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IS IT RANDOM OR NOT! ? This is the question ?

Absolutely random [ 25 ]  [40.32%]
Not random. [ 12 ]  [19.35%]
Something fishy going on? [ 14 ]  [22.58%]
These two lotteries are working together its fixed [ 4 ]  [6.45%]
Not Sure? [ 7 ]  [11.29%]
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Posted: December 21, 2007, 3:32 am - IP Logged

Whether or not the lottery is random is definitely a good question, but how good are the answers being offered? If I ask you if you think my roast beef sandwich is rotten and then wave a pile of BS under your nose, is it meaningful when you tell me, "Why, yes, that smells absolutely terrible"?

That's like saying....on paper that mathematically, a bee can't fly. So just because another area of the subject might not warrant just cause, dosen't mean the underline is somehow invalid or incomplete.

The author's lack of attention to detail in one or two areas does not define where the integrity lies . To me...the mere statement in the thread title tells my gut feeling that this was not some misinformed scam with an agenda.

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    Raven, Exactly and so it is Raven you have proven the point that this lottery, for if it were random I could not deternmine that one to three of the numbers that will show will be one to three  of the 6 numbers given in the first lottery. Random means without pattern or boundrys without a fixed goal. caios, no way to tell what might happen, where all numbers have equal probability, if anyone takes a look they will definiately see a clear pattern so clear one would have to be blind not to see it!  Random means With no way to determine which number/numbers might show. We'll that definitely is not the case here. I have had so much fun with this, I have actually went into website forums on other websites and posted the numbers to show and were right everytime, But then I was flagged from the site, but got emails back saying how did i know? Anyone with an ability to see, can look at the first lottery and determine 1 to 3 of the 6 digits from the 1st drawing that will show in the second.

    Just look at the 1st drawing and you know the outcome of the second. I'm not saying that you could get all 6 but, I get 3 numbers or more right almost everytime, I dont recall a time where I have not gotten three numbers right consistantly in over 5 years of playing on a consistant basis.

    It is so easy that its like taking candy from a baby!

    I mean the results are so predictable its not even funny. I have showed a couple people the pattern and immediately they go out and win 3 numbers right! And say before you showed me this I never won anything.  I mean it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see the pattern!

    It's a NanoLike World!

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      Posted: December 21, 2007, 4:37 am - IP Logged

      I admire your tenacity and knowledge, but the title of the thread is a valid one, whether the data he presented is flase or not.

      The author raises a good question regrading Randomness in general.

      I appreciate you sticking up for me. This is no scam, the pattern is real in its integrity. The pattern does exist, but only the names have been changed to protect the INNOCENT,

      Truth be told, there has never been a more predictable lottery. In fact to look at the 2nd drawing and compare it to the first and not see the pattern one would have to be blind.

      To be close minded is a sure way of not seeing the pattern or using it to win or increase ones advantage over others.

      To come against such a pattern is almost close to saying, night and day dont follow one another. I love the people like the professor and his students who have an open mind to check things out before they completly elliminate the opportunity that something doesnt smell right.

      Again appreciate the pat on the back!

      It's a NanoLike World!

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        Posted: December 21, 2007, 4:54 am - IP Logged

        Every thing about those drawings are random, even the days of the drawings, they are different for each month.

        I suppose you would also trust that if you walked into a room, where someone had just thrown 6 silver dollars into the air and they were marked 1 thr 6 and number 1-3-4  all landed on their side instead of laying flat that you would believe those silver dollars actually landed on their side like that. Ok I suppose it could happen. Maybe you have some validity.

         

        O by the way, walk over here to this other room with me cause 6 other silver dollars where thrown into the air in this other room here, and guess what? Number 1-3-4 all landed on their side too. Just like the first set.

        Ok I can see how one might believe that this could happen. Its posible.

        The next day 6 more coins were thrown into the air and number 5-6 landed on their side. Guess what in the other room, you got it 5-6 landed on their side too.

        O and the next day number 4 landed on its side when the 6 coins where thrown into the air.

        My goodness lookie there, in this other room coin 4 also landed on its side.

        And then the next day number 1-3-5 landed on their side and in the other room coins 1-3 -5 also landed on their side.

