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# Randomness of the lottery

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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ? This is the question ?

 Absolutely random [ 25 ] [40.32%] Not random. [ 12 ] [19.35%] Something fishy going on? [ 14 ] [22.58%] These two lotteries are working together its fixed [ 4 ] [6.45%] Not Sure? [ 7 ] [11.29%] Total Valid Votes [ 62 ] Discarded Votes [ 2 ]
WorldWide
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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

Please view the following 2 lotteries below. Based upon the results Your task is to ask yourself whether you are viewing a random lottery or not.

The months,days and even numbers have been changed BUT NOT THE PATTERN to protect the INNOCENT so not to give away where these drawings were conducted the 2 lottery drawings I am using are REAL and the PATTERN is REAL.

In otherwords if a 12-24 showed in the 1st drawing then a 12-24 showed in the second. The purpose of changing the dates and numbers is only to hide the identeties of the two lotterys so no one knows which two lotteries I am using. BUT AGAIN THE PATTERN IS REAL!

It could be the Japan lotto with the Uk or the Oklahoma lotto and the China lotto or any two lotteries anywhere somewhere in the world? Is this a random pattern?

IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

1st drawing  (Somewhere in the World)

Lotto 10-03-2007 8, 12, 28, 30, 31, 45

Lotto 10-05-2007 9, 12, 28, 30, 32, 49

Lotto 10-07-2007 5, 9, 16, 24, 34, 44

Lotto 10-10-2007 8, 12, 14, 30, 36, 49

Lotto 10-12-2007 9, 10, 13, 35, 37, 40

Lotto 10-14-2007 10, 15, 16, 21, 25, 31

Lotto 10-17-2007 9, 24, 30, 31, 32, 45

Lotto 10-19-2007 1, 8, 30, 31, 32, 45

Lotto 10-21-2007 6, 14, 28, 29, 38, 43

Lotto 10-24-2007 5, 8, 11, 24, 29, 39

Lotto 10-26-2007 1, 4, 10, 28, 39, 49   no match

Lotto 10-28-2007 12, 15, 19, 35, 42, 45

Lotto 10-31-2007 17, 25, 31, 35, 39, 43

Lotto 10-03-2007 8, 10, 23, 32, 44, 49

Lotto 11-05-2007 2, 4, 19, 20, 34, 40

Lotto 11-08-2007 10, 12, 14, 34, 36, 42

Lotto 11-10-2007 6, 27, 33, 35, 42, 43

Lotto 11-13-2007 2, 4, 11, 16, 41, 42

Lotto 11-16-2007 8, 10, 11, 19, 41, 42

Lotto 11-19-2007 14, 16, 31, 35, 38, 39

2nd drawing (Somewhere in the World)

Lotto 10-04-2007 2, 3, 5, 7, 28, 45

Lotto 10-06-2007 5, 12, 24, 28, 30, 36

Lotto 10-08-2007 25, 31, 36, 40, 44, 46

Lotto 10-11-2007 2, 21, 23, 30, 39, 48

Lotto 10-13-2007 5, 18, 23, 35, 40, 44

Lotto 10-15-2007 15, 24, 27, 31, 32, 49

Lotto 10-18-2007 14, 15, 16, 19, 25, 31

Lotto 10-20-2007 2, 8, 27, 38, 43, 44

Lotto 10-22-2007 21, 28, 32, 33, 35, 36

Lotto 10-25-2007 6, 11, 19, 34, 45, 48

Lotto 10-27-2007 3, 12, 30, 33, 35, 44 no match

Lotto 10-29-2007 11, 12, 27, 31, 35, 47

Lotto 11-02-2007 14, 18, 25, 27, 39, 48

Lotto 11-04-2007 11, 14, 22, 30, 44, 47

Lotto 11-06-2007 14, 19, 26, 39, 44, 49

Lotto 11-09-2007 10, 12, 15, 18, 34, 45

Lotto 11-11-2007 8, 10, 15, 25, 43, 47

Lotto 11-14-2007 14, 25, 28, 31, 41, 45

Lotto 11-17-2007 11, 26, 30, 38, 42, 49

Lotto 11-20-2007 14, 16, 29, 35, 36, 39

IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ?

It's a NanoLike World!

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 Posted: December 20, 2007, 6:47 am - IP Logged

Clearer patterns in Pick3 & 4

Have'nt studied Pick5 yet

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Every thing about those drawings are random, even the days of the drawings, they are different for each month.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Maybe we should start off by defining what Random is!

A sequence of digits from the set (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) can be considered Random if and only if, given any digit in the sequence, their exists no way to predict the next one.

In order for a sequence of digits to be Random, their must exist no algorithm capable of generating the next digit in a sequence, on the basis of the digits already generated in that sequence.

A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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There are patterns in randomness.  For unknown reasons numbers move in circles, traveling with each other.  There's no explaination.  Just is.

Want to know what the patterns are - pay attention.

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<Moved to Lottery Discussion forum>

Please post in the appropriate forum ... thank you.

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nanolike

With the number of lotteries that exist and the internet anyone could just about come up with any theory and keep "data mining" until it appeared they have found results that 'prove' their theory, but in the long run the lottery is random.

It's designed to be random and if anything ever happens where someone does "break the code" and beat a game consistently that game will simply be withdrawn and no longer available. However, nothing even close to that has happened yet (other than the Virginia lottery being hit by team play which changed some terminal procedures).

Think about this- going all the way back to the financing of the Great Wall of China with Keno (the original tickets were 80 characters from the Chinese alphabet, not numbers), these games were puit together before slide rules, before calculators, before computers, and still they exist, as strong as mustard gas.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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There are patterns in randomness.  For unknown reasons numbers move in circles, traveling with each other.  There's no explaination.  Just is.

