.8% and 14.8%, respectively, of the world's total oil production. [4] However, in August 2004, OPEC began communicating that its members had little excess pumping capacity, indicating that the cartel was losing influence over crude oil prices.[citation needed]


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                        You don't have a choice, because you believe you don't have choice, but you do. 

                        You chose the blue pill, and you are driving and buying fuel because you CHOOSE to. 

                        Gas is a commodity like water, milk, wheat, whatever. A barrel of oil doesn't just give you gas, it gives you the pick you use to rock, the plastic pick guard, the knobs and switches of your guitar. It is a long list the stuff that comes from a barrel of oil. The computer you type on would not be possible without oil. The balls the lottery uses come from oil! 

                        You are confusing conspiracy theories with economic terms.  One of the basic facets of a monopoly is no competition.  The reason I bring in the communist Hugo Chavez is that he is allowed to do business here, a lot of people decided not to buy gas from Citgo,  and Hugo's business started apologizing and giving away heating oil. And, if we had a monoploy here, external competition would not be allowed. Remember, at one time tulips ruled economies.

                        My eyes have been open a least a couple of days now.

                        People who believe that a group of people is dictating how they should live in the US are paranoid. 

                        Now if you want to live in a place where they do dictate the way you should live,  then check out a move to a place like Iran, Saudia Arabia, Cuba, Venezuela or China. I've been to Saudi Arabia, I couldn't find any Led Zeppelin, Gwen Stefani, or Heineken on the shelves at the local sook.  Tell you what though, gas was cheap, about 30 cents a liter.

                        You will find that in these places (and there are many others), the man WILL keep you down.  And if you are woman even worse.

                        In this country (and many others), a person can do anything or nothing and blame whoever or whatever for their woes, it is their choice.

                        Bill Gates is not my hero, but he wasn't a Rockefeller or Bilderberg, he was a college drop out.  He gives away literally hundreds of millions of dollars, his choice.

                        There are many like Bill Gates, take for eg. George Soros, immigrant from nothing to billionaire, Ben & Jerry's ice cream (they have a monopoly on Cherry Garcia!).  Anyway LOL jarasan.

                        Music for the moment:

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB_G_0fKV5M&mode=related&search=

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                          You don't have a choice, because you believe you don't have choice, but you do. 

                          You chose the blue pill, and you are driving and buying fuel because you CHOOSE to. 

                          Gas is a commodity like water, milk, wheat, whatever. A barrel of oil doesn't just give you gas, it gives you the pick you use to rock, the plastic pick guard, the knobs and switches of your guitar. It is a long list the stuff that comes from a barrel of oil. The computer you type on would not be possible without oil. The balls the lottery uses come from oil! 

                          You are confusing conspiracy theories with economic terms.  One of the basic facets of a monopoly is no competition.  The reason I bring in the communist Hugo Chavez is that he is allowed to do business here, a lot of people decided not to buy gas from Citgo,  and Hugo's business started apologizing and giving away heating oil. And, if we had a monoploy here, external competition would not be allowed. Remember, at one time tulips ruled economies.

                          My eyes have been open a least a couple of days now.

                          People who believe that a group of people is dictating how they should live in the US are paranoid. 

                          Now if you want to live in a place where they do dictate the way you should live,  then check out a move to a place like Iran, Saudia Arabia, Cuba, Venezuela or China. I've been to Saudi Arabia, I couldn't find any Led Zeppelin, Gwen Stefani, or Heineken on the shelves at the local sook.  Tell you what though, gas was cheap, about 30 cents a liter.

                          You will find that in these places (and there are many others), the man WILL keep you down.  And if you are woman even worse.

                          In this country (and many others), a person can do anything or nothing and blame whoever or whatever for their woes, it is their choice.

                          Bill Gates is not my hero, but he wasn't a Rockefeller or Bilderberg, he was a college drop out.  He gives away literally hundreds of millions of dollars, his choice.

                          There are many like Bill Gates, take for eg. George Soros, immigrant from nothing to billionaire, Ben & Jerry's ice cream (they have a monopoly on Cherry Garcia!).  Anyway LOL jarasan.

                          Music for the moment:

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB_G_0fKV5M&mode=related&search=

                          Whatever...You can go your own way....Good luck, and a healthy life. Everyone has an opinion.

                          We should debate more often.....LOL


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                            I agree with you on all counts.  The oil companies are literally the biggest, richest companies in the world.  Think of the power they wield.  They can do anything they want, because they have the resources to do it.

                            I absolutely believe they have purposely held back on technologies that would provide cheap energy.  Not just cars -- homes and businesses too.

                            I think they're stumped on how to make a lot of money off of renewable energy sources.

                            Therefore, I don't think they will ever drive the next big inventions.  It's going to have to come from battery technology, IMHO.  Once researchers discover how to store and deliver much more energy from small batteries, that will force the oil companies to do something to compete -- and that something has got to be alternative energy supplies.

                            But who really can tell?

                            they have purposely held back on technologies

                            You speak the truth Todd.

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                              Okay I won't buy gas on the 15th,,,,but just to let you know I only buy gas one day a week,,,so am I really boycotting the oil companies?

                              Why don't we all (I am talking about the USA) pick a company to boycott for a month,,,Exxon/Mobile, BP, Shell....A different one every month,,,,just to see how far the damage goes...I heard this somewhere,,,and it made alot more sense to me than just a one day boycott...

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