        And the next day 6 coins where thrown into the air hit the floor and number 5-6 landed on their side and once again coins 5 and 6 in the other room landed perfectly on their side.

        and then the next day coins 3-6 in both rooms landed on their sides.

        and then the next day coin 1 landed on its side in both rooms,

        then coin 3 in both rooms

        and then coins 2-3-4-6 landed on their side and low and behold my gosh coins 2-3-4-6 also in the 2nd room,

        wow one might almost be able to predict which numbers might show by looking at room 1 first.

        Yeah theirs a bright idea! And then it happened twenty more times in a row without a flaw. Yeah thats random alright! In your dreams! In a perfect world maybe! 

        But if you want to trust that its random, thats your perogitive!

        Good luck!

        I think I'll keep trusting room 2 is going to match room 1.

        Maybe you should take another look at the two drawings again.

        It's a NanoLike World!

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          Tenaj, I agree 100% BUT in two completely different lotteries. yes patterns do occur in one lottery and these pattens are simple to see if one is looking for them

          but imagine seeing the same exact pattern in a completely different lottery mimicking the 1st lottery. Wow those are some pretty big odds?

          So would you believe it were random if I showed you a 3rd pattern mimicking the 1st and 2nd lottery?

          How many lotteries with the exact same pattern would it take to convince one that it is not random?

          1 more

          2 more

          3

          10?

          Dont even tell me you would believe it were random if ten completely different lotteries produced the same exact pattern?

          You would never trust that in any other form of life.

          I would hope someone could show me anywhere in the world any other thing where one arrives at the same exact pattern.

          Imagine watchng a television show where two trees were filmed and their leaves where numbered where their leaves fell of in the exact same pattern from falling off the tree.

          That would be a site to see. 

          Just concider my two lotteries those two tree!

          It's a NanoLike World!

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            I think all drawings are random up to a point. I think however, that certain computerized drawings are fixed, so they are "less" random.

            ThatScaryChick wins Best answer!

             

            Yes Exactly, how can something be random if it were designed by someone.  Someone designed it to behave in a certain FIXED way! Even if they say it isnt fixed iT STILL IS!

            Now wouldnt it be something if one lottery was using a computerized drawing system and another were using ping pong balls and both got the same exact pattern.

            Now that would be something!

            It's a NanoLike World!

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              nanolike

              With the number of lotteries that exist and the internet anyone could just about come up with any theory and keep "data mining" until it appeared they have found results that 'prove' their theory, but in the long run the lottery is random.

              It's designed to be random and if anything ever happens where someone does "break the code" and beat a game consistently that game will simply be withdrawn and no longer available. However, nothing even close to that has happened yet (other than the Virginia lottery being hit by team play which changed some terminal procedures). 

              Think about this- going all the way back to the financing of the Great Wall of China with Keno (the original tickets were 80 characters from the Chinese alphabet, not numbers), these games were puit together before slide rules, before calculators, before computers, and still they exist, as strong as mustard gas.

              Coin Toss, your arguement holds no weight!

              First off you may be under the impression that I am piecing my two drawings together looking for matches as I see fit! Or using numbers from several different lottery drawings. I am not, only two. Drawing 1 and Drawing 2. From two diffeent lotteries only!

              As far as your comment "anyone could just about come up with any theory and keep data mining until it appeared they have found results that prove their theory" Really DO IT THEN! I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is!

              First off understand something here. I am not fishing for patterns. The pattern which I have laid out in the two lotteries is a CONSISTANT thing, it never stops it keeps going on and on, its been going on for years. I challenge you or  ANYONE to find any two lotteries anywhere on this planet that have the same-like pattern occuring. I CHALLENGE everyone on Lottery Post to put your money where your mouth is!

              If you think the pattern is random, prove their is another lottery doing the same.

              Show me 2 lottery drawings which have the same occurance, If its random it must be occuring everywhere in many drawings if it random, since all the drawings in the world are random governed by its country. There must be another but simply dont make bold statements such as THE LOTTERY IS RANDOM, if you have no proof to back it up!

               I am saying that these two lottery drawings prove it is not random! And you clain it is random by your words only with no proof that is random.

              If so we should see this type of pattern everywhere not just in two drawings somewhere in the world. So show me 2 more drawings anywhere in the world from any section of date from any years where one lottery occures and the next drawing follows the 1st and produces the same exact pattern.

              And your case for randomness will be founded on something other than YOUR own say so.

              I brought proof, what did you bering nothing but your opinion!

              Just because you say its random doesnt make it so!

              3rdly Coin-Toss I am not just speaking to you but everyone who claims the lottery is random with no proof! You and everyone else who brings no proof are completely double talking, listen to your own words. And remember RANDOM means WITHOUT DESIGN!