Want to know what the patterns are - pay attention.

You took the words right out of mouth.

In about the past 6 or 7 years, I've been fortunate enough to find that the old school of thought is no longer the truth, or atleast conceived to be in today's contemporary insiders like me...lol No...but really, I've stumbled upon a select few who explained a different view of chaos and it's behaviors.

Chaos 101: Studies of basic random computer programs placing a random dot on a sheet of paper were tested, and the results was a fuzzy shape of a snow flake. The dot placing took about an hour with speed. So yes, It's already been proven that chaos has patterns.

101.3: One of the stumblings was a report I bought for 80 bucks by a person named "Koycerin", and hence the title of the report.."The Koycerin method of betting". Don't worry about spamming Todd....this person cannot even be found on the internet. To say the least, at first I couldn't understand  past the basics of it. But kept reading it over and over.

He's basically saying that the old school way of thinking chaos without applying any sort of patterns needs to be corrected. He claims, which to me makes sense, that a 50/50 chance has run ins with what he calls "RND", Random Number Displacement. In other words....If you bet on black or red, and black and red play out about even times, and then something strange happens. Red hits twice now, and now 3 times.....RND is taking place. He now teaches how to bet accordingly.

The basic theory of his is that if you toss a coin only once in your lifetime, or shoot a hoop once, or bet on p-3 only once in your entire life time, then YES it has a 50/50 chance, HOWEVER....If you continue to keep betting, something very strange starts to happen. There is a tendency for the universe to want a level playing field eventually right? YES!

If I tossed a coin 10 times and it was heads, what would your next bet be? C'mon....You're not going to tell me that In college i was taught that the eleventh toss has a the same chance from the first?

HONESTLY...WHAT WOULD YOU BET ON THE ELEVENTH ?TOSS?

There are proffesional slot players who rake it in watching for the patterns mentioned above.

It doesen't matter what 50/50 betting game you apply this to. The games with more than a 50/50 needs a complicated program, but it can be done.

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I think all drawings are random up to a point. I think however, that certain computerized drawings are fixed, so they are "less" random.

"No one remembers the person who almost climbed the mountain, only the person who eventually gets to the top."

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Google already knows about the numbers you used in the post, but can't find any other results for the strings you used, from alottery or anywhere else. Until you tell us where the numbers came from all I see is a delusion, a bunch of made up BS, and good evidence that somebody doesn't have a clue about probability.

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I deleted my original reply because I said I agree with Tenaj.  Then I agreed with Coin Toss.  Then I agreed with Pac.

Guess I am having random changes of thought!

I think there are patterns, but no definites.  If you ever studied Meteorology, you know that it's based on physics. Predicting the weather isn't random. But when Hurricane Charley was headed straight for us, it took a sudden turn and headed toward Tampa.  Then it made a sharp right and devastated Punta Gorda which is 100 miles south of Tampa.  Hurricane Wilma was supposed to hit Naples (it did) but then headed over to the East Coast and pounded Palm Beach County which was unexpected. So take the balls blowing around like a weather pattern.  Although the lottery isn't a science like studying the weather, even if it were, just a fraction of a second changes whatever pattern there was, if any.  I've said before that if people follow patterns maybe it's possible to lose a little less over time. But the exceptions will always be those that blow everything out of the water.

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Google already knows about the numbers you used in the post, but can't find any other results for the strings you used, from alottery or anywhere else. Until you tell us where the numbers came from all I see is a delusion, a bunch of made up BS, and good evidence that somebody doesn't have a clue about probability.

I admire your tenacity and knowledge, but the title of the thread is a valid one, whether the data he presented is flase or not.

The author raises a good question regrading Randomness in general.

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I deleted my original reply because I said I agree with Tenaj.  Then I agreed with Coin Toss.  Then I agreed with Pac.

Guess I am having random changes of thought!

I think there are patterns, but no definites.  If you ever studied Meteorology, you know that it's based on physics. Predicting the weather isn't random. But when Hurricane Charley was headed straight for us, it took a sudden turn and headed toward Tampa.  Then it made a sharp right and devastated Punta Gorda which is 100 miles south of Tampa.  Hurricane Wilma was supposed to hit Naples (it did) but then headed over to the East Coast and pounded Palm Beach County which was unexpected. So take the balls blowing around like a weather pattern.  Although the lottery isn't a science like studying the weather, even if it were, just a fraction of a second changes whatever pattern there was, if any.  I've said before that if people follow patterns maybe it's possible to lose a little less over time. But the exceptions will always be those that blow everything out of the water.

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Whether or not the lottery is random is definitely a good question, but how good are the answers being offered? If I ask you if you think my roast beef sandwich is rotten and then wave a pile of BS under your nose, is it meaningful when you tell me, "Why, yes, that smells absolutely terrible"?

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Whether or not the lottery is random is definitely a good question, but how good are the answers being offered? If I ask you if you think my roast beef sandwich is rotten and then wave a pile of BS under your nose, is it meaningful when you tell me, "Why, yes, that smells absolutely terrible"?

I can't answer you, because mine doesn't stink.    You will probably really come up with some more colorful posts when I tell you that pre-tests throw off the randomness of the drawings, in my opinion.  If people think "what will be will be" and then human interference says "nope, not that one and that one" then how can anyone here use a system that chooses the next number when you don't know what next is.  If the FL Lottery, for example, has 5 pre-tests before the televised drawing and you have a list of combinations, then wouldn't it make sense to cross out 5 of them too?

(this time make it a peanut butter and banana sandwich on whole wheat with honey.  I don't eat roast beef.)

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