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Are you interested to support Wheel Generator? If so, what is the price you are willing to invest?

No, I have already what I need. [ 19 ]  [34.55%]
Maybe, depends on how good the system claims to be [ 12 ]  [21.82%]
Yes, but should be given away for free. [ 10 ]  [18.18%]
Yes, but I don't want to comment on pricing yet. [ 4 ]  [7.27%]
Yes, I'm willing to offer around 5€ maximum. [ 2 ]  [3.64%]
Yes, I'm willing to offer around 5€-10€ at most. [ 1 ]  [1.82%]
Yes, I'm willing to offer around 10€-20€. [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Yes, more than 20€. Included features worth it. [ 4 ]  [7.27%]
Nothing of the above. Please post your thoughts. [ 3 ]  [5.45%]
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Posted: October 1, 2007, 11:04 am - IP Logged

"Lottery software written for sale is designed so that different users will not all get the same results, even when working with the same data. What this does is give the program a greater chance of producing a winner (and a testimonial)... somewhere. "

That is exactly my point, outside of keeping track of data, commercial lottery software in no better than a RNG because its picks are different each time it runs even if the data is the same. 

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Bob,

    some of the lines must be wrong!

     

    5,10,16,18,21,24

    7,12,14,20,22,23

    .....

     

    These and more, have more than one number of the same group!

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      Posted: October 4, 2007, 5:59 pm - IP Logged

      wheeling numbers are only as good as the numbers being wheeled. I hate to wheel numbers.

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        Posted: October 4, 2007, 6:27 pm - IP Logged

        wheeling numbers are only as good as the numbers being wheeled. I hate to wheel numbers.

        Wheels that contain all the winning numbers are generally too big to be affordable.  What's needed is software to analyze lotteries past results and come up with some statistics that aids one in picking a pool of 15 numbers or so that have all the winning numbers 70% of the time or more.

        I doubt if that will ever happen because that's better than those services selling groups of numbers claiming they contains all the winning numbers most of the time.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: October 4, 2007, 7:04 pm - IP Logged

          wheeling numbers are only as good as the numbers being wheeled. I hate to wheel numbers.

          The whole purpose of wheeling is to be able to play more numbers at an affordable cost.  I love wheeling numbers especially when you find those that give multiple prizes.  Hoping lottoarchitect releases his wheel generator with option of multiple prize wheels generation.  Generally wheeling doesn't get your cost back but the wheels that give multiple wins do.

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            Posted: October 4, 2007, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

            The whole purpose of wheeling is to be able to play more numbers at an affordable cost.  I love wheeling numbers especially when you find those that give multiple prizes.  Hoping lottoarchitect releases his wheel generator with option of multiple prize wheels generation.  Generally wheeling doesn't get your cost back but the wheels that give multiple wins do.

            All the wheels anyone would ever need are available right here on LP. Picking the smallest set of good numbers is the key, the full wheels are affordable for small sets, the key and abbreviated wheels are very effective when you are in the neighborhood of 12 to 15 number sets.

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              Posted: October 4, 2007, 11:49 pm - IP Logged

              "Lottery software written for sale is designed so that different users will not all get the same results, even when working with the same data. What this does is give the program a greater chance of producing a winner (and a testimonial)... somewhere. "

              That is exactly my point, outside of keeping track of data, commercial lottery software in no better than a RNG because its picks are different each time it runs even if the data is the same. 

              I think if you looked over the best known lottery software you'd find it about 50/50 whether they give everyone something different or you get exactly the same as everyone else given the same draw history.  For example, Lotto Buster 2010 gives a different prediction with every click.  On the other hand GH and Lottery Director and I believe the current version of Lotto Pro gives everyone using the defaults the same result.  If the most popular wheel is GH's 4if6in18numbers42 combinations and Smart Picks are just clicking 3,4,5,6,7, C,D the reason we don't see hundreds of jackpot winners is both a factor of the software not putting all six winning numbers in its top 18 picks and how far getting 4if6 really is from 6if6.  BobP

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                Posted: October 5, 2007, 12:07 am - IP Logged

                Bob,

                some of the lines must be wrong!

                 

                5,10,16,18,21,24

                7,12,14,20,22,23

                .....

                 

                These and more, have more than one number of the same group!

                You are correct. I ran it again and just got the exact same lines. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.  I asked for no more then one and no less then one number from each group with a 4if6 guarantee.  IV is the tightest generation method.

                Brojevi: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,
                        19,20,21,22,23,24 [24]
                Puni sistem ima 134,596 kombinacija
                Garancija: 4 od 6, IV
                1. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                 1, 2, 3, 4
                2. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                 5, 6, 7, 8
                3. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                 9,10,11,12
                4. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                13,14,15,16
                5. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                17,18,19,20
                6. grupa: 1 broj iz grupe. [4]
                21,22,23,24

                What I asked for isn't impossible so it can't be fixing my mistake or reverting to a default such as one or none from each group, weird.