              Your words coin toss are" refering to the lottery drawing you say "it's DESIGNED to be random" how silly is that! How the hell do you DESIGN something to be something that it is  not!

              Have we let these people fool us! At least Todd has a petition against computerized drawing! I wonder why?

              It is either random or its not! PERIOD.

              Now Here would be a more random drawing, place 49 holes or plastic rings under an big oak tree, as the wind blows or time allows leaves fall off of the tree they will fall to the ground eventually 6 leaves will fall where 49 rings are placed under the tree individual leaves will fall into 6 of the 49 holes or rings all numbered 1-49.

              A camera would be set up to record this event and shown live just like when we watch a live football game the film would be watched by everyone. No closed doors no one to trust only a camera a tree and some wind! People would buy tickets and who ever picked the 6 holes or rings the leaf fell into wins the jackpot!

              This game would be called MONEYTREE!

               As silly as my illistration appears and as much as I know it most likely is not practical it would not be by design of a computer programer and would not be behind closed doors it wold be random other than some holes or rings on the ground at the bottom of the tree. Thats it!

              The lottery would be based on mothernature not some organization conducting what they call a random event behind closed doors where you must take their word on it!

              Coin-Toss your own words bite back at you, you say ITS DESIGND TO BE RANDOM!

              If its designed its not random.

              Random Is without design,

              Now dont get me wrong I realize that placing 49 rings under  a tree also would be somewhat by design yet no one created a software program that selects the winning numbers.

              Another way might be to set up a glass see-through booth and have someone step inside and grab 6 dollar bills and place them into a belt. When six dollar bills were grabed they would step out of the booth, those dollars bills notes would have a seriel number on them, that seriel number on the note matches a number on a chart 1 through 49. This is how they do it on game shows where someone steps into the booth and grabs money flying around, Thats random! Because the person would have no idea which seriel numbers matched the 1 through 49 numbers on the chart.

              And its hard to catch a dollar, if you dont believe me have a friend hold a dollar in the air right between your thumb and index finger and let go of the bill, you try and grab it! Not easy to do. Having wind blowing the dollars around makes it very difficult to predict which dollar you might grab and not knowing which seriel numbersgoes with which numbers on the chart makes it random.

              But having a machine draw numbers that has been DESIGNED to behave in a random way thatwas programed by a software developer is so far away from being random its pathetic!

              No more random than a search engine that brings up a word you search for.

              So the lottery is not random occording to my 2 drawings. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

              What we've all done is simply accepted one way of conducting a lottery instead of being imaginative! Each country, or state could do it their own way! Its their lottery drawing! They dont all have to be the same.

              We could all make it fun as long as it is random as I have laid out here.

              But for you to say the lottery is random the way it is conducted now is a lie!

              Therfor to claim any lottery of today is random is a lie!

              Which is my point!

              But you claimed it was random, and it is not occording to the definition!

              The lottery is not random. It is a FIXED GAME, it is DESIGNED to look random would be a better way of saying it.

              Now for my two drawings, I have showed an unbelievable pattern, A pattern mind you which I again challenge ANYONE ON LOTTERY POST tO show me another pattern as I have laid out, and remember my pattern is NOT CLOSE as Coin-toss suggested it was like in horse-shoes. Mine is EXACT!

              Each drawing occured directly after the other! Dont let the dates fool you, Each drawing is directly after the other not ten days after or befere. Not another draw in between, not 2 days after then the next drawing 11 days after as if I were trying to find a pattern.

              The 1st drawing occurs on its scheduled date and right after the 2nd occurs right after the 1st drawing. EACH LINE in my drawings stay true to its scheduled date never faulering.

              check it again.

              You will find if you look at the dates in the first that they occure before each drawing occured in the 2nd not after in some and then before in others!

              It is the most absolute prove the world has ever seen of a lottery being rigged! And you all think its random.

               

              Coin Toss I am only making a pOINT a serious one! The best point anyone has ever made on this site!

              O understand I was longwinded but Again I challenge anyone on this site or looking at this site to find a same-like pattern in any two lottery drawings!

              I'll be waiting!

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                nanolike

                "As far as your comment "anyone could just about come up with any theory and keep data mining until it appeared they have found results that prove their theory" Really DO IT THEN! I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is!"

                Well first off, you're the one with the theory, not me. I'm saying it's random.