                I ran it again with generation method III which isn't as tight so it took 77 lines instead of 68, but they look to be free of group cross over.  1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16 17-20 21-24

                 1  5  9 13 17 21
                 1  5  9 16 19 22
                 1  5 10 13 18 24
                 1  5 10 15 19 23
                 1  5 12 14 18 23
                 1  5 12 15 20 24
                 1  6  9 14 18 22
                 1  6  9 16 17 24
                 1  6 11 14 20 21
                 1  6 12 13 19 24
                 1  7  9 15 17 23
                 1  7 10 14 20 23
                 1  7 11 14 19 22
                 1  7 11 16 20 24
                 1  7 12 15 18 21
                 1  8  9 16 18 21
                 1  8 10 16 20 22
                 1  8 11 14 17 23
                 1  8 12 15 17 22
                 2  5  9 14 20 24
                 2  5 10 13 17 23
                 2  5 11 13 18 22
                 2  5 11 16 19 23
                 2  5 12 16 17 22
                 2  6  9 13 18 21
                 2  6 10 14 19 23
                 2  6 10 15 18 22
                 2  6 10 16 17 21
                 2  6 11 14 17 22
                 2  6 12 15 20 23
                 2  7  9 13 19 23
                 2  7  9 16 20 21
                 2  7 10 14 17 24
                 2  7 10 15 19 21
                 2  7 12 13 17 21
                 2  8  9 15 18 24
                 2  8 11 13 17 24
                 2  8 11 14 19 21
                 2  8 12 13 20 22
                 2  8 12 16 19 24
                 3  5 10 16 18 23
                 3  5 11 13 20 21
                 3  5 12 13 17 24
                 3  5 12 14 19 22
                 3  6  9 15 17 22
                 3  6  9 16 19 21
                 3  6 10 16 20 24
                 3  6 11 13 18 24
                 3  6 11 15 19 23
                 3  7  9 16 18 22
                 3  7 10 13 20 22
                 3  7 10 14 18 21
                 3  7 12 14 17 23
                 3  8  9 14 17 24
                 3  8  9 16 20 23
                 3  8 10 15 19 24
                 3  8 11 14 18 22
                 3  8 11 15 17 21
                 3  8 12 13 18 21
                 4  5  9 14 18 21
                 4  5 10 13 19 21
                 4  5 10 14 20 22
                 4  5 11 15 17 24
                 4  5 12 16 20 23
                 4  6  9 14 17 23
                 4  6 10 13 20 23
                 4  6 11 13 17 21
                 4  6 11 16 19 22
                 4  7  9 15 20 22
                 4  7 11 16 18 23
                 4  7 12 13 18 22
                 4  7 12 16 19 21
                 4  8  9 13 19 24
                 4  8 10 13 17 22
                 4  8 10 15 18 23
                 4  8 11 16 20 21
                 4  8 12 14 18 24

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                  Posted: October 5, 2007, 12:37 am - IP Logged

                  I think if you looked over the best known lottery software you'd find it about 50/50 whether they give everyone something different or you get exactly the same as everyone else given the same draw history.  For example, Lotto Buster 2010 gives a different prediction with every click.  On the other hand GH and Lottery Director and I believe the current version of Lotto Pro gives everyone using the defaults the same result.  If the most popular wheel is GH's 4if6in18numbers42 combinations and Smart Picks are just clicking 3,4,5,6,7, C,D the reason we don't see hundreds of jackpot winners is both a factor of the software not putting all six winning numbers in its top 18 picks and how far getting 4if6 really is from 6if6.  BobP

                  I tried both LottoPro and Lotto Buster and I agree LottoPro is a quality piece of software.  My computer crashed a couple of years ago and my copies of both programs were lost.  I got free updates of LottoPro but Lotto Buster wanted to sell their updates.

                  Back in the late '80 I got a copy of a Gail Howard program written in Basic that was saved using the protect feature.  When I learned how to remove the feature,I listed it and wasn't impressed so I started writing my own program.  I'm sure her programs are more sophisticated today, but I never got any of her programs since.

                  I've added all the best features of LottoPro to the program I wrote using GWBasic and added a few ideas of my own so now I use my own program exclusively.  I usually play at least 25 numbers in 20 lines and there aren't any wheels for that many numbers in that few of lines worth using.
                   
                  I really believe creating your own system is the best way to go, then you know exactly what it's doing and why.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    Posted: October 5, 2007, 2:52 pm - IP Logged

                    As far back as I go GH was always written in tight machine code that made a IBM XT run like a pentium. 

                    This wheel has a 99.5% 3if6in25numbers20lines guarantee. It is not a split wheel.