                Secondly, I do "put my mpney where my mouth is", $1 or $2 at a time, and that's all, because I do believe it's random.

                On one of the threads here it's been pointed out that your numbers will hit (if you stick with the same numbers) - it just takes 483 years to happen, and that's about as "non-random" as it gets.

                Tell you what nano, put your money where your mouth is, hit a jackpot and then tell us all about your theory. Tell then you're just one of many peeing right into a floor fan.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  That's like saying....on paper that mathematically, a bee can't fly. So just because another area of the subject might not warrant just cause, dosen't mean the underline is somehow invalid or incomplete.

                  The author's lack of attention to detail in one or two areas does not define where the integrity lies . To me...the mere statement in the thread title tells my gut feeling that this was not some misinformed scam with an agenda.

                  Heh, my old signature line. Wink

                  Anyway, it looks like nano may have found a p6 version of 'followers' or whatever the p3 & p4 players are calling it, these days. 

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                    SmileyThere are patterns in randomness.  For unknown reasons numbers move in circles, traveling with each other.  There's no explaination.  Just is.

                    Want to know what the patterns are - pay attention. 

                    I Agree!       Excellet point!  Events like that were referred to as number affinities in long since out of print Lotto World Magazine articles. 

                    They happen, no one knows why and no one can control them. 

                    Also have to agree with ThatScaryChick random, but not random if computer drawn.  Waaaaay too much room for Geek-Tweak (my term) using computer draw. 

                    Using computer draw lotteries figuratively in science fiction land have the option of having drawings "adjusted" to show whatever level of income their books need for a given time period.  In that same science fiction land a sharp coder can have a trigger erase itself or show up as something else once it's set off.  Just speculation of course.  Roll Eyes

                    Good luck to everyone!

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                      I beleive lotto officials look close to see if pattens start to emerge. When they do, it calls for action to make the lottery random once more. I think that they change balls and machines constantly to avoid patterns to try and make it as random as possible again. I used to create charts on graph paper, months worth of them, to try and find patterns and everytime I saw a pattern forming, the next days drawing was totally ascued from what should have happened, even though past patterns showing similar results would prove me right. The eye in the sky is watching the lotto (aka ..lotto officials and their mathematicians/numerologists and what not) and will do everything in their power to keep the odds in their favor. This is just what I believe and not pointing any fingers because its just speculation. Just how I feel, that' all and is just my opinion. I've seen it happen over and over again to sense that something is just not right which is why I'm onto a new way of picking numbers NOT based on patterns(PATTERN ARE PREDICTABLE- and the lotto knows this)... but I will never post this new way of picking my numbers because they are reading this now..Oh God ... have I become that paranoid! LOL .. obladee oblada.. life goes ooo-oon... heh. I'll be taking more money from the lotto now, Thank you ! KA-CHING! ... ROFL

                      And now for a quick joke...

                       

                      A man bursts into his house and yells, "Pack your bags, Honey, I just won the lottery!"

                      She says, "Oh, wonderful! Should I pack for the beach or for the mountains?"

                      He replies, "I don't care ... Just get the hell out!"

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                        Is reality random? Likewise, is the lottery.

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                          nanolike

                          You told us:

                          "Coin Toss I am only making a pOINT a serious one! The best point anyone has ever made on this site!"

                          That's pretty strong, arrogant, and boastful for someone who has been here all of three or four months and has all of 53 posts.

                          "When you gotta shoot, shoot, don't talk"

                          - Ely Wallach as Paco, The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly

                          (In other words, hit a jackpot, then expound...) 

                          The best "point" ever made on this site was an avatar that a member known as Rip Snorter had for a while, it was an animated depction of Sissyphus, and there is no better description of the lottery.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            Remember, there are people who can see into the future(psychics, prophets, e.t.c). Consider that when pondering the "randomness" of the lottery.

                            I've known people who could dream a 3 or 4 digit combination and shortly afterwards, it would fall. If the lottery was truly random, how could they dream what the winning combination would be?

                            Scientists are already working on a time machine. The past, present, and the future are cosmically linked.

                            http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94.379/16398_timemachine.html

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                              It is my belief that thought can travel faster than the speed of light, which is why some people can glimpse into the future and "see" or dream the winning numbers in the lottery. Conehead

                              Photons (light particles) are met with resistance as they travel through the universe and enter earth's atmosphere.

                              There is no such resistance on thought.