                     1  2  7 12 17 25
                     1  5  7 15 16 18
                     1  6 14 18 20 22
                     1  8 10 11 15 21
                     1  9 14 16 19 23
                     2  3  4 11 16 20
                     2  5  6 10 13 14
                     2  8  9 15 22 24
                     2  8 13 18 19 21
                     3  4  6 12 15 19
                     3  4  9 10 18 25
                     3  5 17 21 22 23
                     4  5  8  9 12 20
                     4  5 11 19 22 25
                     6  7  9 11 13 17
                     6  8 16 21 24 25
                     7 10 12 13 16 22
                     7 10 17 19 20 24
                    11 12 14 18 23 24
                    13 14 15 20 23 25
                    end 20 lines 99.5% (25,6,3,6)=20

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                      As far back as I go GH was always written in tight machine code that made a IBM XT run like a pentium. 

                      This wheel has a 99.5% 3if6in25numbers20lines guarantee. It is not a split wheel.

                       1  2  7 12 17 25
                       1  5  7 15 16 18
                       1  6 14 18 20 22
                       1  8 10 11 15 21
                       1  9 14 16 19 23
                       2  3  4 11 16 20
                       2  5  6 10 13 14
                       2  8  9 15 22 24
                       2  8 13 18 19 21
                       3  4  6 12 15 19
                       3  4  9 10 18 25
                       3  5 17 21 22 23
                       4  5  8  9 12 20
                       4  5 11 19 22 25
                       6  7  9 11 13 17
                       6  8 16 21 24 25
                       7 10 12 13 16 22
                       7 10 17 19 20 24
                      11 12 14 18 23 24
                      13 14 15 20 23 25
                      end 20 lines 99.5% (25,6,3,6)=20

                      BobP

                      amen>>>BobP:

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                      in a VERY honest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........WAY!!!

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                        Posted: October 6, 2007, 6:12 am - IP Logged

                        The whole purpose of wheeling is to be able to play more numbers at an affordable cost.  I love wheeling numbers especially when you find those that give multiple prizes.  Hoping lottoarchitect releases his wheel generator with option of multiple prize wheels generation.  Generally wheeling doesn't get your cost back but the wheels that give multiple wins do.

                        Maryland,

                        that's exactly the L parameter I have mentioned, which defines how many multiple hits of the main category we aim to achieve. Thus for an 4if5 wheel having L=2, if we have 5 correct numbers in our selection we are guaranteed to have at least two 4-hit prizes. The good part of having L>1 wheels is that they generally require fewer lines than doubling the size of the relevant L=1 wheel and also greatly improves lower division multiple hits as I have posted somewhere else.

                        cheers

                        lottoarhcitect 

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                          Posted: October 13, 2007, 1:08 am - IP Logged

                          I wonder why people don't jump in on this, you don't get a chance like this one very often if ever.

                          It is true that there are other wheelers and some are free and also that LP has wheels, but Are they anything like this one?

                          I do hope that Anastasios either sells or gives away this wheeler as a stand alone program. 

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                            Posted: October 18, 2007, 5:59 pm - IP Logged

                            I wonder why people don't jump in on this, you don't get a chance like this one very often if ever.

                            It is true that there are other wheelers and some are free and also that LP has wheels, but Are they anything like this one?

                            I do hope that Anastasios either sells or gives away this wheeler as a stand alone program. 

                            LANTERN:

                            I like people to @ least JUMP in and vote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!

                            I voted MABY,........because YOU really have to put a product on the

                            market based on what other's YOU R UP-AGAINST>>>& U have too

                            advertise or let them know ABOUT the THING .............& what it can 

                            or can't DO for the customer>>>>>>>>>> & what is the reputation  

                            of the  PRODUCER  ?????????????????????  good,  bad,  or  UGLY!!!

                            HAVE any of you bought stuff from ?????   LA ?? did you like IT ?

                            In the meanwhile,..............THANK YOU LA !!!

                            MABY.............   many of the LP member's WILL HELP YOU.

                            LOL

                            PSYKOMO 


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                              Maryland,

                              that's exactly the L parameter I have mentioned, which defines how many multiple hits of the main category we aim to achieve. Thus for an 4if5 wheel having L=2, if we have 5 correct numbers in our selection we are guaranteed to have at least two 4-hit prizes. The good part of having L>1 wheels is that they generally require fewer lines than doubling the size of the relevant L=1 wheel and also greatly improves lower division multiple hits as I have posted somewhere else.

                              cheers

                              lottoarhcitect 

                              This is interesting.

                              I would like to buy a software with those utilities, but only if it is not much expensive.

                              Also, do you have the basic 2if2 and 3if3 systems?

                              I need the basic systems for 18-33 numbers.  

                              Systems that would work with Keno (like the 2if2 system) would be welcome ...